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Ben H

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:04 am
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I was reading through Off Armageddon Reef once more and it occurred to
me that Merlin has an extremely powerful weapon at his disposal.
Namely, Rakurai.
While up till this point he has essentially lived in fear of
accidentally invoking the power of the orbital weapons platforms, why
does he not instead seek to use them against his enemies. Setting up a
beacon to suddenly start broadcasting a narrow beam transmission
directly at the orbital array would of course lead to the destruction
of the beacon's vicinity, across a presumably large distance. A great
way to, for instance, neutralize the Temple Lands. Not to mention
saying "You thought that Rakurai was an act of God, or at least an act
of Langhorne? Well, how about I call down Rakurai for you? Would that
convince you you've been living under a sham these last few
centuries?"
Not to mention that a slow, steady policy of regularly setting off the
platforms would be a great way to neutralize them by the simple act of
exhausting the weapons supply. Obviously you'd want to limit the
number of strikes per annum, so as not to cause harmful ecological
side effects. Weber, to my knowledge hasn't specified whether they
were energy, nuclear or kinetic based weapons. In the case of energy
it entirely would depend on where the weapons platforms draw their
energy from. Langhorne when setting the platforms up may have well
believed that while it may be necessary for the platforms to last for
millions of years, the occasional display of God's wrath towards any
unwanted advances would curb the need for frequent use, and thus the
platforms would be slow in recharging.
Then again, Langhorne may have been uneasy with Shanwei's defiance,
and felt it prudent to store energy using things like nuclear reactors
and the like which would have a much more finite lifespan.
The orbital platforms having nuclear weapons may well be the best
possibility from Merlin's perspective. A nuke, or two, lobbed once a
year onto Armageddon Reef isn't going to harm anything locally, and
won't have a strong effect on the planet as a whole.
Kinetic weapons are a mixed bag. You have a finite weapons supply, and
there's little fallout. But kinetic weapons don't have to be
particularly large, they're easy to manufacture with the limited
resources available to Langhorne, and they last forever, assuming the
accelerators don't give out, or that they're not designed to just dump
into Safehold's gravitational field.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:43 am
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Ben H wrote:
> I was reading through Off Armageddon Reef once more and it occurred to
> me that Merlin has an extremely powerful weapon at his disposal.
> Namely, Rakurai.
> While up till this point he has essentially lived in fear of
> accidentally invoking the power of the orbital weapons platforms, why
> does he not instead seek to use them against his enemies. Setting up a
> beacon to suddenly start broadcasting a narrow beam transmission
> directly at the orbital array would of course lead to the destruction
> of the beacon's vicinity, across a presumably large distance. A great
> way to, for instance, neutralize the Temple Lands. Not to mention
> saying "You thought that Rakurai was an act of God, or at least an act
> of Langhorne? Well, how about I call down Rakurai for you? Would that
> convince you you've been living under a sham these last few
> centuries?"
> Not to mention that a slow, steady policy of regularly setting off the
> platforms would be a great way to neutralize them by the simple act of
> exhausting the weapons supply. Obviously you'd want to limit the
> number of strikes per annum, so as not to cause harmful ecological
> side effects. Weber, to my knowledge hasn't specified whether they
> were energy, nuclear or kinetic based weapons. In the case of energy
> it entirely would depend on where the weapons platforms draw their
> energy from. Langhorne when setting the platforms up may have well
> believed that while it may be necessary for the platforms to last for
> millions of years, the occasional display of God's wrath towards any
> unwanted advances would curb the need for frequent use, and thus the
> platforms would be slow in recharging.
> Then again, Langhorne may have been uneasy with Shanwei's defiance,
> and felt it prudent to store energy using things like nuclear reactors
> and the like which would have a much more finite lifespan.
> The orbital platforms having nuclear weapons may well be the best
> possibility from Merlin's perspective. A nuke, or two, lobbed once a
> year onto Armageddon Reef isn't going to harm anything locally, and
> won't have a strong effect on the planet as a whole.
> Kinetic weapons are a mixed bag. You have a finite weapons supply, and
> there's little fallout. But kinetic weapons don't have to be
> particularly large, they're easy to manufacture with the limited
> resources available to Langhorne, and they last forever, assuming the
> accelerators don't give out, or that they're not designed to just dump
> into Safehold's gravitational field.
>
>
IMO Merlin will not be doing anything that implies he is an Archangel.
Bring down the Wrath Of God would be such an action. Also, he had a
choice in the first book about destroying a courier ship. While his
decision was more based on the idea that destroying the ship wouldn't be
a big help (it would just delay info being passed on), the morality of
doing so did occur to him. The idea of triggering the orbital weapons
would IMO invoke the same thoughts of Morality on his part.

