ST book on abolision of money?

In article <7655815q1ceerjogqq8henl5q634jlogdc.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230.TakeThisOut@copper.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 11 May 2005 16:31:56 GMT, "Bo Raxo"
> <invasions_r_us.TakeThisOut@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote:
>
> >The message of Trek seems to be: Don't worry, your housing, food, medicine,
> >and any other needs will
> > be provided by the technology.
>
> You see a very different message in Trek than I do.
>
> >I would suspect most conservatives are aghast at this prospect. Hence their
> >efforts to undermine the funding of schools (vouchers), the teaching of
> >science (creationism), or important research (stem cells).
>
> Non-sequitur

Perhaps. However, I still wonder why anybody in TNG bothers to do
anything except lie around and eat pre-peeled grapes. There is no
economic competition; there is no money; and no one wants for anything,
as energy is freely available and virtually anything can be made by
replicator. It is clearly a decadent society.

It may be that people in Starfleet are sociopathic, with a psychotic
need for adventure and danger.
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Dr. Personality wrote:

> Perhaps. However, I still wonder why anybody in TNG bothers to do
> anything except lie around and eat pre-peeled grapes.

Vanity. They all want to think they are good for something.
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"Dr. Personality" <affable DeleteThis @no.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <7655815q1ceerjogqq8henl5q634jlogdc DeleteThis @4ax.com>, George Peatty
> <pttyg47-1230 DeleteThis @copper.net> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 11 May 2005 16:31:56 GMT, "Bo Raxo"
> > <invasions_r_us DeleteThis @thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote:
> >
> > >The message of Trek seems to be: Don't worry, your housing, food,
medicine,
> > >and any other needs will
> > > be provided by the technology.
> >
> > You see a very different message in Trek than I do.
> >
> > >I would suspect most conservatives are aghast at this prospect. Hence
their
> > >efforts to undermine the funding of schools (vouchers), the teaching of
> > >science (creationism), or important research (stem cells).
> >
> > Non-sequitur
>
> Perhaps. However, I still wonder why anybody in TNG bothers to do
> anything except lie around and eat pre-peeled grapes. There is no
> economic competition; there is no money; and no one wants for anything,
> as energy is freely available and virtually anything can be made by
> replicator. It is clearly a decadent society.
>
> It may be that people in Starfleet are sociopathic, with a psychotic
> need for adventure and danger.

Perhaps they join the military to escape the tedium, to meet hot alien
chicks in revealing chiffon costumes, and to meet new life, new
civilisations, and fire phasers at them

Ian
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"Dr. Personality" <affable.RemoveThis@no.com.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> Perhaps. However, I still wonder why anybody in TNG bothers to do
> anything except lie around and eat pre-peeled grapes. There is no
> economic competition; there is no money; and no one wants for anything,
> as energy is freely available and virtually anything can be made by
> replicator. It is clearly a decadent society.


As I said earlier in the thread, perhaps that's just what 99.9% do. But
with a population of hundreds of billions, one tenth of one percent is
enough to make up Starfleet, the Maquis, Section 31, and plenty of other
entertaining little groups.

>
> It may be that people in Starfleet are sociopathic, with a psychotic
> need for adventure and danger.

You misunderstand anti-social personality disorder. Look up those big words
before you use then, "Dr".


Bo Raxo
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In article <%JCge.5436$r7.3623@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Bo
Raxo <invasions_r_us DeleteThis @thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote:

> "Dr. Personality" <affable DeleteThis @no.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:110520052139321352%affable@no.com.invalid...
> >
> > Perhaps. However, I still wonder why anybody in TNG bothers to do
> > anything except lie around and eat pre-peeled grapes. There is no
> > economic competition; there is no money; and no one wants for anything,
> > as energy is freely available and virtually anything can be made by
> > replicator. It is clearly a decadent society.
>
>
> As I said earlier in the thread, perhaps that's just what 99.9% do. But
> with a population of hundreds of billions, one tenth of one percent is
> enough to make up Starfleet, the Maquis, Section 31, and plenty of other
> entertaining little groups.
>
> >
> > It may be that people in Starfleet are sociopathic, with a psychotic
> > need for adventure and danger.
>
> You misunderstand anti-social personality disorder. Look up those big words
> before you use then, "Dr".


