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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:22 am
Post subject: SPOILER (maybe) House of M
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>From the Lying in the Gutters rumor column on Comic Book Resources:
"M PEOPLE
More, well-sourced info on House Of M, to go with the article a few
weeks back.
One of its stated aims is to reduce the Marvel mutant population
drastically - back to the "a few special people" days of early X-Men,
rather than the current "everyone and his second cousin."
So - mass mutant death ahoy."
Hooray! Finally returning the X-Men universe into something more
closely resembling the real world, instead of a fantasy world where
there's a mutant living on every corner.
Note that "more closely" doesn't mean "absolutly".<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:40 pm
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Glennsim <glennsim2004 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >From the Lying in the Gutters rumor column on Comic Book Resources:
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> "M PEOPLE
>
> More, well-sourced info on House Of M, to go with the article a few
> weeks back.
>
> One of its stated aims is to reduce the Marvel mutant population
> drastically - back to the "a few special people" days of early X-Men,
> rather than the current "everyone and his second cousin."
>
> So - mass mutant death ahoy."
>
>
> Hooray! Finally returning the X-Men universe into something more
> closely resembling the real world, instead of a fantasy world where
> there's a mutant living on every corner.
> Note that "more closely" doesn't mean "absolutly".
>
I think it's an atrocious idea. It might sound good in principle, but
they've tried things like this before (Morlock Massacre, Genosha, Legacy
Virus...) and failed. To make mutants something unusual they would need to
kill lots and lots and lots of actual, recurring mutant characters, and I
don't believe Marvel would do that. All the X-Men would be safe and there's
dozens of them, plus all the cool villains, the New Mutants and so on. And
even if they kill most of them and declare that, for example, there are only
100 mutants left on the planet, hidden communities and new characters will
keep popping up. It's just too much of an obstruction to storylines
otherwise.
And even if they succeed in all this, it won't reset the status of mutants
to what it was. The remaining ones will be the survivors of the Big
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:27 pm
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On 24 Jan 2005 07:22:27 -0800, "Glennsim" <glennsim2004 DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>From the Lying in the Gutters rumor column on Comic Book Resources:
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>"M PEOPLE
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>More, well-sourced info on House Of M, to go with the article a few
>weeks back.
>
>One of its stated aims is to reduce the Marvel mutant population
>drastically - back to the "a few special people" days of early X-Men,
>rather than the current "everyone and his second cousin."
>
>So - mass mutant death ahoy."
>
>
>Hooray! Finally returning the X-Men universe into something more
>closely resembling the real world, instead of a fantasy world where
>there's a mutant living on every corner.
>Note that "more closely" doesn't mean "absolutly".
That's going to screw up the District-X title a bit, init?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:40 pm
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"Glennsim" <glennsim2004.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>>From the Lying in the Gutters rumor column on Comic Book Resources:
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> "M PEOPLE
>
> More, well-sourced info on House Of M, to go with the article a few
> weeks back.
>
> One of its stated aims is to reduce the Marvel mutant population
> drastically - back to the "a few special people" days of early X-Men,
> rather than the current "everyone and his second cousin."
>
> So - mass mutant death ahoy."
Blah. Does this mean Xavier's is getting trashed again? "The Cure" in
AXM never could have been written if "House of M" had already been
published. But why have a rich, diverse world when you have have one
that's "special"?
> Hooray! Finally returning the X-Men universe into something more
> closely resembling the real world, instead of a fantasy world where
> there's a mutant living on every corner.
> Note that "more closely" doesn't mean "absolutly".
Eh. Mutants are supposed to be a result of evolution, which is
accelerated at least in part due to radiation or other mutagens in our
environment. IOW, mutants _should_ be living on every corner.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:40 pm
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Lilith <lilith DeleteThis @dcccd.edu> wrote in
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> On 24 Jan 2005 07:22:27 -0800, "Glennsim" <glennsim2004 DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>Hooray! Finally returning the X-Men universe into something more
>>closely resembling the real world, instead of a fantasy world where
>>there's a mutant living on every corner.