IMO this action would only be a 'last-ditch' action on Merlin's part.



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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:45 pm
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On Oct 17, 9:43 am, Paul Howard <ppaulshow....TakeThisOut@insightbb.com> wrote:
> Ben H wrote:
> > I was reading through Off Armageddon Reef once more and it occurred to
> > me that Merlin has an extremely powerful weapon at his disposal.
> > Namely, Rakurai.
> > While up till this point he has essentially lived in fear of
> > accidentally invoking the power of the orbital weapons platforms, why
> > does he not instead seek to use them against his enemies. Setting up a
> > beacon to suddenly start broadcasting a narrow beam transmission
> > directly at the orbital array would of course lead to the destruction
> > of the beacon's vicinity, across a presumably large distance. A great
> > way to, for instance, neutralize the Temple Lands. Not to mention
> > saying "You thought that Rakurai was an act of God, or at least an act
> > of Langhorne? Well, how about I call down Rakurai for you? Would that
> > convince you you've been living under a sham these last few
> > centuries?"
> > Not to mention that a slow, steady policy of regularly setting off the
> > platforms would be a great way to neutralize them by the simple act of
> > exhausting the weapons supply. Obviously you'd want to limit the
> > number of strikes per annum, so as not to cause harmful ecological
> > side effects. Weber, to my knowledge hasn't specified whether they
> > were energy, nuclear or kinetic based weapons. In the case of energy
> > it entirely would depend on where the weapons platforms draw their
> > energy from. Langhorne when setting the platforms up may have well
> > believed that while it may be necessary for the platforms to last for
> > millions of years, the occasional display of God's wrath towards any
> > unwanted advances would curb the need for frequent use, and thus the
> > platforms would be slow in recharging.
> > Then again, Langhorne may have been uneasy with Shanwei's defiance,
> > and felt it prudent to store energy using things like nuclear reactors
> > and the like which would have a much more finite lifespan.
> > The orbital platforms having nuclear weapons may well be the best
> > possibility from Merlin's perspective. A nuke, or two, lobbed once a
> > year onto Armageddon Reef isn't going to harm anything locally, and
> > won't have a strong effect on the planet as a whole.
> > Kinetic weapons are a mixed bag. You have a finite weapons supply, and
> > there's little fallout. But kinetic weapons don't have to be
> > particularly large, they're easy to manufacture with the limited
> > resources available to Langhorne, and they last forever, assuming the
> > accelerators don't give out, or that they're not designed to just dump
> > into Safehold's gravitational field.
>
> IMO Merlin will not be doing anything that implies he is an Archangel.
> Bring down the Wrath Of God would be such an action. Also, he had a
> choice in the first book about destroying a courier ship. While his
> decision was more based on the idea that destroying the ship wouldn't be
> a big help (it would just delay info being passed on), the morality of
> doing so did occur to him. The idea of triggering the orbital weapons
> would IMO invoke the same thoughts of Morality on his part.
>
> IMO this action would only be a 'last-ditch' action on Merlin's part.
>
> --
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> Paul Howard
> *
> Need a Wizard? Call on Harry Dresden not that Potter boy. [Very Big Grin]
> *

