School's out for the summer!

"Dave Joll" <dont.DeleteThis@bother.trying> wrote in message
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> "Anne Elizabeth Baldwin" <anneb @ aloha . net> wrote
>> "victoreia" <inkypaws.DeleteThis@hawaii.nospam.rr.com> wrote in message
>
>>> victoreia ("$100 dollars for this skinny thing? What'd they print it on,
>>> handmade papyrus?")
>
>> Prices that high are usually a sign of a small print run. When they
>> only
>> print a few books, each book has to cover more of the production costs.
>> When that's the case, the publishers can be stuck, too. {small smile}
>
> This sounds like the sort of thing that would be an obvious
> candidate for print-on-demand technology...

I'm sorry; I misunderstood what Purrt was saying earlier. Yes, graduate
school texts would be good candidates for POD. {Smile}


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
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> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> <snip>
>>>>I'm afraid that's normal, these days. Most movie theaters make
>>>>more off concessions than tickets, even when the tickets are
>>>>high enough that folks complain. {half-smile}
>>>
>>>I believe movie theaters make *all* their money off of
>>>concessions. The price of the ticket goes to the company that
>>>makes the movies, not to the theater showing the movie.
>>
>>
>> I hadn't heard that, but I don't often get to hear movie houses
>> discussing how they make money. {smile}
>
> My brother's after-school job for his teenage years was in a movie theater
> owned by math-phobic adults. So my teenage brother did their books for
> them.

That's one way to learn about these things. {smile}

>> If you're right, the movie houses rarely make money off my parents and
>> me. We'll occasionally get some hot tea, but that's it. We don't get
>> stuff
>> to eat while we're there. The popcorn is pretty terrible. I can't have
>> diet soda, and my parents won't touch it either. Everything else messes
>> with our blood sugar, and we number two diabetics, one near-diabetic, and
>> two cases
>> of hypoglycemia between the three of us. {lop-sided smile}
> <snip>
>
> Then it is the movie theater's fault they are not making money off of you.
> Surely it would not be that difficult to stock... nuts. Dried fruit.
> Something not-very-perishable but suitable for folks on no-candy diets.
> Sugar-free candy.

Crackers and cookies would be nice, but I've only see them coming out of
a purse. {Smile}

> If they won't stock foods for folks like you, they obviously don't want to
> make money off of you. And they don't.

Very true. They could easily have made more money off us than they did.
All they had to do was stock stuff we wanted to eat. {Smile}

> Capitalism in action. :>

{BIG SMILE}

Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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"William George Ferguson" <wmgfrgsn DeleteThis @newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:38:57 -0700, "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>> "Aaron" <kemtek.1 DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>><snip>
>>>>> In addition, movie theaters seem to be a lot more
>>>>> irritating these days. Playing ads in all corners (on TVs
>>>>> up on the wall), and on the screen before the film, and
>>>>> serving lousy candy... I can enjoy a movie in peace,
>>>>> quiet, and with the Good Candy, at home.
>>>>
>>>> The closest big multiplex does not allow you to bring in
>>>> your own munchies, they make more on munchies that tickets,
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm afraid that's normal, these days. Most movie theaters make
>>> more off concessions than tickets, even when the tickets are
>>> high enough that folks complain. {half-smile}
>>
>>I believe movie theaters make *all* their money off of
>>concessions. The price of the ticket goes to the company that
>>makes the movies, not to the theater showing the movie.
>
> They certainly make their profit on concessions. The average breakdown on
> ticket revenues is 50-55% to the distributor and 45-50% to the theater
> (it's actually a sliding scale, with the percentage kept by the theatre
> going up the longer the movie runs in the theatre, the first weekend is
> almost all going to the distributor). The distributor then takes its
> costs
> and fee from its cut of the rental receipts (determined by ticket sales)
> and pays the 'rest' back to the production company. Of course, given
> Hollywood accounting, what gets back to the production company, and
> especially what ends up getting back to the actors/crew with revenue
> shares, has no relationship to the actual ticket sales. Keep in mind
> that, according to the studio bookkeeping, Titanic and Lord of the Rings:
> Return of the King haven't turned a profit yet.

