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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:03 pm
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"Seized Letter Outlines Al Qaeda Goals in Iraq"

By Susan B. Glasser and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, October 12, 2005

"Al Qaeda's top deputy urged the leader of his Iraq branch in July to
prepare for the inevitable U.S. withdrawal by carrying out political as
well as military actions, and he lectured him that he risked being
shunned by an Islamic world angered over his gruesome and not
"palatable" killings of fellow Muslims, according to an intercepted
letter released yesterday by the U.S. government.

The 6,000-word letter from Osama bin Laden's chief lieutenant, Ayman
Zawahiri, to Iraqi insurgent leader Abu Musab Zarqawi amounts to a
detailed portrait of al Qaeda's long-term goals in Iraq and the Middle
East, and includes a striking critique of how Zarqawi has gone about
waging his war against not only U.S. troops but also Iraqi civilians.

The letter was posted yesterday on the Web site of Director of National
Intelligence John D. Negroponte -- http://www.dni.gov -- after senior
intelligence officials released excerpts of it last week.

Invoking the specter of the United States abruptly abandoning Iraq as it
did to Vietnam, Zawahiri counseled immediate political action: "We must
take the initiative and impose a fait accompli upon our enemies, instead
of the enemy imposing one on us."

The missive also suggests the degree to which al Qaeda's leadership
remains eager to assert its prerogatives with Zarqawi, who has become
the increasingly public face of the movement when Zawahiri and bin Laden
are in hiding.

Although the letter does not contain a direct reference to Zarqawi until
a cryptic greeting to him at the end, a senior intelligence official who
briefed reporters on the condition of anonymity said "it's absolutely
certain" it was meant for Zarqawi, declining to elaborate on how U.S.
officials made that conclusion.

The letter was dated July 9, but the official would not say whether it
had been sent. "We obtained it in the course of counterterrorism
operations in Iraq," he said.

Throughout, Zawahiri -- the Egyptian doctor who fused his own Islamic
movement with bin Laden's al Qaeda in the late 1990s and is believed to
operate now as the group's top commander -- comes across as a strategist
trying to rein in a guerrilla operating at odds with the movement's
political goals.

The official said that in its repeated criticism of Zarqawi, the letter
also amounts to a reproof from "an al Qaeda elder to an occasionally
hotheaded field commander." ******

"He comes down like a ton of bricks on what has happened tactically,"
the official said. ******

"This is not a rant. It is more chilling in a sense because it's so
well-argued, clean and calm," the official added. "There's a high
political content. Zawahiri calls for political action equivalent to
military action."

Zarqawi has been high on the list of most wanted insurgents since last
year after he pledged allegiance to bin Laden, but in recent months U.S.
military commanders have given even greater urgency to disrupting his
network of foreign fighters and Iraqi supporters.

The network is still thought to constitute only a fraction of the Iraqi
insurgency in numbers, but it is credited with carrying out a
disproportionately large share of the violence, as a result of suicide
bombings often aimed at Shiite civilians to foment sectarian strife.

But Zawahiri urged Zarqawi in the letter to change that formula and
refocus on politics.

When the United States leaves, al Qaeda must be ready to claim as much
territory politically in the inevitable void that will arise, he writes.

Zawahiri called that stage the setting up of an "emirate," in as much of
Sunni-dominated Iraq as possible, to be followed by the longer-term goal
of a "caliphate," reuniting the historical Islamic empire centered in
modern-day Egypt, Lebanon and Israel. ******

Zawahiri also questions Zarqawi's targeting of Iraqi Shiites, telling
him bluntly that the "majority of Muslims don't comprehend this" and
wondering whether such targeting is a "wise decision" given the need to
wage war against the United States and the current Iraqi government.

And even if Shiite leaders should be targeted, Zawahiri asks, "why were
there attacks on ordinary Shia?"

He also told Zarqawi that fellow Muslims "will never find palatable" the
televised scenes of hostage beheadings that have earned Zarqawi the
sobriquet "sheik of the slaughterers." among like-minded fighters.

In the media battle "for the hearts and minds" of the Islamic world,
Zawahiri said, such tactics will not work.

Zawahiri has spoken before about the broad plans of the al Qaeda
movement.

In a book smuggled out of Afghanistan in December 2001, Zawahiri said
the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks "would be nothing more than disturbing acts"
if they "do not serve the ultimate goal of establishing the Muslim
nation in the heart of the Islamic world." In the 2001 volume, he said
the first goal should be to strike Americans and Jews "in our Muslim
countries."

In the new letter, Zawahiri said the Muslim masses "do not rally except
against an outside occupying enemy, especially if the enemy is firstly
Jewish and secondly American."

In an unusual reverse, the letter asks Zarqawi to send money to al
Qaeda, saying many of its "lines have been cut off," and that "we'll be
very grateful to you" for financial help.