You misunderstand the use of the word "may." Start looking up the
little words. Like "them."
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"Dr. Personality" <affable.TakeThisOut@no.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Perhaps. However, I still wonder why anybody in TNG bothers to do
> anything except lie around and eat pre-peeled grapes. There is no
> economic competition; there is no money; and no one wants for anything,
> as energy is freely available and virtually anything can be made by
> replicator. It is clearly a decadent society.
>
> It may be that people in Starfleet are sociopathic, with a psychotic
> need for adventure and danger.

No, with respect I simply do not think you've ever sat around doing nothing
except "eat pre-peeled grapes".

Two weeks ago was my first day back at work in almost 5 weeks. I sat for 5
weeks in illness, sometimes so sick I couldn't move. Do you have //any//
idea how much I wanted to DO something, how much I wanted my life back?? I
forced myself to get back into "the game", even though I was not very well
and, to this day, I am still not physically correct.

You are greatly discounting what Picard has mentioned - the human
determination to do something with themselves, to improve, to make a
difference. I was desperate to get my moving, (somewhat) active life back.
I still feel, to this day, that I had 1 complete month (27 days, really)
completely stolen from me, never to be returned.

Sit every day, doing nothing, for years on end?? I think most people would
be *absolutely* driven crazy. Do many retirees, who have the option of
"sitting at home", do so every day? Nope, they seek activities. Some even
seek reemployment to give themselves a sense of continued purpose.

The human desire to do things is very strong, I just found out. It's nice
to sit for a while, to get away from the stresses we put ourselves under
every day, but to do it constantly is absolutely mind-numbing. Try it
yourself for one month...if you don't wish to commit suicide before the end
of the trial.
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Bo Raxo wrote:

> "Dr. Personality" <affable.RemoveThis@no.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:110520052139321352%affable@no.com.invalid...
>
>>Perhaps. However, I still wonder why anybody in TNG bothers to do
>>anything except lie around and eat pre-peeled grapes. There is no
>>economic competition; there is no money; and no one wants for anything,
>>as energy is freely available and virtually anything can be made by
>>replicator. It is clearly a decadent society.
>
>
>
> As I said earlier in the thread, perhaps that's just what 99.9% do. But
> with a population of hundreds of billions, one tenth of one percent is
> enough to make up Starfleet, the Maquis, Section 31, and plenty of other
> entertaining little groups.

You could even speculate that that's one of the reasons for
having Starfleet in the first place; not so much for defence
or exploration, but to give the 0.1% of Humanity that needs
excitement and danger something to do!

--
Graham Kennedy

Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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In article <UnJge.4392$1f5.48@trndny01>, Snake
<fluidNOstatesSPAM_REMOVECAPSTOREPLY RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote:

> "Dr. Personality" <affable RemoveThis @no.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:110520052139321352%affable@no.com.invalid...
> > Perhaps. However, I still wonder why anybody in TNG bothers to do
> > anything except lie around and eat pre-peeled grapes. There is no
> > economic competition; there is no money; and no one wants for anything,
> > as energy is freely available and virtually anything can be made by
> > replicator. It is clearly a decadent society.
> >
> > It may be that people in Starfleet are sociopathic, with a psychotic
> > need for adventure and danger.
>
> No, with respect I simply do not think you've ever sat around doing nothing
> except "eat pre-peeled grapes".

