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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:44 am
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I own a Rosback perfect binder. The glue that Rosback sells works fine, but
I have been reading about a new glue for perfect binders called PUR which
holds better and produces lay-flat binding.

Does anyone know of a company that makes and sells generic glues for perfect
binders. I am hopping they will have the PUR glue I am looking for.



Regards

Kori

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:00 pm
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In article <bf626o0l71.TakeThisOut@enews1.newsguy.com>,
"Kori" <diamond.TakeThisOut@camalott.com> wrote:

 > I own a Rosback perfect binder. The glue that Rosback sells works fine, but
 > I have been reading about a new glue for perfect binders called PUR which
 > holds better and produces lay-flat binding.
 >
 > Does anyone know of a company that makes and sells generic glues for perfect
 > binders. I am hopping they will have the PUR glue I am looking for.
 >
 >
 >
 > Regards
 >
 > Kori
 >
 >

Kori,

Learn more about PUR (PolyUrathane Reactive) at this link:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.seaboardbindery.com/TA-pur%20glue.htm" target="_blank">http://www.seaboardbindery.com/TA-pur%20glue.htm</a>

While PUR is a superior binding glue, it does have one production
disadvantage in that it requires books to sit in the open air for 24
hours (to let the glue cure) before being shrinkwrapped and packed. This
may cause some storage and production problems in the typical bindery
environment.

There is another article about gluing and binding systems (some using
PUR) at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://americanprinter.com/ar/printing_whats_new_glue/" target="_blank">http://americanprinter.com/ar/printing_whats_new_glue/</a>

In yet another article, it appears that it takes special handling to use
PUR glue ... it isn't a simple substitute for the standard (EVA)
hot-melt glue used in most small binding systems.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://americanprinter.com/ar/printing_pur_perfect_binding/" target="_blank">http://americanprinter.com/ar/printing_pur_perfect_binding/</a>
In describing application equipment, the article points out that
"Special precautions must be taken with PUR to prevent cross-linking and
to facilitate cleanup." Obviously, the usual binding glue that sits in
the heated gluepot that can be re-heated and melted over and over
doesn't apply to PUR. Once the PUR "reacts" by heating and curing, you
can't then re-melt it to re-use it.

The article did mention that some manufacturers have developed PUR
retrofit systems for some binding machines.

One stumbling block might be the equipment for handling the material.
Special "unloaders" are required to transfer the material from it's
shipping carrier (a pail or drum) that cost from $25,000 to $50,000. The
application system is an additional cost, typically from $25,000 to
$35,000.

I can quickly see that PUR isn't in _my_ budget...

One supplier of PUR Glue is
Glue Machinery Corporation Division of Covert Company Inc.,
707 E. Ordnance Rd. Suite 401, Baltimore, MD 21226
Toll Free 1-888-202-2468
Phone: 410-761-2727
Fax: 410-761-5127
Email: Info.TakeThisOut@CovertCo.com<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:00 pm
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I see what you mean. I did not know about the down side of PUR glue. Do you
have any sources for generic hot melt pellets for perfect binders? Perhaps I
can find something better than what I am using.