I didn't say Merlin would use it to appear as an Archangel, but rather
to demonstrate that those powers that had been ascribed to Archangels
could be used my mortal men. It would be very hard to convince anyone
that nuking the Temple had been an Act of God, outside of Charis that
is. The Charisians may well take it as a sign that there breakoff from
Mother Church was ordained.
Also, Merlin didn't take out the messenger ship because in his
opinion, it wouldn't accomplish anything significant.
If however, nuking the major centers of the Temple Lands would prevent
global war, perhaps for centuries, Merlin might do it.
Same pretext for nuking Nagasaki and Japan. Kill off several hundred
thousand enemy civilians, or send a million men off to die.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:45 pm
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Ben H wrote:
> On Oct 17, 9:43 am, Paul Howard <ppaulshow....TakeThisOut@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>> Ben H wrote:
>>
>>> I was reading through Off Armageddon Reef once more and it occurred to
>>> me that Merlin has an extremely powerful weapon at his disposal.
>>> Namely, Rakurai.
>>> While up till this point he has essentially lived in fear of
>>> accidentally invoking the power of the orbital weapons platforms, why
>>> does he not instead seek to use them against his enemies. Setting up a
>>> beacon to suddenly start broadcasting a narrow beam transmission
>>> directly at the orbital array would of course lead to the destruction
>>> of the beacon's vicinity, across a presumably large distance. A great
>>> way to, for instance, neutralize the Temple Lands. Not to mention
>>> saying "You thought that Rakurai was an act of God, or at least an act
>>> of Langhorne? Well, how about I call down Rakurai for you? Would that
>>> convince you you've been living under a sham these last few
>>> centuries?"
>>> Not to mention that a slow, steady policy of regularly setting off the
>>> platforms would be a great way to neutralize them by the simple act of
>>> exhausting the weapons supply. Obviously you'd want to limit the
>>> number of strikes per annum, so as not to cause harmful ecological
>>> side effects. Weber, to my knowledge hasn't specified whether they
>>> were energy, nuclear or kinetic based weapons. In the case of energy
>>> it entirely would depend on where the weapons platforms draw their
>>> energy from. Langhorne when setting the platforms up may have well
>>> believed that while it may be necessary for the platforms to last for
>>> millions of years, the occasional display of God's wrath towards any
>>> unwanted advances would curb the need for frequent use, and thus the
>>> platforms would be slow in recharging.
>>> Then again, Langhorne may have been uneasy with Shanwei's defiance,
>>> and felt it prudent to store energy using things like nuclear reactors
>>> and the like which would have a much more finite lifespan.
>>> The orbital platforms having nuclear weapons may well be the best
>>> possibility from Merlin's perspective. A nuke, or two, lobbed once a
>>> year onto Armageddon Reef isn't going to harm anything locally, and
>>> won't have a strong effect on the planet as a whole.
>>> Kinetic weapons are a mixed bag. You have a finite weapons supply, and
>>> there's little fallout. But kinetic weapons don't have to be
>>> particularly large, they're easy to manufacture with the limited
>>> resources available to Langhorne, and they last forever, assuming the
>>> accelerators don't give out, or that they're not designed to just dump
>>> into Safehold's gravitational field.
>>>
>> IMO Merlin will not be doing anything that implies he is an Archangel.
>> Bring down the Wrath Of God would be such an action. Also, he had a
>> choice in the first book about destroying a courier ship. While his
>> decision was more based on the idea that destroying the ship wouldn't be
>> a big help (it would just delay info being passed on), the morality of
>> doing so did occur to him. The idea of triggering the orbital weapons
>> would IMO invoke the same thoughts of Morality on his part.
>>
>> IMO this action would only be a 'last-ditch' action on Merlin's part.
>>
>> --
>> *
>> Paul Howard
>> *
>> Need a Wizard? Call on Harry Dresden not that Potter boy. [Very Big Grin]
>> *
>>
>
> I didn't say Merlin would use it to appear as an Archangel, but rather
> to demonstrate that those powers that had been ascribed to Archangels
> could be used my mortal men. It would be very hard to convince anyone
> that nuking the Temple had been an Act of God, outside of Charis that
> is. The Charisians may well take it as a sign that there breakoff from
> Mother Church was ordained.
> Also, Merlin didn't take out the messenger ship because in his
> opinion, it wouldn't accomplish anything significant.
> If however, nuking the major centers of the Temple Lands would prevent
> global war, perhaps for centuries, Merlin might do it.
> Same pretext for nuking Nagasaki and Japan. Kill off several hundred
> thousand enemy civilians, or send a million men off to die.
>
>
Ben, IMO nuking the Temple would cause more trouble than you think.
One, without a message saying *why* it happened, the various local
Church Leaders might see it as an Act of God punishing the Council of
Vicars for *failing* to succeed against Charis. Even if Merlin told
them that he wasn't an Archangel, the local Church Leadership would
still consider him a Demon and the Holy War would continue. IMO he
would have to continue killing until Charis was the only nation left.

