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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:50 pm
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I recently started playing Vanguard: Saga of Heroes and was instantly
reminded of Rays works because there s Riftmagic in Telon (the world of
Vanguard). I know that rift is a common enought word so it shouldn't be a
surprise that other people use it for their own works but I had to wonder
how much that had happend..
I know of a RPG named Rifts (http://www.palladiumbooks.com/WhatIsRifts.html)
from Palladium Books but that's it. I don't know any more novells or RPG
where Rifts play such an important role as in Rays works and now in
Vanguard. Is it posssible that the makers of Vanguard are Feist-fans ?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:19 pm
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Any game or novel which includes multiple 'dimensions' within its conceptual
basis sooner or later also includes unstable or accidental portals between
those realms, which have the generic term 'rifts'. I have seen the term used
in AD&D, Travellor, Space Opera, Champions, Pulp hero, 7th Sea, GURPS,
Rifts, Stargate, Babylon 5, TORG, and Slayers, and that's just off the top
of my head.
Mike
"Stefan Immel" <stefan.DeleteThis@starocotes.de> wrote in message
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> I recently started playing Vanguard: Saga of Heroes and was instantly
> reminded of Rays works because there s Riftmagic in Telon (the world of
> Vanguard). I know that rift is a common enought word so it shouldn't be a
> surprise that other people use it for their own works but I had to wonder
> how much that had happend..
>
> I know of a RPG named Rifts
(http://www.palladiumbooks.com/WhatIsRifts.html)
> from Palladium Books but that's it. I don't know any more novells or RPG
> where Rifts play such an important role as in Rays works and now in
> Vanguard. Is it posssible that the makers of Vanguard are Feist-fans ?
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> Regards
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> Stefan "Starocotes" Immel
> Level 10 Druid on Gelenia
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:19 pm
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In article <FSnyh.4226$sd2.1904@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Mike Bourke" <mbou3355 RemoveThis @bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Any game or novel which includes multiple 'dimensions' within its conceptual
> basis sooner or later also includes unstable or accidental portals between
> those realms, which have the generic term 'rifts'. I have seen the term used
> in AD&D, Travellor, Space Opera, Champions, Pulp hero, 7th Sea, GURPS,
> Rifts, Stargate, Babylon 5, TORG, and Slayers, and that's just off the top
> of my head.
>
> Mike
>
For the more anal retentive among you. I was the first one to use it in
a fantasy novel, but the concept certainly didn't originate with me.
Things like Poul Anderson's Operation Chaos and Midsummer's Tempest, one
of Bertie Chandler's Commodore Grimes books, and others have used the
"tear in the fabric of space/time" concept before I got out of high
school. As rift means "tear" among other things, I used it just because
I was tired of reading about a "rip in space/time" or "tear in
space/time."
One note of amusement: Byron Pruess was told by the Rifts game people
that he couldn't do the Stan Lee series "Riftworld," and asked me if it
was OK to use my name in his response letter. I put it simply, "Hey,
guys; I didn't sue you, so don't try to sue Stan." That was the end of
that.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:38 am
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:38 am
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In article <o6gos25cnihfhij5e0o9ftd1ka8vf6aa1n.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
Guig <yerawsittin.DeleteThis@hame.jistnoo> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:48:49 -0800, Raymond Feist
> <raymond.DeleteThis@nospam.bittersea.com> wrote:
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> >For the more anal retentive among you. I was the first one to use it in
> >a fantasy novel, but the concept certainly didn't originate with me.
> >Things like Poul Anderson's Operation Chaos and Midsummer's Tempest, one
> >of Bertie Chandler's Commodore Grimes books, and others have used the
> >"tear in the fabric of space/time" concept before I got out of high
> >school. As rift means "tear" among other things, I used it just because
> >I was tired of reading about a "rip in space/time" or "tear in
> >space/time."
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>
> And Michael Moorcock had his concept of the "Multiverse", been a while
> since I read them so a bit hazy now, but IIRC there were a few
> characters who moved between them, not always at their own volition.
Mike did that, especially in the Sailor on the Sea of Fate (I believe
was the title), where he brough Corwin, Coneiuls, Hawkmoon, and Elric
all togehter for one adventure.
Mike just never had a discrete location like a "rift."
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:46 am
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:53 am
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:03 am
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In article <8nsqs2p3i50487bkk3b6m1l8a65eqajlvi.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
Guig <yerawsittin.DeleteThis@hame.jistnoo> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:49:29 -0800, Raymond Feist
> <raymond.DeleteThis@nospam.bittersea.com> wrote:
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> >Mike did that, especially in the Sailor on the Sea of Fate (I believe
> >was the title), where he brough Corwin, Coneiuls, Hawkmoon, and Elric
> >all togehter for one adventure.
