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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:36:23 +0100, Christian Smith
<christian.DeleteThis@smith.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:33:43 GMT,"Kenneth M. Lin"
><kenneth_m_lin.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>
>>When Rogue didn't absorb anyone's power at all for several years starting
>>from Jim Lee's X-Men #1? Was there a reason or was it because the new
>>writers weren't familiar with her power?
>>
>because "nigh-invulnerable" flying powerhouse (ahhh the good old
>days!) is far more visually interesting to draw? (remember that we are
>talking the Image lot here!)
>

I do miss those days...her power absorbing ability is interesting too
but I think they've taken that a bit too far in recent years and
sometimes you just want to see a hot chick in spandex fly up and knock
someone through a wall.
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:54:13 -0500,grinningdemon
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>On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:36:23 +0100, Christian Smith
><christian.RemoveThis@smith.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:33:43 GMT,"Kenneth M. Lin"
>><kenneth_m_lin.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>
>>>When Rogue didn't absorb anyone's power at all for several years starting
>>>from Jim Lee's X-Men #1? Was there a reason or was it because the new
>>>writers weren't familiar with her power?
>>>
>>because "nigh-invulnerable" flying powerhouse (ahhh the good old
>>days!) is far more visually interesting to draw? (remember that we are
>>talking the Image lot here!)
>>
>
>I do miss those days...her power absorbing ability is interesting too
>but I think they've taken that a bit too far in recent years and
>sometimes you just want to see a hot chick in spandex fly up and knock
>someone through a wall.

Exactly!!!!

Christian
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On Jul 17, 12:33 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin" <kenneth_m_....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> When Rogue didn't absorb anyone's power at all for several years starting
> from Jim Lee's X-Men #1? Was there a reason or was it because the new
> writers weren't familiar with her power?

Just my opinion but Rogue's powers were painted as a liability and
something that kept her from happiness. Her Miss Marvel powers of
superstrength, flight and invulnerability are classics that can fit
any situation.

So I imagine it just seemed easier to go with the brute force powers
and just show her hating her natural powers.

JLB
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grinningdemon <grinningdemon DeleteThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
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> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:36:23 +0100, Christian Smith
> <christian DeleteThis @smith.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:33:43 GMT,"Kenneth M. Lin"
>><kenneth_m_lin DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>
>>>When Rogue didn't absorb anyone's power at all for several years
>>>starting from Jim Lee's X-Men #1? Was there a reason or was it
>>>because the new writers weren't familiar with her power?
>>>
>>because "nigh-invulnerable" flying powerhouse (ahhh the good old
>>days!) is far more visually interesting to draw? (remember that we are
>>talking the Image lot here!)
>
> I do miss those days...her power absorbing ability is interesting too
> but I think they've taken that a bit too far in recent years and
> sometimes you just want to see a hot chick in spandex fly up and knock
> someone through a wall.

That's why they brougth back Ms. Marvel? If anyone actually finds
her "hot," that is.

At least when Rogue's power absorption became more important, it was
part of her character being made important, rather than what she had
stolen from one other character (who still existed, as well).
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:12:34 GMT, Billy Bissette
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>grinningdemon <grinningdemon.RemoveThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in
>news:947r939urv1ldukgd4uhun8nukefo0ukuq@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:36:23 +0100, Christian Smith
>> <christian.RemoveThis@smith.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:33:43 GMT,"Kenneth M. Lin"
>>><kenneth_m_lin.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>>
>>>>When Rogue didn't absorb anyone's power at all for several years
>>>>starting from Jim Lee's X-Men #1? Was there a reason or was it
>>>>because the new writers weren't familiar with her power?
>>>>
>>>because "nigh-invulnerable" flying powerhouse (ahhh the good old
>>>days!) is far more visually interesting to draw? (remember that we are
>>>talking the Image lot here!)
>>
>> I do miss those days...her power absorbing ability is interesting too
>> but I think they've taken that a bit too far in recent years and
>> sometimes you just want to see a hot chick in spandex fly up and knock
>> someone through a wall.
>
> That's why they brougth back Ms. Marvel? If anyone actually finds
>her "hot," that is.

Ms. Marvel is all well and good...but I want Rogue back too, damnit.

>
> At least when Rogue's power absorption became more important, it was
>part of her character being made important, rather than what she had
>stolen from one other character (who still existed, as well).

