A Scanner Darkly Movie

"Scoop" <no-spam RemoveThis @sonic.net> wrote in message news:9T1Yd.10139$m31.113618@typhoon.sonic.net...
 > Quoth Bill Cleere:
 > : "Scoop" <no-spam RemoveThis @sonic.net> wrote in message news:QL0Yd.10135$m31.113475@typhoon.sonic.net...
 > :> Quoth Joe Morris:
 > :> : Not so long ago, judeodementia wrote:
 > :> :> It is a shame that Dick's true masterpiece is being turned into
 > :> :> something suitable only for Saturday morning television. Sigh.
 > :>
 > :> : They'd have to remove 90% of the story for that!
 > :> : Maybe they could make Substance-D stand for donut
 > :>
 > :> "Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Substance D."
 >
 > : "In way cool Monster shapes with a zizzly cream filling!"
 >
 > How does one get zizzly cream-stains out of wubfur?

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"Bill Cleere" <bcleere RemoveThis @philipkdick.com> wrote in
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 > "Scoop" <no-spam RemoveThis @sonic.net> wrote in message
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  >> Quoth Bill Cleere:
  >> : "Scoop" <no-spam RemoveThis @sonic.net> wrote in message
  >> : news:QL0Yd.10135$m31.113475@typhoon.sonic.net...
  >> :> Quoth Joe Morris:
  >> :> : Not so long ago, judeodementia wrote:
  >> :> :> It is a shame that Dick's true masterpiece is being turned into
  >> :> :> something suitable only for Saturday morning television. Sigh.
  >> :>
  >> :> : They'd have to remove 90% of the story for that!
  >> :> : Maybe they could make Substance-D stand for donut
  >> :>
  >> :> "Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Substance D."
  >>
  >> : "In way cool Monster shapes with a zizzly cream filling!"
  >>
  >> How does one get zizzly cream-stains out of wubfur?
 >
 > With a light spraying of new aerosol Ubik, of course
 > (completely safe if used according to directions).
 >
 >
 >

I don't have aerosol Ubiq - I could swear I did, but I just have this tin
of the stuff now, with crude printing on it - looks like a tin of
"Brasso" - annoying thing is that the screw top is jammed on - just the
sort of thing I'd have been using aerosol Ubiq on.


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"Dave Ryman" <dave_rymanNOSPAM RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9615D1DB0F950daverymanhotmailcom@130.133.1.4...
 > "Bill Cleere" <bcleere RemoveThis @philipkdick.com> wrote in
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  > > "Scoop" <no-spam RemoveThis @sonic.net> wrote in message
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   > >> Quoth Bill Cleere:
   > >> : "Scoop" <no-spam RemoveThis @sonic.net> wrote in message
   > >> : news:QL0Yd.10135$m31.113475@typhoon.sonic.net...
   > >> :> Quoth Joe Morris:
   > >> :> : Not so long ago, judeodementia wrote:
   > >> :> :> It is a shame that Dick's true masterpiece is being turned into
   > >> :> :> something suitable only for Saturday morning television. Sigh.
   > >> :>
   > >> :> : They'd have to remove 90% of the story for that!
   > >> :> : Maybe they could make Substance-D stand for donut
   > >> :>
   > >> :> "Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Substance D."
   > >>
   > >> : "In way cool Monster shapes with a zizzly cream filling!"
   > >>
   > >> How does one get zizzly cream-stains out of wubfur?
  > >
  > > With a light spraying of new aerosol Ubik, of course
  > > (completely safe if used according to directions).
  > >
  > >
  > >
 >
 > I don't have aerosol Ubiq - I could swear I did, but I just have this tin
 > of the stuff now, with crude printing on it - looks like a tin of
 > "Brasso" - annoying thing is that the screw top is jammed on - just the
 > sort of thing I'd have been using aerosol Ubiq on.

I'd like to pick up one of those tins, but the only cash I've got is a
nickel with Dave Ryman's face on it. Things seems to be falling apart.

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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:25:20 GMT, judeodementia wrote:
 >
 > It is a shame that Dick's true masterpiece is being turned into
 > something suitable only for Saturday morning television. Sigh.

Have you seen the trailer?

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.apple.com/trailers/warner_independent_pictures/a_scanner_darkly.html" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/trailers/warner_independent_pictures/a_scanner_darkly.html</a>

It's surely animated, but I don't think there's anything in the trailer
that can be labeled "Saturday Morning Cartoon."

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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:28:55 -0600, "Jay G." <Jay RemoveThis @tmbg.org> wrote:

 >On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:25:20 GMT, judeodementia wrote:
  >>
  >> It is a shame that Dick's true masterpiece is being turned into
  >> something suitable only for Saturday morning television. Sigh.
 >
 >Have you seen the trailer?
 >
 >http://www.apple.com/trailers/warner_independent_pictures/a_scanner_darkly.html
 >
 >It's surely animated, but I don't think there's anything in the trailer
 >that can be labeled "Saturday Morning Cartoon."
 >
 >-Jay

Yeah, I saw the trailer. I saw it at the theater when I went to see
"The Jacket," which was pretty good.

