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On 20 Jul 2003 04:12:57 GMT, statlover666 RemoveThis @aol.com (StatLover666) wrote:

  >>I think she should try the 'Richard Bachman' method. Stephen King at
  >>one time wasn't sure if he was a bestseller because he was pumping out
  >>good books or become his franchise name would sell anything. So he
  >>used the pen name 'Richard Bachman' which got a small fan following.
  >>His sales as Bachman were woeful until someone tracked down the
  >>copyrights and figured out King wrote it. King still claims that
  >>Bachman's Running Man would never have been a movie if the King name
  >>wasn't attached.
 >
 >Did he ever admit it was really him? I think of heard of that before.
 >
 >Julie

Yes, it's him. He released two books under the Bachman pen name, some years
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When a writer knows their books will sell due to a built in fanbase
regardless of merit, then that writer has no incentive to put out
something good.

Sony sells lots of TVs. Partly because the Sony name is associated
with quality electronics. Many Sony's will sell and continue to sell
even if they pump out bad product half of the time. It takes a while
for consumer opinion to outweigh established associations.

Without the pressue of market constraints, Anne Rice has no incentive
to put out a quality product. Does that mean she won't? No of course
not, but does a person become complacent then? A little pressure never
hurt anyone.

That's the franchise.
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I believe you ill happy to write the book.
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On 21 Jul 2003 23:30:14 -0700, theonesixthsense DeleteThis @yahoo.com (The One Sixth Sense)
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 >When a writer knows their books will sell due to a built in fanbase
 >regardless of merit, then that writer has no incentive to put out
 >something good.

Are you a writer? I'm curious if you are simply because if you were, you'd know
you'd have to write. There is not reason other than that. If the books sell, it
certainly is a wonderful element, but not all writers write because they love
money, or sucker their audience. Anne's writing changed. Anne changed. Shit
happens. People grow. Spirituality grows. I buy them without thought simply
because of the books I have read, and have loved, which have literally changed
my entire life. For that I will always support her. In no way do I believe for
one second she puts out books because she believes she has a built in fan base.
If that were the case, the film Queen of the Damned would have been a
blockbuster, which it certainly was not. Not one person I know saw it in the
movies, including me.

 >Sony sells lots of TVs. Partly because the Sony name is associated
 >with quality electronics. Many Sony's will sell and continue to sell
 >even if they pump out bad product half of the time. It takes a while
 >for consumer opinion to outweigh established associations.

I will agree with part of this statement. However, after running my Sony for 10
years, the screen went soft. I suppose that's a technical term. We paid 700
dollars for it. So, 70 dollars a year. Not too bad. I would never compare art
with technology. The end of the world would be very near when technology
exceeds spirituality, and writing is the essence of a writers spirit.

 >Without the pressue of market constraints, Anne Rice has no incentive
 >to put out a quality product. Does that mean she won't? No of course
 >not, but does a person become complacent then? A little pressure never
 >hurt anyone.
 >
 >That's the franchise.

A little coma from diabetes and nearly dying did not make Anne complacent. It
made her very, almost died, sick. She was probably sick for years without
knowing it. Her weight went up tremendously about the time Memnoch came out. She
was probably in a fog of sorts for several of her works.

So, no, that's NOT the "franchise." We're talking about a person, not Wendy's.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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The One Sixth Sense wrote:
 > I think she should try the 'Richard Bachman' method. Stephen King at
 > one time wasn't sure if he was a bestseller because he was pumping out
 > good books or become his franchise name would sell anything. So he
 > used the pen name 'Richard Bachman' which got a small fan following.
 > His sales as Bachman were woeful until someone tracked down the
 > copyrights and figured out King wrote it. King still claims that
 > Bachman's Running Man would never have been a movie if the King name
 > wasn't attached.
 >
 > I'd like to see Anne Rice use a pen name and try a different genre. I
 > think part of the problem is her books will sell - good or bad - as
 > long as they fall under the franchise name. I think a pen name would
 > help her figure out what she is doing that works or doesn't work both
 > personally and market wise. I think it's been a long time since an
 > Anne Rice book was held to standard market wise versus only
 > critically. C'mon get real - do you think Publisher's Weekly or some
 > large published book review is going to pan Rice even if she deserves
 > it? Crichton, Grisham, King, Morrell, Hunter, Higgins Clark, Koontz
 > all get the same review immunity from the big boys.
 >
 > I think Interview is a really good book. It was edgy and took chances
 > in terms of characterization and inventiveness. I really don't think
 > you'll see a return to the promise of Interview until Rice loses the
 > franchise name.

Ann Rampling, A.R. rolequare (SP?), etc.


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animaux wrote:
 > On 20 Jul 2003 04:12:57 GMT, statlover666 DeleteThis @aol.com (StatLover666) wrote:
 >
 >
   >>>I think she should try the 'Richard Bachman' method. Stephen King at
   >>>one time wasn't sure if he was a bestseller because he was pumping out
   >>>good books or become his franchise name would sell anything. So he
   >>>used the pen name 'Richard Bachman' which got a small fan following.
   >>>His sales as Bachman were woeful until someone tracked down the
   >>>copyrights and figured out King wrote it. King still claims that
   >>>Bachman's Running Man would never have been a movie if the King name
   >>>wasn't attached.
  >>
  >>Did he ever admit it was really him? I think of heard of that before.
  >>
  >>Julie
 >
 >
 > Yes, it's him. He released two books under the Bachman pen name, some years
 > back. My husband reads King, I read him occasional.