I see. They brag about the sales so much, it's obvious that they must
still be in the red for those films. {half-smile}


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
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> William George Ferguson wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:38:57 -0700, "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
>> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote:
> <snip>
>>>>I'm afraid that's normal, these days. Most movie theaters make
>>>>more off concessions than tickets, even when the tickets are
>>>>high enough that folks complain. {half-smile}
>>>
>>>I believe movie theaters make *all* their money off of
>>>concessions. The price of the ticket goes to the company that
>>>makes the movies, not to the theater showing the movie.
>>
>> They certainly make their profit on concessions. The average breakdown
>> on
>> ticket revenues is 50-55% to the distributor and 45-50% to the theater
>> (it's actually a sliding scale, with the percentage kept by the theatre
>> going up the longer the movie runs in the theatre, the first weekend is
>> almost all going to the distributor). The distributor then takes its
>> costs
>> and fee from its cut of the rental receipts (determined by ticket sales)
>> and pays the 'rest' back to the production company. Of course, given
>> Hollywood accounting, what gets back to the production company, and
>> especially what ends up getting back to the actors/crew with revenue
>> shares, has no relationship to the actual ticket sales. Keep in mind
>> that, according to the studio bookkeeping, Titanic and Lord of the Rings:
>> Return of the King haven't turned a profit yet.
>
> Ah. Thanks for the clarification -- it is possible that my memories of my
> brother's explanations from <mumblety-mumble> years ago aren't quite
> accurate. :>
>
> Weird that theaters don't keep movies around longer, given that their
> percentage of the profits grows. Then again, if the movie is bad no one
> will come to see it once the word gets out.

The theaters around here seem to try to keep the as long as feasible. My
parents and I were once the only viewers in the theater. I know it was an
early matinee, but we really hoped they had more viewers in later showings.
{Smile}


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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"Tristaan" <tristaanus DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:37:07 -1000, "Anne Elizabeth Baldwin"
> <anneb @ aloha . net> stomped through my brain with:
>
>> A true preposition can't end a sentence, because it begins a phrase.
>>However, English really doesn't have prepositions. We have adverbs that
>>can
>>form phrases, and can end sentences. {pause} Or, as Winston Churchill
>>might
>>have said, "This is a bit of utter pedantry up with I shall not
>>put." {wink, Smile}
>
> That Churchill quote is CLASSIC. Love it...

It's a favorite of mine. {BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG GRIN}

>> A proposition is different. I believe many are sentences, and more are
>>longer. {Mischievous Smile}
>
> I'm working on it... <bang smash bang> They're hiding under the
> "e" key... I'll gt to thm if it's th last thing I vr do. Drat...
> hy'v movd o h "" ky. his is ging srious.

Good luck! {Smile}

> risaan

Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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On 6/10/2008 6:52 PM, Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
[snip]
>> victoreia ("$100 dollars for this skinny thing? What'd they print it on,
>> handmade papyrus?")
>
> Prices that high are usually a sign of a small print run. When they only
> print a few books, each book has to cover more of the production costs. When
> that's the case, the publishers can be stuck, too. {small smile}
>

From what I saw, these were _not_ small print runs! These were basic,
intro-level criminal justice textbooks, from the major publishers
(Thompson, Allyn & Bacon, McGraw-Hill, Prentice, et. al.) And in some
cases, they would publish an "updated" textbook every year, with very
minor changes--mostly cosmetic ("oh, they changed that picture" or "that
chart/graph/timeline got changed around a bit").

I mean, I realize some fields have constant changes in the way things
are done, or in the thinking/theory/whatever, but when the instructors
have to change editions every two terms because the students can't get
the old one anymore............