I watched it again at the link you provided. I admit that it may not
be as bad as I am saying, but why couldn't they do the story justice
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judeodementia <dleko RemoveThis @fleebert.net> wrote:

 >On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:28:55 -0600, "Jay G." <Jay RemoveThis @tmbg.org> wrote:
 >
  >>On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:25:20 GMT, judeodementia wrote:
   >>>
   >>> It is a shame that Dick's true masterpiece is being turned into
   >>> something suitable only for Saturday morning television. Sigh.
  >>
  >>Have you seen the trailer?
  >>
  >>http://www.apple.com/trailers/warner_independent_pictures/a_scanner_darkly.html
  >>
  >>It's surely animated, but I don't think there's anything in the trailer
  >>that can be labeled "Saturday Morning Cartoon."
  >>
  >>-Jay
 >
 >Yeah, I saw the trailer. I saw it at the theater when I went to see
 >"The Jacket," which was pretty good.
 >
 >I watched it again at the link you provided. I admit that it may not
 >be as bad as I am saying, but why couldn't they do the story justice
 >and make a real movie out of it?

I assume you mean "conventional live-action" when you say "real"
movie... the answer is if they made it that way, it would star f*cking
Vin Diesel and contain at most 10% of the original storyline... and
the heroic lead would kick the ass of those evil substance-D dealing
goons in a climactic action sequence at the end of the movie in order
to get the girl.

By the way, action movies nowadays contain huge swathes of
animation... what do you think CGI is????

You really need to get out and see what passes for animation these
days. Check out Linklater's previous film "Waking Life". And take a
look at some of the more top-shelf anime like "Ghost in the Shell",
or Miyazaki's work such as "Princess Mononoke"...

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 > Quoth Dave Ryman:
 > : "Bill Cleere" <bcleere.DeleteThis@philipkdick.com> wrote in
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 > :>
 > :> "Scoop" <no-spam.DeleteThis@sonic.net> wrote in message
 > :>> Quoth Bill Cleere:
 > :>> : "Scoop" <no-spam.DeleteThis@sonic.net> wrote in message
 > :>> :> Quoth Joe Morris:
 > :>> :> : Not so long ago, judeodementia wrote:
 > :>> :> :> It is a shame that Dick's true masterpiece is being turned into
 > :>> :> :> something suitable only for Saturday morning television. Sigh.
 > :>> :>
 > :>> :> : They'd have to remove 90% of the story for that!
 > :>> :> : Maybe they could make Substance-D stand for donut
 > :>> :>
 > :>> :> "Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Substance D."
 > :>>
 > :>> : "In way cool Monster shapes with a zizzly cream filling!"
 > :>>
 > :>> How does one get zizzly cream-stains out of wubfur?
 > :>
 > :> With a light spraying of new aerosol Ubik, of course
 > :> (completely safe if used according to directions).
 > :>
 > :>
 > :>

 > : I don't have aerosol Ubiq - I could swear I did, but I just have this tin
 > : of the stuff now, with crude printing on it - looks like a tin of
 > : "Brasso" - annoying thing is that the screw top is jammed on - just the
 > : sort of thing I'd have been using aerosol Ubiq on.

 > I used to have one of those. But now all I can find is a concave rock with
 > some sort of grease in it.

You lucky bastard! All I've got is a piece of paper that says "rock"

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Once upon a time, judeodementia <dleko.RemoveThis@fleebert.net> said:
 >I watched it again at the link you provided. I admit that it may not
 >be as bad as I am saying, but why couldn't they do the story justice
 >and make a real movie out of it?

Do you think that animation means it isn't a "real movie"? I think this
is probably the only way to do "A Scanner Darkly" right - how else would
you do the suit?
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 23:47:10 +1100, Blair <blairr@newsguy-com> wrote:

 >judeodementia <dleko.RemoveThis@fleebert.net> wrote:
 >
  >>On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:28:55 -0600, "Jay G." <Jay.RemoveThis@tmbg.org> wrote:
  >>
   >>>On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:25:20 GMT, judeodementia wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>> It is a shame that Dick's true masterpiece is being turned into
   >>>> something suitable only for Saturday morning television. Sigh.
   >>>
   >>>Have you seen the trailer?
   >>>
   >>>http://www.apple.com/trailers/warner_independent_pictures/a_scanner_darkly.html
   >>>
   >>>It's surely animated, but I don't think there's anything in the trailer
   >>>that can be labeled "Saturday Morning Cartoon."
   >>>
   >>>-Jay
  >>
  >>Yeah, I saw the trailer. I saw it at the theater when I went to see
  >>"The Jacket," which was pretty good.
  >>
  >>I watched it again at the link you provided. I admit that it may not
  >>be as bad as I am saying, but why couldn't they do the story justice
  >>and make a real movie out of it?
 >
 >I assume you mean "conventional live-action" when you say "real"
 >movie... the answer is if they made it that way, it would star f*cking
 >Vin Diesel and contain at most 10% of the original storyline... and
 >the heroic lead would kick the ass of those evil substance-D dealing
 >goons in a climactic action sequence at the end of the movie in order
 >to get the girl.