>
> Sad anal fact, I used to own every book he had written when I was
> younger (much younger), most of them picked up at second hand shops
> and probably originals. In later years I got rid of them all to create
> space for more books ... if only I had known that in the future there
> would be an auction house on the interpipe. 
If only I had known to buy Berkshire-Hathaway, Sun Microsystems, and
Quaalcom at IPO.
Anyway, Michael Moorcock came out of that "angry young writer" tradition
in England in the 1960's along with Norman Spinrad (who wasn't English,
but was there a lot), Michael Butterworth, and a couple of others.
Really good, innovative stuff. His Eternal Champion concepts were and
still are fresh and original in so many ways relative to traditional
fantasy.
He rejects entirely the "good/evil" paradigm, and is the father of
"law/chaos" in fantasy. He actually despises Tolkien because of much of
this. Me, I'm exploring the nature of "evil as madness," because I
can't make any sense of it, either.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:34 pm
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:10 pm
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"Raymond Feist" <raymond RemoveThis @nospam.bittersea.com> wrote in message
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> In article <o6gos25cnihfhij5e0o9ftd1ka8vf6aa1n RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
> Guig <yerawsittin RemoveThis @hame.jistnoo> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:48:49 -0800, Raymond Feist
>> <raymond RemoveThis @nospam.bittersea.com> wrote:
>>
>> >For the more anal retentive among you. I was the first one to use it in
>> >a fantasy novel, but the concept certainly didn't originate with me.
>> >Things like Poul Anderson's Operation Chaos and Midsummer's Tempest, one
>> >of Bertie Chandler's Commodore Grimes books, and others have used the
>> >"tear in the fabric of space/time" concept before I got out of high
>> >school. As rift means "tear" among other things, I used it just because
>> >I was tired of reading about a "rip in space/time" or "tear in
>> >space/time."
>> >
>>
>> And Michael Moorcock had his concept of the "Multiverse", been a while
>> since I read them so a bit hazy now, but IIRC there were a few
>> characters who moved between them, not always at their own volition.
>
> Mike did that, especially in the Sailor on the Sea of Fate (I believe
> was the title), where he brough Corwin, Coneiuls, Hawkmoon, and Elric
> all togehter for one adventure.
>
> Mike just never had a discrete location like a "rift."
>
> Best, R.E.F.
One thing I liked about Moorcock is that he used the idea of infinite
possibilities very well, and that he would change the nature of a particular
universe to suit the needs of his story-telling. I always got a kick out of
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:10 pm
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In article <qaxii.116613$ia2.105920@fe01.news.easynews.com>,
"bajori" <bajori DeleteThis @cbg.com> wrote:
> "Raymond Feist" <raymond DeleteThis @nospam.bittersea.com> wrote in message
> news:raymond-56F3C3.07492809022007@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu...
> > In article <o6gos25cnihfhij5e0o9ftd1ka8vf6aa1n DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
> > Guig <yerawsittin DeleteThis @hame.jistnoo> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:48:49 -0800, Raymond Feist
> >> <raymond DeleteThis @nospam.bittersea.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >For the more anal retentive among you. I was the first one to use it in
> >> >a fantasy novel, but the concept certainly didn't originate with me.
> >> >Things like Poul Anderson's Operation Chaos and Midsummer's Tempest, one
> >> >of Bertie Chandler's Commodore Grimes books, and others have used the
> >> >"tear in the fabric of space/time" concept before I got out of high
> >> >school. As rift means "tear" among other things, I used it just because
> >> >I was tired of reading about a "rip in space/time" or "tear in
> >> >space/time."
> >> >
> >>
> >> And Michael Moorcock had his concept of the "Multiverse", been a while
> >> since I read them so a bit hazy now, but IIRC there were a few
> >> characters who moved between them, not always at their own volition.
> >
> > Mike did that, especially in the Sailor on the Sea of Fate (I believe
> > was the title), where he brough Corwin, Coneiuls, Hawkmoon, and Elric
> > all togehter for one adventure.
> >
> > Mike just never had a discrete location like a "rift."
> >
> > Best, R.E.F.
>
> One thing I liked about Moorcock is that he used the idea of infinite
> possibilities very well, and that he would change the nature of a particular
> universe to suit the needs of his story-telling. I always got a kick out of
> that.
Marion Bradley was among the worst of it in terms of continuity freaks
obsessions. She'd keep a character alive in the Darkover series because
she liked him, and have character A in his 30's hanging out with the
grandson of someone he hung with in an earlier book. Marion just didn't
care.
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