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(Msg. 16) Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:05 pm
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JRS: In article <VA.00000b8b.0706be6c DeleteThis @validemailaddresstoa.news.group>,
dated Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:00:12 local, seen in news:alt.books.larry-
niven, Aidan Karley <doIlookDAFTenoughTOpost DeleteThis @validEMAILaddressTOa.NEWS.g
roup> posted :
>In article <48m2r1ln62mop8190jclq0f3i3ub5s6o45 DeleteThis @4ax.com>, Darren J
>Longhorn wrote:
>> Did someone ask where the bones are?
>> http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/ks/Kzin2.jpg
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> Hmmm, could that torso twist or bend at all?
> I've always read the descriptions in the books as implying a
>fairly stereotypical tetrapod skeleton with the addition of
>"gastralia", which are common on dinosaurs (I think on theropods rather
>than other dinosaurs, but I'd have to check that).
>
My copy of "Tales of Known Space" (Ballantine, NY, $1.75, 1975 edn) has
a standing Kzin in the inside front cover and a standing Kzin skeleton
on the inside back cover.
The foot, lower leg, and lower arm bones extend past their inboard
joints, and the outboard end of the inboard bone bifurcates for the
joint in each case. There are not two side-by-side limb bones.
There is no spine.
The body skeleton consists of diagonal bones along the surface,
reticulating with four-sided spaces between. Not unlike, I believe, how
a Wimpey was built. The line joining the tops of the arms must remain
parallel to that joining the top of the legs.
The skull mounts at the top of an offset-rearwards pyramid of bones,
bases on bones at top-of-arm level.
These Kzinti are rather unlike those on Baen Books MKW covers.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:49 pm
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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 23:05:20 +0000, Dr John Stockton
<jrs.TakeThisOut@merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>JRS: In article <VA.00000b8b.0706be6c.TakeThisOut@validemailaddresstoa.news.group>,
>dated Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:00:12 local, seen in news:alt.books.larry-
>niven, Aidan Karley <doIlookDAFTenoughTOpost.TakeThisOut@validEMAILaddressTOa.NEWS.g
>roup> posted :
>>In article <48m2r1ln62mop8190jclq0f3i3ub5s6o45.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, Darren J
>>Longhorn wrote:
>>> Did someone ask where the bones are?
>>> http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn/ks/Kzin2.jpg
>>>
>> Hmmm, could that torso twist or bend at all?
>> I've always read the descriptions in the books as implying a
>>fairly stereotypical tetrapod skeleton with the addition of
>>"gastralia", which are common on dinosaurs (I think on theropods rather
>>than other dinosaurs, but I'd have to check that).
>>
>
>My copy of "Tales of Known Space" (Ballantine, NY, $1.75, 1975 edn) has
>a standing Kzin in the inside front cover and a standing Kzin skeleton
>on the inside back cover.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:00 pm
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In article <sXJHJIEwevvDFw6B RemoveThis @merlyn.demon.co.uk>, Dr John Stockton
wrote:
> My copy of "Tales of Known Space" (Ballantine, NY, $1.75, 1975 edn)
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Don't know that one.
> The foot, lower leg, and lower arm bones extend past their inboard
> joints,
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More insertion points for more extensor muscles ...
> and the outboard end of the inboard bone bifurcates for the
> joint in each case.
>
That would make it pretty difficult to dislocate one of those
joints. I can't think of any reason it couldn't develop, but equally I
can't think of any comparable joint structures in known zoology.
> There is no spine.
>
I'm sure this is contradicted in some fight scenes in the canon.
> Not unlike, I believe, how
> a Wimpey was built.
I don't understand this.
> The line joining the tops of the arms must remain
> parallel to that joining the top of the legs.
>
That wouldn't make for a very flexible, agile organism. The only
ability to change attitude would be in the flex in the joints. Since the
elbow/ knee joints don't have much flex as you've just described, you're
restricted to the hip/ shoulder joints. That's a lot of degrees of
freedom gone.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:23 pm
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JRS: In article <VA.00000b9d.0d763082.DeleteThis@validemailaddresstoa.news.group>,
dated Sat, 7 Jan 2006 22:00:03 local, seen in news:alt.books.larry-
niven, Aidan Karley <doIlookDAFTenoughTOpost.DeleteThis@validEMAILaddressTOa.NEWS.g
roup> posted :
>> Not unlike, I believe, how
>> a Wimpey was built.
> I don't understand this.
>
Wimpey : Wellington bomber, fl. 1942-45 IIRC. Geodetic construction.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:00 am
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In article <EaFdK3E$5SwDFw3V@merlyn.demon.co.uk>, Dr John Stockton
wrote:
> Wimpey : Wellington bomber, fl. 1942-45 IIRC. Geodetic construction.
>
Buckminster-ish? I envisage what you're talking about. Never
heard a Wellington called a Wimpey though. Thought that was Popeye's
burger-gulping friend.
Envisaging the cross-hatch construction, I'm remembering a model
I built years ago for generating ellipsoids. Knowing your
predilections, did you ever encounter Cundy and Rollett (where I got
the design for the variable ellipsoid)?
Good grief, it's been re-issued recently :
> Product Details:
> # Paperback 286 pages (July 1997)
> # Publisher: Tarquin Publications
> # Language: English
> # ISBN: 0906212200
>
I agree with the top line of the review on Amazon : "Should be
in every school library!"
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:29 pm
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JRS: In article <VA.00000bae.152f6983.DeleteThis@validemailaddresstoa.news.group>,
dated Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:00:01 local, seen in news:alt.books.larry-
niven, Aidan Karley <doIlookDAFTenoughTOpost.DeleteThis@validEMAILaddressTOa.NEWS.g
roup> posted :
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> Envisaging the cross-hatch construction, I'm remembering a model
>I built years ago for generating ellipsoids. Knowing your
>predilections, did you ever encounter Cundy and Rollett (where I got
>the design for the variable ellipsoid)?
No, but I do recall, after having studied no such geometry for some
while, struggling with a calculation on an ellipsoid. A little later,
seeking other information, I picked up a little book by W H McCrea, and
it opened at the page giving the result I'd wanted for the first
problem; and ISTR telling W H McCrea of that at dinner shortly after.
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