Not necessarily. They are, after all, using real actors in the
cartoon version. They could use the same script, the same actors, put
some more money into it (I assume the animation is cheaper than good
sets, lighting, makeup, etc.) and make a "live action" movie.

 >
 >By the way, action movies nowadays contain huge swathes of
 >animation... what do you think CGI is????

I know what CGI is, and, done well, it isn't cartoonish.
 >
 >You really need to get out and see what passes for animation these
 >days. Check out Linklater's previous film "Waking Life".

I bought the "Waking Life" DVD based on the reviews, but I found it
unwatchable. I never finished it.

 >And take a
 >look at some of the more top-shelf anime like "Ghost in the Shell",
 >or Miyazaki's work such as "Princess Mononoke"...

The only anime (if that's the correct term) that I can remember
watching and liking was "Spirited away" by Hayao Miyazaki. If they
are like that I may give them a try.

-jd
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:48:55 -0000, cmadams.DeleteThis@hiwaay.net (Chris Adams)
wrote:

 >Once upon a time, judeodementia <dleko.DeleteThis@fleebert.net> said:
  >>I watched it again at the link you provided. I admit that it may not
  >>be as bad as I am saying, but why couldn't they do the story justice
  >>and make a real movie out of it?

It's been several years since I last read the book (and I just moved
so I can't find it now), but as I recall, the book describes the suit
as a changing so quickly that it becomes a featureless blur. I think
the term Dick used was an "amorphous blur." That should be easy to
do. Besides, with the state of special effects today they can
probably come up with something really cool.

-jd



 >
 >Do you think that animation means it isn't a "real movie"? I think this
 >is probably the only way to do "A Scanner Darkly" right - how else would
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:48:55 -0000, cmadams.RemoveThis@hiwaay.net (Chris Adams)
wrote:

 >Once upon a time, judeodementia <dleko.RemoveThis@fleebert.net> said:
  >>I watched it again at the link you provided. I admit that it may not
  >>be as bad as I am saying, but why couldn't they do the story justice
  >>and make a real movie out of it?
 >
 >Do you think that animation means it isn't a "real movie"? I think this
 >is probably the only way to do "A Scanner Darkly" right - how else would
 >you do the suit?

It's been several years since I last read the book (and I just moved
so I can't find it now), but as I recall, the book describes the suit
as a changing so quickly that it becomes a featureless blur. I think
the term Dick used was an "amorphous blur." That should be easy to
do. Besides, with the state of special effects today they can
probably come up with something really cool.

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judeodementia <dleko.RemoveThis@fleebert.net> wrote:

 >Not necessarily. They are, after all, using real actors in the
 >cartoon version. They could use the same script, the same actors, put
 >some more money into it (I assume the animation is cheaper than good
 >sets, lighting, makeup, etc.) and make a "live action" movie.

I think you're seriously deluded about how the film industry works.
Films do not get a significant budget unless they have a major star
attached, or some other bankable attribute, i.e. they are a sequel or
based on a hot property such as Harry Potter or hit video game/comic
book character. Once enough money is involved, then the acountants
take over, the people providing the money aren't interested in taking
any chances on the film being a flop. And sadly, intelligent films
are over the heads of 95% of the viewing public. Even films like the
Matrix are too hard for a lot of people, that's why they have to
sandwich in the fight and action sequences to keep their interest.

If you can give me an example of a science fiction movie in the last
10 years that wasn't made on a shoestring budget - and doesn't contain
the requisite amount of guns/spaceships/ explosions/action sequences
etc etc I will back down. The only possible exception I can think of
is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (but it does have Jim Carrey
for star drawing power).

  >>By the way, action movies nowadays contain huge swathes of
  >>animation... what do you think CGI is????
 >
 >I know what CGI is, and, done well, it isn't cartoonish.

You know, in 20 years we will look back at most pictures made these
days and laugh at how gullible we were to think the CGI didn't look
"cartoony". I have lost count of the number of times I have been
jolted out of the moment due to over-done or just plain poorly
executed CGI. The technology is amazing but it is still in its
infancy.

  >>You really need to get out and see what passes for animation these
  >>days. Check out Linklater's previous film "Waking Life".
 >
 >I bought the "Waking Life" DVD based on the reviews, but I found it
 >unwatchable. I never finished it.

Well, even I would have suggested you rented or borrowed it first.
It's definitely a movie that divides peoples' opinions. I can see how
that might negatively affect your expectations of "A Scanner Darkly".

  >>And take a
  >>look at some of the more top-shelf anime like "Ghost in the Shell",
  >>or Miyazaki's work such as "Princess Mononoke"...
 >
 >The only anime (if that's the correct term) that I can remember
 >watching and liking was "Spirited away" by Hayao Miyazaki. If they
 >are like that I may give them a try.

Well, if you liked "Spirited Away", you should definitely check out
"Princess Mononoke", and "Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind". They
are both far stronger and more mature films.

I'm excited about "A Scanner Darkly", the trailer sent a chill down my
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