Kori




"Stella Abzug" <abzug.DeleteThis@soda.pop.com> wrote in message
news:abzug-1ABEEC.11021017072003@netnews.attbi.com...
 > In article <bf626o0l71.DeleteThis@enews1.newsguy.com>,
 > "Kori" <diamond.DeleteThis@camalott.com> wrote:
 >
  > > I own a Rosback perfect binder. The glue that Rosback sells works fine,
but
  > > I have been reading about a new glue for perfect binders called PUR
which
  > > holds better and produces lay-flat binding.
  > >
  > > Does anyone know of a company that makes and sells generic glues for
perfect
  > > binders. I am hopping they will have the PUR glue I am looking for.
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > Regards
  > >
  > > Kori
  > >
  > >
 >
 > Kori,
 >
 > Learn more about PUR (PolyUrathane Reactive) at this link:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.seaboardbindery.com/TA-pur%20glue.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.seaboardbindery.com/TA-pur%20glue.htm</font</a>>
 >
 > While PUR is a superior binding glue, it does have one production
 > disadvantage in that it requires books to sit in the open air for 24
 > hours (to let the glue cure) before being shrinkwrapped and packed. This
 > may cause some storage and production problems in the typical bindery
 > environment.
 >
 > There is another article about gluing and binding systems (some using
<font color=purple> > PUR) at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://americanprinter.com/ar/printing_whats_new_glue/</font" target="_blank">http://americanprinter.com/ar/printing_whats_new_glue/</font</a>>
 >
 > In yet another article, it appears that it takes special handling to use
 > PUR glue ... it isn't a simple substitute for the standard (EVA)
 > hot-melt glue used in most small binding systems.
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://americanprinter.com/ar/printing_pur_perfect_binding/</font" target="_blank">http://americanprinter.com/ar/printing_pur_perfect_binding/</font</a>>
 > In describing application equipment, the article points out that
 > "Special precautions must be taken with PUR to prevent cross-linking and
 > to facilitate cleanup." Obviously, the usual binding glue that sits in
 > the heated gluepot that can be re-heated and melted over and over
 > doesn't apply to PUR. Once the PUR "reacts" by heating and curing, you
 > can't then re-melt it to re-use it.
 >
 > The article did mention that some manufacturers have developed PUR
 > retrofit systems for some binding machines.
 >
 > One stumbling block might be the equipment for handling the material.
 > Special "unloaders" are required to transfer the material from it's
 > shipping carrier (a pail or drum) that cost from $25,000 to $50,000. The
 > application system is an additional cost, typically from $25,000 to
 > $35,000.
 >
 > I can quickly see that PUR isn't in _my_ budget...
 >
 > One supplier of PUR Glue is
 > Glue Machinery Corporation Division of Covert Company Inc.,
 > 707 E. Ordnance Rd. Suite 401, Baltimore, MD 21226
 > Toll Free 1-888-202-2468
 > Phone: 410-761-2727
 > Fax: 410-761-5127
 > Email: Info.DeleteThis@CovertCo.com<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:38 am
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In article <bf6sak0tvb DeleteThis @enews2.newsguy.com>,
"Kori" <diamond DeleteThis @camalott.com> wrote:

 > I see what you mean. I did not know about the down side of PUR glue. Do you
 > have any sources for generic hot melt pellets for perfect binders? Perhaps I
 > can find something better than what I am using.
 >
 > Kori
 >
 >

I have a really lousy BindFast 5 (I got it used ... it was cheap) that I
use for binding "bound galleys." These don't have to hold up all that
well, so rather than using special (overpriced) glue from a graphic
supply firm, I use hot melt glue from the hardware store. I use the kind
that works at either high or low temperatures.

Reading from the package: "All purpose Clear multi-temp/glue stix." It
goes on to say, "High - for woodworking, ceramics, leather, canvas,
cardboard, plastics, metal, etc."
"Low - for fabrics, balloons, foam, flowers, jewlery, etc."

The glue seems to work fine in the BindFast and the books are reasonably
durable -- but I'm not worried for really long term use. If it lasts a
few weeks until a reviewer reads it, that's all it needs. I have a few
books (extras) around that have held up OK with light use for 2 or 3
years.

I really wouldn't advise this for high quality books ... but I wouldn't
advise using a BindFast 5 either.

If you spend a little time with Google, you might find something to your
satisfaction.

If I had it to do over (and the budget to support it), for my low volume
purposes, I'd get a Fastback tape binder and use the special tapes that
make "perfect bound" books. They actually have glue on the outside edge
of the tape and glue the book-block and the cover at the same time. You
end up with an "otabind" (or Rep-Kover) binding, as the spine of the
tape is _not_ glued to the spine of the cover -- so the spine can flex
and the book will lay flat. The samples I've seen have been very durable.

The Fastback binder doesn't have the setup problems associated with the
BindFast (and other small binding machines), so there would be
considerably less waste. Unfortunately, the Fastback and accessories for
perfect binding (new) is about $5,000.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2003 4:58 pm
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Kori wrote:

 > I own a Rosback perfect binder. The glue that Rosback sells works fine,
 > but I have been reading about a new glue for perfect binders called PUR
 > which holds better and produces lay-flat binding.
 >
 > Does anyone know of a company that makes and sells generic glues for
 > perfect binders. I am hopping they will have the PUR glue I am looking
 > for.
 >
 >
 >
 > Regards
 >
 > Kori

Kori

I've done some experiments with regular old "Gorilla Glue" with fairly good
results.

Chet Novicki of gigabooks.net fame has also experimented with contact
cement, but make sure your work space is WELL ventilated.

Rick<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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