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Since: Jul 02, 2004 Posts: 330
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(Msg. 61) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:01 am
Post subject: Re: Secondary Mutations [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: rec>arts>comics>marvel>xbooks (more info?)
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BlakGard wrote:
> ~consul wrote:
>>>Colossus added a good foot of height and doubled his mass when he
>>>powered up.
>>Ice Density.
> 10 lbs of water weighs differently when it becomes frozen?
>>And for Colossus, maybe he goes from solid inside to metal lattice inside?
> That still doesn't account for the doubled mass.
I would say that the mass stays the same, just how it is configured.
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Since: Mar 04, 2004 Posts: 207
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(Msg. 62) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:47 am
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"AJSolis" <ajsolis DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >I'm still curious to know where those powers came from.
> I think they came from his possession by Reignfire, but the thing that
makes
> secondary mutations tricky as a classification is all those grey areas
like the
> fine line between natural and artificial, and how one can be sure if its a
> mutation or a latent power.
>
> >Curious: Has the Prof. ever lent anyone else telepathy? Was Changling a
> >"latent psi" in order to do that?
> I believe he just lent it to Changeling, and since Changeling also got
> telekinesis from the deal, it would seem he had some potential in the
psychic
> arena to begin with. And as far as I know, he's only done that trick
once,
> either Xavier doesn't feel like giving his power away, or it's an
unpleasant
> experience or both I guess.
>
"What if every telepath on the planet gave their powers to Kitty..." no I
won't go there
> >I think with the Scarlet Witch, the idea is that she has always been
> >channeling magic in order to affect probability. The chaotic magic bit
is
> >more of an explanation of her power source, rather than a new power in
> >itself.
> Well, at the least, it's an expansion of her powers. She used to have
some
> limits anyway.
>
> >As said before, the first few issues of the New Mutants showed that her
> >ultimate potential is to make her holograms solid. The only new power
added
> >on was her Valkerie-given powers.
> Are you counting her psychic arrows as valkyrie given (probably are,
but I'm
> not sure)? Then her most recent upgrade was to quantum energy/reality
> alteration powers, but that was (I believe) the result of someone with
quantum
> energy/reality alteration deciding to share. They even had the four
versions
> of Mirage meeting in that storyline.
>
Actually I forgot about the psychic arrows...but those arrows affected with
people's emotions, so they are still a variation of her 'main' psi power and
not a new power. The Valkyrie powers I was thinking about were the
death-related ones. Now, if she developed the quantum powers naturally and
kept them, I would count that as a secondary mutation. I don't know about
that period of her life since I wasn't reading X-Force at the time (but I
remember seeing Jennifer Kyle in the book). Can you tell me more about
Quantum Dani?
Would anyone remember that she also had the ability to talk to animals and
see through their eyes? Hey, maybe that was her secondary mutation
Patrick
> >That could be the full expression of her power if she ever learned to
> >control it properly. It seems that the Skrull and Sage gave her some
> >control.
> Yes, Rogue's powers seem to be a weird combination of shapeshifting
and
> telepathy.
>
> >What was Gambit's ultimate potential?
> Well, if Gambit is the missing summers brother as Mutant X suggested,
than
> Cyclops is the wuss of the family. At his full potential, Gambit can fly,
> disentegrate objects at a glance, manipulate time (time travel,
dimensional
> travel, and just freezing ala charmed), channel kinetic energy to enhance
his
> strength and speed and give immunity to rogue's touch via an invisible
aura of
> power and some protection from injury.
> Basically he can do anything any use of kinetic energy could accomplish in
a
> world with comic book physics.
> Oh yeah, and there are two examples from X-Men 2099. Skullfire went
from
> energy blasts to becoming an entity of pure energy (so if iceman's
> transformation counts, so would his), and their founder whatever his name
is
> started off with a hand with destructive energy, he later gained a healing
hand
> on the other as it were.
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Since: Feb 28, 2004 Posts: 54
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(Msg. 63) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 3:44 am
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~consul wrote:
>>>> Colossus added a good foot of height and doubled his mass when he
>>>> powered up.
>>>
>>> Ice Density.
>>
>> 10 lbs of water weighs differently when it becomes frozen?
>>
>>> And for Colossus, maybe he goes from solid inside to metal lattice inside?
>>
>> That still doesn't account for the doubled mass.
>
> I would say that the mass stays the same, just how it is configured.
The mass doesn't stay the same though. We have proof of that. Piotr weighed
more when he became metal. Since the force of gravity stayed the same, we
can only assume that mass was added.
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Since: Mar 07, 2004 Posts: 65
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(Msg. 64) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:20 pm
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The Valkyrie powers I was thinking about were the
>death-related ones. Now, if she developed the quantum powers naturally and
>kept them, I would count that as a secondary mutation. I don't know about
>that period of her life since I wasn't reading X-Force at the time (but I
>remember seeing Jennifer Kyle in the book). Can you tell me more about
>Quantum Dani?
Well let's see, she turned blue when she used her powers, and she combined
seemingly limitless energy with her reality alteration powers, two evil
eternals tried to harness her power for their own purposes, and it lead to such
wackiness as the four Danni's meeting up.
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Since: Feb 28, 2004 Posts: 912
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(Msg. 65) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:50 pm
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ajsolis RemoveThis @aol.com (AJSolis) wrote in
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> The Valkyrie powers I was thinking about were the
>>death-related ones. Now, if she developed the quantum powers
>>naturally and kept them, I would count that as a secondary mutation.
>>I don't know about that period of her life since I wasn't reading
>>X-Force at the time (but I remember seeing Jennifer Kyle in the book).
>> Can you tell me more about Quantum Dani?
> Well let's see, she turned blue when she used her powers, and she
> combined
> seemingly limitless energy with her reality alteration powers, two
> evil eternals tried to harness her power for their own purposes, and
> it lead to such wackiness as the four Danni's meeting up.
> For anything more you'd need to talk to more of a X-Force fan.
As an X-Force fan myself, I'd recommend pretending it never happened.
More and more, I'm convinced that the best X-Force happened while Adam
Pollina was the penciler. The book started going downhill when he
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Since: Mar 19, 2004 Posts: 24
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(Msg. 66) Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:39 pm
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BlakGard wrote:
> Sorted magAZine wrote:
> >>> My pseudo-scientific B.S. explanation:
> >>>
> >>> Upon activating his powers, Iceman's body is shunted into that
> >>> dimention where the Wasp's mass goes when she shrinks.
> >>
> >> It might be a similar place, but not the same place. That dimension is
> >> directly related to the Pym Particles, which has nothing to do with
> >> Iceman's powers.
> There's really no reason why Bobby's powers can't have something to do
> with Pym Particles.
> > Anyway, it doesn't work. Can't he partially ice up? Like having an ice hand,
> > but not the rest of his body? That would mean he'd be partially in and
> > partially out of another dimensino.
> The theory that I think works best is that Bobby is, in fact, an energy being
> that can transmute matter on an atomic scale. He doesn't really need a
> human body at all.
> There really isn't a real-life scientific way to explain any of the superheroes
> that transmute their bodies into another substance, obviously. So it's
> probably best not to give him (or Colossus, Sandman, Nitro, and a slew of
> other characters) a scientific explanation. In truth, just about any theory
> can work in a superhero universe.
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