I don't think anyone has. It's just an expression. I do not seriously
think anyone would lounge around and do anything but eat pre-peeled
grapes. That should have been obvious. But then you said:

> Two weeks ago was my first day back at work in almost 5 weeks. I sat for 5
> weeks in illness, sometimes so sick I couldn't move. Do you have //any//
> idea how much I wanted to DO something, how much I wanted my life back?? I
> forced myself to get back into "the game", even though I was not very well
> and, to this day, I am still not physically correct.
>
> You are greatly discounting what Picard has mentioned - the human
> determination to do something with themselves, to improve, to make a
> difference. I was desperate to get my moving, (somewhat) active life back.
> I still feel, to this day, that I had 1 complete month (27 days, really)
> completely stolen from me, never to be returned.

You only lost a month? I had a botched operation to remove a herniated
disc in my lower back. I lost my job, couldn't work for eight months,
completely screwed my freelance career because I couldn't sit at a desk
to type and the constant pain was such that I couldn't write. Savings
gone, credit exhausted. Getting to the john was literally a twenty- or
twenty-five minute trip. I lost more than 55 pounds in the two weeks
following the operation, which put 6-foot me at less than 160 lbs.
Gee, I'm glad you're feeling better -- and I would have settled for
your lost month in a New York minute. I imagine there are people on
here, reading this, who have far worse stories than mine -- and I
wouldn't have brought mine up, except for your breezy assumption that I
had no such story to tell.

I've clipped the rest because there was no reason for you to have taken
my remark about pre-peeled grapes literally. Again, it should have
been obvious that I was exaggerating for effect. I mean, "pre-peeled
grapes"? C'mon.
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham.DeleteThis@ditl.org> wrote in message
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> Bo Raxo wrote:
>
> > "Dr. Personality" <affable.DeleteThis@no.com.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:110520052139321352%affable@no.com.invalid...
> >
> >>Perhaps. However, I still wonder why anybody in TNG bothers to do
> >>anything except lie around and eat pre-peeled grapes. There is no
> >>economic competition; there is no money; and no one wants for anything,
> >>as energy is freely available and virtually anything can be made by
> >>replicator. It is clearly a decadent society.
> >
> >
> >
> > As I said earlier in the thread, perhaps that's just what 99.9% do. But
> > with a population of hundreds of billions, one tenth of one percent is
> > enough to make up Starfleet, the Maquis, Section 31, and plenty of other
> > entertaining little groups.
>
> You could even speculate that that's one of the reasons for
> having Starfleet in the first place; not so much for defence
> or exploration, but to give the 0.1% of Humanity that needs
> excitement and danger something to do!
>

Also, we should remember that people in the Star Trek universe can't watch
Star Trek to relieve the boredom

Ian

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Jaxtraw wrote:
> "Graham Kennedy" <graham RemoveThis @ditl.org> wrote in message
> news:YRLge.69636$Cq2.30672@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>>Bo Raxo wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Dr. Personality" <affable RemoveThis @no.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:110520052139321352%affable@no.com.invalid...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Perhaps. However, I still wonder why anybody in TNG bothers to do
>>>>anything except lie around and eat pre-peeled grapes. There is no
>>>>economic competition; there is no money; and no one wants for anything,
>>>>as energy is freely available and virtually anything can be made by
>>>>replicator. It is clearly a decadent society.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>As I said earlier in the thread, perhaps that's just what 99.9% do. But
>>>with a population of hundreds of billions, one tenth of one percent is
>>>enough to make up Starfleet, the Maquis, Section 31, and plenty of other
>>>entertaining little groups.
>>
>>You could even speculate that that's one of the reasons for
>>having Starfleet in the first place; not so much for defence
>>or exploration, but to give the 0.1% of Humanity that needs
>>excitement and danger something to do!
>>
>
>
> Also, we should remember that people in the Star Trek universe can't watch
> Star Trek to relieve the boredom

And it's not like old reruns of Star Wars would help with that...

<ducks and runs>

--
Graham Kennedy

Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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"Dr. Personality" <affable RemoveThis @no.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <%JCge.5436$r7.3623@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Bo
> Raxo <invasions_r_us RemoveThis @thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote:
>
> > "Dr. Personality" <affable RemoveThis @no.com.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:110520052139321352%affable@no.com.invalid...
> > >
> > >
> > > It may be that people in Starfleet are sociopathic, with a psychotic
> > > need for adventure and danger.
> >
> > You misunderstand anti-social personality disorder. Look up those big
words
> > before you use then, "Dr".
>
>
> You misunderstand the use of the word "may." Start looking up the
> little words. Like "them."