The job of convincing Safehold of the truth will be difficult, but IMO
your idea is not a good 'short-cut'.

By the way, please remember that people still debate the nuking of Japan
by the US. Merlin will be around for a long time. How would People on
Safehold a hundred or more years down the road, think of this 'immortal'
who murdered thousands of People?


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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:51:16 -0000, Ben H <cataphractlance DeleteThis @gmail.com>
wrote:


>> IMO Merlin will not be doing anything that implies he is an Archangel.
>> Bring down the Wrath Of God would be such an action. Also, he had a
>> choice in the first book about destroying a courier ship. While his
>> decision was more based on the idea that destroying the ship wouldn't be
>> a big help (it would just delay info being passed on), the morality of
>> doing so did occur to him. The idea of triggering the orbital weapons
>> would IMO invoke the same thoughts of Morality on his part.
>>
>> IMO this action would only be a 'last-ditch' action on Merlin's part.
>>
>> --
>> *
>> Paul Howard
>> *
>> Need a Wizard? Call on Harry Dresden not that Potter boy. [Very Big Grin]
>> *
>
>I didn't say Merlin would use it to appear as an Archangel, but rather
>to demonstrate that those powers that had been ascribed to Archangels
>could be used my mortal men. It would be very hard to convince anyone
>that nuking the Temple had been an Act of God, outside of Charis that
>is. The Charisians may well take it as a sign that there breakoff from
>Mother Church was ordained.
>Also, Merlin didn't take out the messenger ship because in his
>opinion, it wouldn't accomplish anything significant.
>If however, nuking the major centers of the Temple Lands would prevent
>global war, perhaps for centuries, Merlin might do it.
>Same pretext for nuking Nagasaki and Japan. Kill off several hundred
>thousand enemy civilians, or send a million men off to die.


it's hard to say how religious nutters will react to stimuli. you
could very well harden their resolve by blasting the main temple. for
has not god burnt the corrupt heart from the church that "we" might
press on freed of that burden etc etc.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:55 pm
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:04:27 -0000, an orbiting mind-control laser
made Ben H <cataphractlance.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> write:

>I was reading through Off Armageddon Reef once more and it occurred to
>me that Merlin has an extremely powerful weapon at his disposal.
>Namely, Rakurai.
>While up till this point he has essentially lived in fear of
>accidentally invoking the power of the orbital weapons platforms, why
>does he not instead seek to use them against his enemies. Setting up a
>beacon to suddenly start broadcasting a narrow beam transmission
>directly at the orbital array would of course lead to the destruction
>of the beacon's vicinity, across a presumably large distance.

While I like this on general principles (using an enemy's strength
against him), I doubt that Merlin would use them.

The main problems for his use of the system is that he doesn't
know the threshold at which the system is triggered and he doesn't
know how/if the response may be graduated.

Triggering a half-dozen blasts around a power-plant-scale emission
point - on the Reef - would be a dandy way to wear down the magazines
in the bombardment system.