Two books? More like 6 or 7.

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"StatLover666" <statlover666.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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 > I was just thinking about something. If Anne Rice never wrote a book again
 > about anything, would you be sad or happy? A lot of people complain about
her
 > writing. That's why I was wondering.
 >
 > I'd personally be indifferent. I just finished QOTD. So, I still have more
to
 > go. What do you guys think?

Have you read Memnoch the Devil. I think that is the best every. She kills
off the original vampire and it discusses the matters of hell and paradise.

She writes like a British writer, and I happen to like what they do. Norma<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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 >Have you read Memnoch the Devil. I think that is the best every. She kills
 >off the original vampire and it discusses the matters of hell and paradise.

Nope, and I don't think she kills Lestat. He's in other books...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"StatLover666" <statlover666 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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  > >Have you read Memnoch the Devil. I think that is the best every. She
kills
  > >off the original vampire and it discusses the matters of hell and
paradise.
 >
 > Nope, and I don't think she kills Lestat. He's in other books...

Not until this one. He died happy and I certainly enjoyed that book. Norma<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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 >Not until this one. He died happy and I certainly enjoyed that book.

He's not dead. He's in BF. Ask anyone.

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 01:16:28 -0500, "Norma" <norma2339.TakeThisOut@charter.net>
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 >"StatLover666" <statlover666.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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   >> >Have you read Memnoch the Devil. I think that is the best every. She
 >kills
   >> >off the original vampire and it discusses the matters of hell and
 >paradise.
  >>
  >> Nope, and I don't think she kills Lestat. He's in other books...
 >
 >Not until this one. He died happy and I certainly enjoyed that book. Norma
 >
Norma,
I'm afraid you have the books confused. The original vampire, Akasha,
is killed off in Queen of the Damned after which Mekare takes on the
core spirit, Amel, and becomes Queen of the Damned.
Lestat is very much alive at the end of Memnoch because he chooses not
to become Memnoch's assistant. He would have to have died only in the
event he choose to stay in hell and help Memnoch.
He is mentioned in Blood and Gold and The Vampire Armand, is minor
character in Merrick, and he comes back full steam in all his glory in
Blackwood Farm. He will also be the lead character in the last VC,
Blood Canticle, which will be released in October.
Take care,
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Hi,
new to the news gropu sorta...
anne Rice HAS written in psuedonmyns - a la Stephen King/Richard Bachman -
Exit to Eden was written with one of those. In fact, she has used several
different pseudonyms.

"The One Sixth Sense" <theonesixthsense.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > I think she should try the 'Richard Bachman' method. Stephen King at
 > one time wasn't sure if he was a bestseller because he was pumping out
 > good books or become his franchise name would sell anything. So he
 > used the pen name 'Richard Bachman' which got a small fan following.
 > His sales as Bachman were woeful until someone tracked down the
 > copyrights and figured out King wrote it. King still claims that
 > Bachman's Running Man would never have been a movie if the King name
 > wasn't attached.
 >
 > I'd like to see Anne Rice use a pen name and try a different genre. I
 > think part of the problem is her books will sell - good or bad - as
 > long as they fall under the franchise name. I think a pen name would
 > help her figure out what she is doing that works or doesn't work both
 > personally and market wise. I think it's been a long time since an
 > Anne Rice book was held to standard market wise versus only
 > critically. C'mon get real - do you think Publisher's Weekly or some
 > large published book review is going to pan Rice even if she deserves
 > it? Crichton, Grisham, King, Morrell, Hunter, Higgins Clark, Koontz
 > all get the same review immunity from the big boys.
 >
 > I think Interview is a really good book. It was edgy and took chances
 > in terms of characterization and inventiveness. I really don't think
 > you'll see a return to the promise of Interview until Rice loses the
 > franchise name.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"The One Sixth Sense" <theonesixthsense.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > Someone found the paperwork for the copyright or some publisher's
 > assistant leaked it to the press, something like that. I think it
 > would be the equivilent of seeing a document on the Smoking Gun
 > Archive in today's time.
 >
 > I believe King said he was committed to Bachman as a secret until it
 > became so publicized that it was really no secret at all. At which
 > time he staged Bachman's fake death ( obit and all. LOL ) So his
 > publisher released them under his name and Bachmans.
 >
 > I think even at that point in his career, King had as much money as he
 > would ever need. I really think the Bachman experiment was a challenge
 > to see what he could do on merit versus brand name.

You know, if you read "The Dark Half" you'll find that at the beginning in
one of Stephen King's FOREWARD, he explains why he wrote as Richard Bachman,
the "secrecy" involved & his decision to "out" himself ... interestingly,
"The Dark Half" is about just that scenerio...although the person "outing"
the author writing as "George Stark" in the novel ends up in a very bloody
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