First, the term "sociopath" is not used as a term on psychology any more,
that's a very outdated (20 years or more) term and shows you don't know much
about the subject. It's referred to as anti-social personality disorder.

Second, the disorder is not marked by psychosis. Nor is it marked by a need
for adventure or danger.

Third, people who are psychotic do not show a marked need for adventure or
danger. They show a break with reality, and often paranoia. That's very
different.

So *Every* *Single* connection you make: from the term you use for the
disorder, to the relation to psychosis, to the relation between both of
those to a need for adventure and danger, is wrong.

That's why it doesn't matter if you say it "may". Because it "can't", you
moron.


Bo Raxo
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In article <cJNge.303$DK.177@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Bo Raxo
<invasions_r_us.RemoveThis@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote:

> "Dr. Personality" <affable.RemoveThis@no.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:120520050537019212%affable@no.com.invalid...
> > In article <%JCge.5436$r7.3623@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Bo
> > Raxo <invasions_r_us.RemoveThis@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Dr. Personality" <affable.RemoveThis@no.com.invalid> wrote in message
> > > news:110520052139321352%affable@no.com.invalid...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It may be that people in Starfleet are sociopathic, with a psychotic
> > > > need for adventure and danger.
> > >
> > > You misunderstand anti-social personality disorder. Look up those big
> words
> > > before you use then, "Dr".
> >
> >
> > You misunderstand the use of the word "may." Start looking up the
> > little words. Like "them."
>
> First, the term "sociopath" is not used as a term on psychology any more,
> that's a very outdated (20 years or more) term and shows you don't know much
> about the subject. It's referred to as anti-social personality disorder.

I really don't care about PC updates of names for "term[s] on
psychology" [sic]. Call it whatever you want. I'd be amused by your
presumption that discussions here have to be scientifically rigorous,
if it weren't so bizarre.

> Second, the disorder is not marked by psychosis. Nor is it marked by a need
> for adventure or danger.

I don't care.

> Third, people who are psychotic do not show a marked need for adventure or
> danger. They show a break with reality, and often paranoia. That's very
> different.

Not really. You have a presumably utopic society, and then you have
this small bunch of useful misfits who flee it in their spaceships and
go off to do the dirty work of war and
diplomacy-by-implied-threat-of-force that the utopic society needs
done, however much it doesn't want to admit it.

> So *Every* *Single* connection you make: from the term you use for the
> disorder, to the relation to psychosis, to the relation between both of
> those to a need for adventure and danger, is wrong.
>
> That's why it doesn't matter if you say it "may". Because it "can't", you
> moron.

Ah, so you're just another namecaller. Didn't take you long, did it?
I suppose that's another syndrome entirely -- you know, the one that
involves attacking strangers online for no damned reason other than
your medication got skipped that morning.
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"Dr. Personality" <affable.DeleteThis@no.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> You only lost a month? I had a botched operation to remove a herniated
> disc in my lower back. I lost my job, couldn't work for eight months,
> completely screwed my freelance career because I couldn't sit at a desk
> to type and the constant pain was such that I couldn't write. Savings
> gone, credit exhausted. Getting to the john was literally a twenty- or
> twenty-five minute trip. I lost more than 55 pounds in the two weeks
> following the operation, which put 6-foot me at less than 160 lbs.
> Gee, I'm glad you're feeling better -- and I would have settled for
> your lost month in a New York minute. I imagine there are people on
> here, reading this, who have far worse stories than mine -- and I
> wouldn't have brought mine up, except for your breezy assumption that I
> had no such story to tell.

O_O I'm so sorry to hear about this. I hope that your life has taken a
much better turn for the better and that today finds you healthy and well.
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