Recent years have seen too much focus on her absorbing
powers...usually going out of control and causing problems...which is
one of the major problems I have with the X-Men these days...they're
always dealing with their own problems...we never get any straight up
super hero stories anymore...the early issues of Astonishing X-Men
made big deal about the X-Men getting out in the world and being
heroes and then it just didn't happen at all...even in that series.
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:26:13 -0700, JLB <barnett.DeleteThis@shentel.net> wrote:

>On Jul 17, 12:33 pm, "Kenneth M. Lin" <kenneth_m_....DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net>
>wrote:
>> When Rogue didn't absorb anyone's power at all for several years starting
>> from Jim Lee's X-Men #1? Was there a reason or was it because the new
>> writers weren't familiar with her power?
>
>Just my opinion but Rogue's powers were painted as a liability and
>something that kept her from happiness. Her Miss Marvel powers of
>superstrength, flight and invulnerability are classics that can fit
>any situation.
>
>So I imagine it just seemed easier to go with the brute force powers
>and just show her hating her natural powers.
>
>JLB

It was certainly much better than her having Sunfire's powers.
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grinningdemon <grinningdemon.TakeThisOut@austin.rr.com> wrote in
news:s0ot93t435pp7kvdfol7v9941kgtdskig5@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:12:34 GMT, Billy Bissette
> <baines.TakeThisOut@coastalnet.com> wrote:

>> At least when Rogue's power absorption became more important, it was
>>part of her character being made important, rather than what she had
>>stolen from one other character (who still existed, as well).
>
> Recent years have seen too much focus on her absorbing
> powers...usually going out of control and causing problems...which is
> one of the major problems I have with the X-Men these days...they're
> always dealing with their own problems...we never get any straight up
> super hero stories anymore...the early issues of Astonishing X-Men
> made big deal about the X-Men getting out in the world and being
> heroes and then it just didn't happen at all...even in that series.

Well, for the moment she isn't absorbing powers, simply because she
will kill anyone she touches...


The thing about her ability is that it is useful. Unless you restrict
it, it makes sense for her to use it. Flying around and punching stuff
wasn't really using her, and you could have just made a mutant that
flew around and punched stuff instead.

Not that she is really taking advantage of shooting fire these days,
other than in the most generic method of blasting near someone or
sometimes blasting an inanimate object.
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On Jul 18, 11:43?pm, Billy Bissette <bai... RemoveThis @coastalnet.com> wrote:
> grinningdemon <grinningde... RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote innews:s0ot93t435pp7kvdfol7v9941kgtdskig5@4ax.com:
>
> > On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:12:34 GMT, Billy Bissette
> > <bai... RemoveThis @coastalnet.com> wrote:
> >> At least when Rogue's power absorption became more important, it was
> >>part of her character being made important, rather than what she had
> >>stolen from one other character (who still existed, as well).
>
> > Recent years have seen too much focus on her absorbing
> > powers...usually going out of control and causing problems...which is
> > one of the major problems I have with the X-Men these days...they're
> > always dealing with their own problems...we never get any straight up
> > super hero stories anymore...the early issues of Astonishing X-Men
> > made big deal about the X-Men getting out in the world and being
> > heroes and then it just didn't happen at all...even in that series.
>
> Well, for the moment she isn't absorbing powers, simply because she
> will kill anyone she touches...
>
> The thing about her ability is that it is useful. Unless you restrict
> it, it makes sense for her to use it. Flying around and punching stuff
> wasn't really using her, and you could have just made a mutant that
> flew around and punched stuff instead.

--I think Rogue's "Ms Marvel" abilities suited her quite well, from a
psychological standpoint. Here's a woman who can't touch anyone. She
can't get close to anyone physically. The psychological strain that's
she's been under has to be intense. But at least with her super
strength she was able to touch things and affect them. She had an
outlet of sorts for her inner turmoil. Sure the writers rarely
touched upon this aspect of her character, but given the fun she had
with those powers, it's always been clear to me that they were Rogues
way of compensating for not being able to touch others.

Tony
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:43:09 GMT, Billy Bissette
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>grinningdemon <grinningdemon RemoveThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in
>news:s0ot93t435pp7kvdfol7v9941kgtdskig5@4ax.com:
>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:12:34 GMT, Billy Bissette
>> <baines RemoveThis @coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
>>> At least when Rogue's power absorption became more important, it was
>>>part of her character being made important, rather than what she had
>>>stolen from one other character (who still existed, as well).
>>
>> Recent years have seen too much focus on her absorbing
>> powers...usually going out of control and causing problems...which is
>> one of the major problems I have with the X-Men these days...they're
>> always dealing with their own problems...we never get any straight up
>> super hero stories anymore...the early issues of Astonishing X-Men
>> made big deal about the X-Men getting out in the world and being
>> heroes and then it just didn't happen at all...even in that series.
>
> Well, for the moment she isn't absorbing powers, simply because she
>will kill anyone she touches...
>
>
> The thing about her ability is that it is useful. Unless you restrict
>it, it makes sense for her to use it. Flying around and punching stuff
>wasn't really using her, and you could have just made a mutant that
>flew around and punched stuff instead.

But it's never been practical for her to use because of the
personality that comes along with the powers...the only place she's
ever been able to consistently use her absorbing powers in a useful
manner was in the X-Men Evolution cartoon.

>
> Not that she is really taking advantage of shooting fire these days,
>other than in the most generic method of blasting near someone or
>sometimes blasting an inanimate object.
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