Leveling half a continent while trying to destroy a point-target
would be... problematic.

He has no real control over it.

> A great way to, for instance, neutralize the Temple Lands.

A note to people replying: Ben said 'Temple Lands', _not_ the
Temple, in Zion. An orbital strike would be a dandy way to wipe out an
opposing field army.

>Then again, Langhorne may have been uneasy with Shanwei's defiance,
>and felt it prudent to store energy using things like nuclear reactors
>and the like which would have a much more finite lifespan.
>The orbital platforms having nuclear weapons may well be the best
>possibility from Merlin's perspective. A nuke, or two, lobbed once a
>year onto Armageddon Reef isn't going to harm anything locally, and
>won't have a strong effect on the planet as a whole.
>Kinetic weapons are a mixed bag. You have a finite weapons supply, and
>there's little fallout. But kinetic weapons don't have to be
>particularly large, they're easy to manufacture with the limited
>resources available to Langhorne, and they last forever, assuming the
>accelerators don't give out, or that they're not designed to just dump
>into Safehold's gravitational field.

The system appears to be kinetic in nature. (Or kinetic/nuclear.)

ref:

"...three separate waves of artificial meteors hammering across
the continent."


"...had been battered into a near-lunar landscape by overlapping
impact craters."


Not overlapping 'blast zones,' each of which could be quite large,
but overlapping 'impact craters,' which implies to me quite a large
number of physical impact points in a high-density pattern across a
large area.

"...the kinetic bombardment had shredded a roughly circular zone
over eighteen hundred kilometers across."

Even given _really_ big craters, you'd need quite a few of them to
be overlapping a significant number of times across an area that
broad.

The system still has six loaded 'cells,' each capable of leveling
half a continent. (This also implies a finite magazine capacity.)


-JPB
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On Oct 17, 11:55 pm, Dahak <Dahak....RemoveThis@theXOUTfifthimperium.com.invalid>
wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:04:27 -0000, an orbiting mind-control laser
> made Ben H <cataphractla....RemoveThis@gmail.com> write:
>
> >I was reading through Off Armageddon Reef once more and it occurred to
> >me that Merlin has an extremely powerful weapon at his disposal.
> >Namely, Rakurai.
> >While up till this point he has essentially lived in fear of
> >accidentally invoking the power of the orbital weapons platforms, why
> >does he not instead seek to use them against his enemies. Setting up a
> >beacon to suddenly start broadcasting a narrow beam transmission
> >directly at the orbital array would of course lead to the destruction
> >of the beacon's vicinity, across a presumably large distance.
>
> While I like this on general principles (using an enemy's strength
> against him), I doubt that Merlin would use them.
>
> The main problems for his use of the system is that he doesn't
> know the threshold at which the system is triggered and he doesn't
> know how/if the response may be graduated.
>
> Triggering a half-dozen blasts around a power-plant-scale emission
> point - on the Reef - would be a dandy way to wear down the magazines
> in the bombardment system.
>

I can't imagine a system that could from orbit detect a
technologically advanced device that didn't first produce reasonably
strong emissions. Merlin could bring the device in completely
shutdown, with a _mechanical_ activation device.

> Leveling half a continent while trying to destroy a point-target
> would be... problematic.
>
> He has no real control over it.
>
> > A great way to, for instance, neutralize the Temple Lands.
>
> A note to people replying: Ben said 'Temple Lands', _not_ the
> Temple, in Zion. An orbital strike would be a dandy way to wipe out an
> opposing field army.
>

Aye, I meant the 'Temple Lands', not the Temple. Either the
destruction of large standing armies, or the major centers of trade
and industry throughout them. Neutralize the Temple Lands' ability to
respond _at all_.