>>Note that "more closely" doesn't mean "absolutly".
>
> That's going to screw up the District-X title a bit, init?
Not to mention whatever title spins out of Madrox. But, hey, we get a
big CROSSOVER! And that generates SALES! Why do good stories matter?
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:15 am
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Eh. Mutants are supposed to be a result of evolution, which is
accelerated at least in part due to radiation or other mutagens in our
environment. IOW, mutants _should_ be living on every corner.
Yeah, but there was a time when you generally had to have a
particularly rare set of circumstances (like work around a lot of
radioactive materials) to parent a mutant. Now I'm pretty sure it's
caused by diet sodas. >> Stay informed about: SPOILER (maybe) House of M |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:40 pm
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"Glennsim" <glennsim2004 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in
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>> Eh. Mutants are supposed to be a result of evolution, which is
>> accelerated at least in part due to radiation or other mutagens in
>> our environment. IOW, mutants _should_ be living on every corner.
>
> Yeah, but there was a time when you generally had to have a
> particularly rare set of circumstances (like work around a lot of
> radioactive materials) to parent a mutant. Now I'm pretty sure it's
> caused by diet sodas.
No, it's just accelerating. Things have changed a lot. Cancer, for
example, seems to be on the rise, and that's a mutation. (In fact,
cancer is poised to become the #1 cause of death in the US.) There are
more chemicals in our environment, more hormones in our food, more
sprays "protecting" crops, and more radiation. If you throw superhuman
mutation into the mix, you end up with more mutants. Since all of these
factors have been increasing over the past several decades, more mutants
result. It really _does_ make sense, unless you just don't like change.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:10 pm
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Dan McEwen wrote:
>> Hooray! Finally returning the X-Men universe into something more
>> closely resembling the real world, instead of a fantasy world where
>> there's a mutant living on every corner.
>> Note that "more closely" doesn't mean "absolutly".
>
> Eh. Mutants are supposed to be a result of evolution, which is
> accelerated at least in part due to radiation or other mutagens in
our
> environment. IOW, mutants _should_ be living on every corner.
I disagree. Mutants were cool when there were only a few hundred of
them, at most. These days? Eh... not so much.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:40 pm
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"Dan McEwen" <dannyboymcny DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Lilith <lilith DeleteThis @dcccd.edu> wrote in
> news:2itav01nvgobsaaru7sdg4vi25k0c35mht@4ax.com:
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>> On 24 Jan 2005 07:22:27 -0800, "Glennsim" <glennsim2004 DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
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>>>Hooray! Finally returning the X-Men universe into something more
>>>closely resembling the real world, instead of a fantasy world where
>>>there's a mutant living on every corner.
>>>Note that "more closely" doesn't mean "absolutly".
>>
>> That's going to screw up the District-X title a bit, init?
>
> Not to mention whatever title spins out of Madrox. But, hey, we get a
> big CROSSOVER! And that generates SALES! Why do good stories matter?
>
> --
I guess this would be one more nail in the coffin of Morrison's "more and
more mutants" arc?
The only stuff I had heard about "The House of M" was:
1. Whatever Bendis wants is okay.
2. Hawkeye isn't coming back in that crossover/mini.
3. ALL (non-Ultimate) Marvel books will crossover.
4. Still more Jessica Jones for everybody!
5. Claremont isn't enthusiastic.
Neither Madrox nor District X are doing well in sales. Remember, quality is
meaningless, QUANTITY is the big deal. Every few years, Marvel culls the
mutant herd, both in terms of extra characters and books. Then, like
kudzu, they grow back again.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: SPOILER (maybe) House of M |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:15 am
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Dan McEwen wrote:
> "Glennsim" <glennsim2004.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>Yeah, but there was a time when you generally had to have a
>>particularly rare set of circumstances (like work around a lot of
>>radioactive materials) to parent a mutant. Now I'm pretty sure it's
>>caused by diet sodas.