--
victoreia (glad I don't have to deal w/ that anymore.......)
Goddess of Dark Chocolate
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"Anne Elizabeth Baldwin" <anneb @ aloha . net> wrote

> "Dave Joll" <dont RemoveThis @bother.trying> wrote in message

>> "Anne Elizabeth Baldwin" <anneb @ aloha . net> wrote

>>> by the time he finished, they'd fled down the driveway and along the
>>> street so fast, they were completely out of sight! {REALLY BIG GRIN}

>> About the only difference is that in the
>> latter case the minister was wearing full battle dress (he
>> must have been just about to head off for some service
>> or other) so he just threw open his door and boomed
>> something along the lines of "Jesus loves you!" at them.

> {BURST OF LAUGHTER}
> Did he get the same reaction as our friend did? {BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG
> GRIN, HUMONGOUS GRIN}

When the event was described to me the words "scared rabbit"
were used...
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"Dave Joll" <dont.RemoveThis@bother.trying> wrote in message
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> "Anne Elizabeth Baldwin" <anneb @ aloha . net> wrote
>> "Dave Joll" <dont.RemoveThis@bother.trying> wrote in message
>>> "Anne Elizabeth Baldwin" <anneb @ aloha . net> wrote
>
>>>> by the time he finished, they'd fled down the driveway and along the
>>>> street so fast, they were completely out of sight! {REALLY BIG GRIN}
>
>>> About the only difference is that in the
>>> latter case the minister was wearing full battle dress (he
>>> must have been just about to head off for some service
>>> or other) so he just threw open his door and boomed
>>> something along the lines of "Jesus loves you!" at them.
>
>> {BURST OF LAUGHTER}
>> Did he get the same reaction as our friend did? {BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG
>> GRIN, HUMONGOUS GRIN}
>
> When the event was described to me the words "scared rabbit"
> were used...

{REALLY BIG GRIN} I love that image! {REALLY BIG GRIN, HUMONGOUS GRIN}


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
> "Rhino7" <laney2.RemoveThis@comfishcast.net> wrote in message
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>>> For the movies, that sense of pity and regret is there mixed with
>>> a sense of anger as we see Smeagol being mistreated by Faramir
>>> and his men. In the books, Gollum's sense of betrayal was
>>> understood... and given time, you almost think that Frodo and Sam
>>> could have over come it. Faramir's men, with their beating and
>>> kicking of Gollum in the movie, pretty much slammed the door at
>>> any continuing possibility of redemption for Gollum. Not only
>>> was Gollum betrayed, but he was betrayed into the hands of men
>>> who, for the most part, didn't treat him a whole lot better than
>>> the tormentors in Barad-dur.
>>>
>>> Tristaan
>> Don't get me started on what Jackson & Co. did to Faramir. They redeemed
>> themselves a teeny bit in the extended version, but still.
>>
>> The Bookwurm (#1 Faramir Fan)
>
> That annoyed Dad and me, too. We feel Tolkien had a good point to make by
> doing what he did with Faramir in the book. {Smile, SMILE}
>
>
> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
>
>

Yeah, that was my biggest pissed off moment in the whole film. Because
FARAMIR WAS NOT HIS BROTHER.

SAMK
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"SAMK" <dimarchos DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>> "Rhino7" <laney2 DeleteThis @comfishcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>> For the movies, that sense of pity and regret is there mixed with
>>>> a sense of anger as we see Smeagol being mistreated by Faramir
>>>> and his men. In the books, Gollum's sense of betrayal was
>>>> understood... and given time, you almost think that Frodo and Sam
>>>> could have over come it. Faramir's men, with their beating and
>>>> kicking of Gollum in the movie, pretty much slammed the door at
>>>> any continuing possibility of redemption for Gollum. Not only
>>>> was Gollum betrayed, but he was betrayed into the hands of men
>>>> who, for the most part, didn't treat him a whole lot better than
>>>> the tormentors in Barad-dur.
>>>>
>>>> Tristaan
>>>
>>> Don't get me started on what Jackson & Co. did to Faramir. They
>>> redeemed
>>> themselves a teeny bit in the extended version, but still.
>>>
>>> The Bookwurm (#1 Faramir Fan)
>>
>> That annoyed Dad and me, too. We feel Tolkien had a good point to make
>> by doing what he did with Faramir in the book. {Smile, SMILE}
>>
>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
>>
>>
>
> Yeah, that was my biggest pissed off moment in the whole film. Because
> FARAMIR WAS NOT HIS BROTHER.
>
> SAMK