> >Then again, Langhorne may have been uneasy with Shanwei's defiance,
> >and felt it prudent to store energy using things like nuclear reactors
> >and the like which would have a much more finite lifespan.
> >The orbital platforms having nuclear weapons may well be the best
> >possibility from Merlin's perspective. A nuke, or two, lobbed once a
> >year onto Armageddon Reef isn't going to harm anything locally, and
> >won't have a strong effect on the planet as a whole.
> >Kinetic weapons are a mixed bag. You have a finite weapons supply, and
> >there's little fallout. But kinetic weapons don't have to be
> >particularly large, they're easy to manufacture with the limited
> >resources available to Langhorne, and they last forever, assuming the
> >accelerators don't give out, or that they're not designed to just dump
> >into Safehold's gravitational field.
>
> The system appears to be kinetic in nature. (Or kinetic/nuclear.)
>
> ref:
>
> "...three separate waves of artificial meteors hammering across
> the continent."
>
> "...had been battered into a near-lunar landscape by overlapping
> impact craters."
>
> Not overlapping 'blast zones,' each of which could be quite large,
> but overlapping 'impact craters,' which implies to me quite a large
> number of physical impact points in a high-density pattern across a
> large area.
>
> "...the kinetic bombardment had shredded a roughly circular zone
> over eighteen hundred kilometers across."
>
> Even given _really_ big craters, you'd need quite a few of them to
> be overlapping a significant number of times across an area that
> broad.
>
> The system still has six loaded 'cells,' each capable of leveling
> half a continent. (This also implies a finite magazine capacity.)
>
> -JPB

Aye, I probably should have read over the relevant text you quoted
before posting, but that fits into what I thought it might be. After
all, the bombardments were in _waves_.