> No, it's just accelerating. Things have changed a lot. Cancer, for
> example, seems to be on the rise, and that's a mutation. (In fact,
> cancer is poised to become the #1 cause of death in the US.) There are
Cancer for all, or just old people cancer? 'Cause there are a lot more older
folks now than ever before.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:36 am
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While I don't think this is what we'll get, I'd prefer a real cure be
found, but it only works on existing mutants or something. So the ones
who don't want to be mutants can stop being such, and the ones who do
can stay as such. Which still keeps some human/mutant conflict - "are
you saying you think you're better than us humans, such that you wanted
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:07 pm
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~consul wrote:
>>> Yeah, but there was a time when you generally had to have a
>>> particularly rare set of circumstances (like work around a lot of
>>> radioactive materials) to parent a mutant. Now I'm pretty sure it's
>>> caused by diet sodas.
>>
>> No, it's just accelerating. Things have changed a lot. Cancer, for
>> example, seems to be on the rise, and that's a mutation. (In fact,
>> cancer is poised to become the #1 cause of death in the US.) There
are
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> Cancer for all, or just old people cancer? 'Cause there are a lot
more older
> folks now than ever before.
Cancer for all... at least certain types of cancer. Stomach cancer, for
instance, has declined in recent years, thanks to hygiene. Although,
this same hygiene has seemingly led to an increase in esophageal
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:40 pm
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~consul <consul RemoveThis @INVALIDdolphins-cove.com> wrote in
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> Dan McEwen wrote:
>> "Glennsim" <glennsim2004 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>Yeah, but there was a time when you generally had to have a
>>>particularly rare set of circumstances (like work around a lot of
>>>radioactive materials) to parent a mutant. Now I'm pretty sure it's
>>>caused by diet sodas.
>> No, it's just accelerating. Things have changed a lot. Cancer, for
>> example, seems to be on the rise, and that's a mutation. (In fact,
>> cancer is poised to become the #1 cause of death in the US.) There
>> are
>
> Cancer for all, or just old people cancer? 'Cause there are a lot more
> older folks now than ever before.
I don't know. Over the last few years cancer has declined, but it's
still a lot higher than it was a century ago.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:40 pm
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"zildjean" <zildjean DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in
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> Neither Madrox nor District X are doing well in sales. Remember,
> quality is meaningless, QUANTITY is the big deal. Every few years,
> Marvel culls the mutant herd, both in terms of extra characters and
> books. Then, like kudzu, they grow back again.
Madrox didn't do well in sales, but did get acclaim. That could help
when they roll out X-Factor, since it might get some promotion if they
think it will sell.
As far as quality/quantity, it comes down to money. If it's not
producing sales, Marvel just can't afford to publish. I'd love if they
could balance the two, but it seems that most readers want more mindless
entertainment. That's fine, but it leaves those of us who like a little
of both (mindless and the kind that makes you think a bit) out in the
cold.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:40 pm
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"The Black Guardian" <blakgard DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in
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> Dan McEwen wrote:
>>> Hooray! Finally returning the X-Men universe into something more
>>> closely resembling the real world, instead of a fantasy world where
>>> there's a mutant living on every corner.
>>> Note that "more closely" doesn't mean "absolutly".
>>
>> Eh. Mutants are supposed to be a result of evolution, which is
>> accelerated at least in part due to radiation or other mutagens in
> our
>> environment. IOW, mutants _should_ be living on every corner.
>
> I disagree. Mutants were cool when there were only a few hundred of
> them, at most. These days? Eh... not so much.
> That said, I'm really not in favour of "scorched earth" storytelling.
What's cool got to do with it? We're talking about the evolution of a
species. I tend to by the type of person who likes to see the world
grow and change. I never cared much for the stagnation. But I
understand that a lot of people are more comfortable with what they
know.
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