Exactly. There should be more of a difference between the two. I feel
that makes both of them more interesting. {SMILE}


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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"victoreia" <inkypaws.RemoveThis@hawaii.nospam.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On 6/10/2008 6:52 PM, Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
> [snip]
>>> victoreia ("$100 dollars for this skinny thing? What'd they print it on,
>>> handmade papyrus?")
>>
>> Prices that high are usually a sign of a small print run. When they
>> only print
>> a few books, each book has to cover more of the production costs. When
>> that's the case, the publishers can be stuck, too. {small smile}
>>
>
> From what I saw, these were _not_ small print runs! These were basic,
> intro-level criminal justice textbooks, from the major publishers
> (Thompson, Allyn & Bacon, McGraw-Hill, Prentice, et. al.) And in some
> cases, they would publish an "updated" textbook every year, with very
> minor changes--mostly cosmetic ("oh, they changed that picture" or "that
> chart/graph/timeline got changed around a bit").

That is getting changed frequently. They could have larger print runs if
they went a little longer between editions. {small smile}

> I mean, I realize some fields have constant changes in the way things are
> done, or in the thinking/theory/whatever, but when the instructors have to
> change editions every two terms because the students can't get the old one
> anymore............

That is frustrating. {sympathetic smile}

> victoreia (glad I don't have to deal w/ that anymore.......)

You're thru with that nonsense? That is good news. {SMILE}


Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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"victoreia" <inkypaws DeleteThis @hawaii.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
> On 6/10/2008 6:52 PM, Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
> [snip]

>>> victoreia ("$100 dollars for this skinny thing? What'd they print it on,
>>> handmade papyrus?")

>> Prices that high are usually a sign of a small print run. When they
>> only print a few books, each book has to cover more of the production
>> costs. When that's the case, the publishers can be stuck, too.>>

> From what I saw, these were _not_ small print runs! These were basic,
> intro-level criminal justice textbooks, from the major publishers
^^^^^^^^
> (Thompson, Allyn & Bacon, McGraw-Hill, Prentice, et. al.) And in some
> cases, they would publish an "updated" textbook every year, with very
^^^^^^^^
> minor changes--mostly cosmetic ("oh, they changed that picture" or "that
> chart/graph/timeline got changed around a bit").

The duck just now flew down and gave you $100. You twice said the magic
word: "textbook;" that explains the high price. No additional explanation
needed. 8-(

Joe Morris
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On 6/14/2008 3:19 AM, Joe Morris wrote:
> "victoreia" <inkypaws DeleteThis @hawaii.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>> On 6/10/2008 6:52 PM, Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>> [snip]
>
>>>> victoreia ("$100 dollars for this skinny thing? What'd they print it on,
>>>> handmade papyrus?")
>
>>> Prices that high are usually a sign of a small print run. When they
>>> only print a few books, each book has to cover more of the production
>>> costs. When that's the case, the publishers can be stuck, too.>>
>
>> From what I saw, these were _not_ small print runs! These were basic,
>> intro-level criminal justice textbooks, from the major publishers
> ^^^^^^^^
>> (Thompson, Allyn & Bacon, McGraw-Hill, Prentice, et. al.) And in some
>> cases, they would publish an "updated" textbook every year, with very
> ^^^^^^^^
>> minor changes--mostly cosmetic ("oh, they changed that picture" or "that
>> chart/graph/timeline got changed around a bit").
>
> The duck just now flew down and gave you $100. You twice said the magic
> word: "textbook;" that explains the high price. No additional explanation
> needed. 8-(
>
> Joe Morris
>
>
Why, thank you, magic duck! I *love* getting money from thin air!

--
victoreia
Goddess of Dark Chocolate
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