To comment that any such action might well lead the people of Safehold
to believe the bombardments were divine retribution for the failed
invasion of Charis, Caleb, on Merlin's behalf, could very openly and
publicly send a letter to the Knights of the Temple Lands informing
them that they would be struck by Rakurai on x date.
This would of course be struck down as base blasphemy. When the
bombardment hit the Knights would be faced with the effects of the
strike, the people's perception of their own inaction, and of course,
panic.
Merlin could then immediately follow up with a second message,
informing everyone of a second impending strike, lest the KnoTLs give
in to any and all demands of the Kingdom of Charis.
This strategy might remind some of the United States' policy in
bombing Japan, but I'm more reminded of Iraq.
Planes flew over Iraqi positions dropping leaflets saying at x time,
on x day the Iraqi position would be bombed into oblivion.
The Iraqi commanders of course scoffed at the notion, and ignored the
message.
The position was cluster bombed.
When planes dropped leaflets on a second position, commanders
reportedly tried to keep the troops in position. The troops mutinied,
killed the commanders and fled.
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> On Oct 17, 11:55 pm, Dahak <Dahak....TakeThisOut@theXOUTfifthimperium.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:04:27 -0000, an orbiting mind-control laser
>> made Ben H <cataphractla....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> write:
>>
>> >I was reading through Off Armageddon Reef once more and it occurred to
>> >me that Merlin has an extremely powerful weapon at his disposal.
>> >Namely, Rakurai.
>> >While up till this point he has essentially lived in fear of
>> >accidentally invoking the power of the orbital weapons platforms, why
>> >does he not instead seek to use them against his enemies. Setting up a
>> >beacon to suddenly start broadcasting a narrow beam transmission
>> >directly at the orbital array would of course lead to the destruction
>> >of the beacon's vicinity, across a presumably large distance.
>>
>> While I like this on general principles (using an enemy's
>> strength
>> against him), I doubt that Merlin would use them.
>>
>> The main problems for his use of the system is that he doesn't
>> know the threshold at which the system is triggered and he doesn't
>> know how/if the response may be graduated.
>>
>> Triggering a half-dozen blasts around a power-plant-scale
>> emission
>> point - on the Reef - would be a dandy way to wear down the magazines
>> in the bombardment system.
>>
>
> I can't imagine a system that could from orbit detect a
> technologically advanced device that didn't first produce reasonably
> strong emissions. Merlin could bring the device in completely
> shutdown, with a _mechanical_ activation device.
>
>> Leveling half a continent while trying to destroy a point-target
>> would be... problematic.
>>
>> He has no real control over it.
>>
>> > A great way to, for instance, neutralize the Temple Lands.
>>
>> A note to people replying: Ben said 'Temple Lands', _not_ the
>> Temple, in Zion. An orbital strike would be a dandy way to wipe out an
>> opposing field army.
>>
>
> Aye, I meant the 'Temple Lands', not the Temple. Either the
> destruction of large standing armies, or the major centers of trade
> and industry throughout them. Neutralize the Temple Lands' ability to
> respond _at all_.
>
>> >Then again, Langhorne may have been uneasy with Shanwei's defiance,
>> >and felt it prudent to store energy using things like nuclear reactors
>> >and the like which would have a much more finite lifespan.
>> >The orbital platforms having nuclear weapons may well be the best
>> >possibility from Merlin's perspective. A nuke, or two, lobbed once a
>> >year onto Armageddon Reef isn't going to harm anything locally, and
>> >won't have a strong effect on the planet as a whole.
>> >Kinetic weapons are a mixed bag. You have a finite weapons supply, and
>> >there's little fallout. But kinetic weapons don't have to be
>> >particularly large, they're easy to manufacture with the limited
>> >resources available to Langhorne, and they last forever, assuming the
>> >accelerators don't give out, or that they're not designed to just dump
>> >into Safehold's gravitational field.
>>
>> The system appears to be kinetic in nature. (Or kinetic/nuclear.)
>>
>> ref:
>>
>> "...three separate waves of artificial meteors hammering across
>> the continent."
>>
>> "...had been battered into a near-lunar landscape by overlapping
>> impact craters."
>>
>> Not overlapping 'blast zones,' each of which could be quite
>> large,
>> but overlapping 'impact craters,' which implies to me quite a large
>> number of physical impact points in a high-density pattern across a
>> large area.
>>
>> "...the kinetic bombardment had shredded a roughly circular zone
>> over eighteen hundred kilometers across."
>>
>> Even given _really_ big craters, you'd need quite a few of them
>> to
>> be overlapping a significant number of times across an area that
>> broad.
>>
>> The system still has six loaded 'cells,' each capable of leveling
>> half a continent. (This also implies a finite magazine capacity.)
>>
>> -JPB
>
> Aye, I probably should have read over the relevant text you quoted
> before posting, but that fits into what I thought it might be. After
> all, the bombardments were in _waves_.
>
>
> To comment that any such action might well lead the people of Safehold
> to believe the bombardments were divine retribution for the failed
> invasion of Charis, Caleb, on Merlin's behalf, could very openly and
> publicly send a letter to the Knights of the Temple Lands informing
> them that they would be struck by Rakurai on x date.
> This would of course be struck down as base blasphemy. When the
> bombardment hit the Knights would be faced with the effects of the
> strike, the people's perception of their own inaction, and of course,
> panic.
> Merlin could then immediately follow up with a second message,
> informing everyone of a second impending strike, lest the KnoTLs give
> in to any and all demands of the Kingdom of Charis.
> This strategy might remind some of the United States' policy in
> bombing Japan, but I'm more reminded of Iraq.
> Planes flew over Iraqi positions dropping leaflets saying at x time,
> on x day the Iraqi position would be bombed into oblivion.
> The Iraqi commanders of course scoffed at the notion, and ignored the
> message.
> The position was cluster bombed.
> When planes dropped leaflets on a second position, commanders
> reportedly tried to keep the troops in position. The troops mutinied,
> killed the commanders and fled.
>
>



If Merlin had control of the Rakurai, it might have been useful to use
it to bombard the enemy galley fleet off of Armageddon Reef, rather
than send in Cayleb's fleet. Even a tiny handful of Rakurai shots into
one of their anchorages would have probably sunk most or all of their
galleys, without any risk to Cayleb's fleet or any civilians.
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