"Staff writer Bradley Graham contributed to this report."
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DSH

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"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Seized Letter Outlines Al Qaeda Goals in Iraq"
>
> By Susan B. Glasser and Walter Pincus
> Washington Post Staff Writers
> Wednesday, October 12, 2005
>
> "Al Qaeda's top deputy urged the leader of his Iraq branch in July to
> prepare for the inevitable U.S. withdrawal by carrying out political as
> well as military actions, and he lectured him that he risked being
> shunned by an Islamic world angered over his gruesome and not
> "palatable" killings of fellow Muslims, according to an intercepted
> letter released yesterday by the U.S. government.
>
> The 6,000-word letter from Osama bin Laden's chief lieutenant, Ayman
> Zawahiri, to Iraqi insurgent leader Abu Musab Zarqawi amounts to a
> detailed portrait of al Qaeda's long-term goals in Iraq and the Middle
> East, and includes a striking critique of how Zarqawi has gone about
> waging his war against not only U.S. troops but also Iraqi civilians.
>
> The letter was posted yesterday on the Web site of Director of National
> Intelligence John D. Negroponte -- http://www.dni.gov -- after senior
> intelligence officials released excerpts of it last week.
>
> Invoking the specter of the United States abruptly abandoning Iraq as it
> did to Vietnam, Zawahiri counseled immediate political action: "We must
> take the initiative and impose a fait accompli upon our enemies, instead
> of the enemy imposing one on us."
>
> The missive also suggests the degree to which al Qaeda's leadership
> remains eager to assert its prerogatives with Zarqawi, who has become
> the increasingly public face of the movement when Zawahiri and bin Laden
> are in hiding.
>
> Although the letter does not contain a direct reference to Zarqawi until
> a cryptic greeting to him at the end, a senior intelligence official who
> briefed reporters on the condition of anonymity said "it's absolutely
> certain" it was meant for Zarqawi, declining to elaborate on how U.S.
> officials made that conclusion.
>
> The letter was dated July 9, but the official would not say whether it
> had been sent. "We obtained it in the course of counterterrorism
> operations in Iraq," he said.
>
> Throughout, Zawahiri -- the Egyptian doctor who fused his own Islamic
> movement with bin Laden's al Qaeda in the late 1990s and is believed to
> operate now as the group's top commander -- comes across as a strategist
> trying to rein in a guerrilla operating at odds with the movement's
> political goals.
>
> The official said that in its repeated criticism of Zarqawi, the letter
> also amounts to a reproof from "an al Qaeda elder to an occasionally
> hotheaded field commander." ******
>
> "He comes down like a ton of bricks on what has happened tactically,"
> the official said. ******
>
> "This is not a rant. It is more chilling in a sense because it's so
> well-argued, clean and calm," the official added. "There's a high
> political content. Zawahiri calls for political action equivalent to
> military action."
>
> Zarqawi has been high on the list of most wanted insurgents since last
> year after he pledged allegiance to bin Laden, but in recent months U.S.
> military commanders have given even greater urgency to disrupting his
> network of foreign fighters and Iraqi supporters.
>
> The network is still thought to constitute only a fraction of the Iraqi
> insurgency in numbers, but it is credited with carrying out a
> disproportionately large share of the violence, as a result of suicide
> bombings often aimed at Shiite civilians to foment sectarian strife.
>
> But Zawahiri urged Zarqawi in the letter to change that formula and
> refocus on politics.
>
> When the United States leaves, al Qaeda must be ready to claim as much
> territory politically in the inevitable void that will arise, he writes.
>
> Zawahiri called that stage the setting up of an "emirate," in as much of
> Sunni-dominated Iraq as possible, to be followed by the longer-term goal
> of a "caliphate," reuniting the historical Islamic empire centered in
> modern-day Egypt, Lebanon and Israel. ******
>
> Zawahiri also questions Zarqawi's targeting of Iraqi Shiites, telling
> him bluntly that the "majority of Muslims don't comprehend this" and
> wondering whether such targeting is a "wise decision" given the need to
> wage war against the United States and the current Iraqi government.
>
> And even if Shiite leaders should be targeted, Zawahiri asks, "why were
> there attacks on ordinary Shia?"
>
> He also told Zarqawi that fellow Muslims "will never find palatable" the
> televised scenes of hostage beheadings that have earned Zarqawi the
> sobriquet "sheik of the slaughterers." among like-minded fighters.
>
> In the media battle "for the hearts and minds" of the Islamic world,
> Zawahiri said, such tactics will not work.
>
> Zawahiri has spoken before about the broad plans of the al Qaeda
> movement.
>
> In a book smuggled out of Afghanistan in December 2001, Zawahiri said
> the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks "would be nothing more than disturbing acts"
> if they "do not serve the ultimate goal of establishing the Muslim
> nation in the heart of the Islamic world." In the 2001 volume, he said
> the first goal should be to strike Americans and Jews "in our Muslim
> countries."
>
> In the new letter, Zawahiri said the Muslim masses "do not rally except
> against an outside occupying enemy, especially if the enemy is firstly
> Jewish and secondly American."
>
> In an unusual reverse, the letter asks Zarqawi to send money to al
> Qaeda, saying many of its "lines have been cut off," and that "we'll be
> very grateful to you" for financial help.
>
> "Staff writer Bradley Graham contributed to this report."

While I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories, given the past incompetence
and deceit of the United States intelligence community, has anyone else
considered that this letter looks a little too good to be true?

After all, this letter describes in detail how decimated the upper-levels of
Al Qaeda are and then goes on to criticise the terrorist actions of Zarqawi
in Iraq. That doesn't seem to me like something a well-organised and
disciplined terrorist leader would do. No matter that the letter was
supposedly meant for Zarqawi, interception is always a possibility that
would be kept in mind. To lay out such damaging information in plain writing
when complex codes have been used for communication in the past seems
suspicious. Or, alternately, shows a very sudden lack of even rudimentary
intelligence on the part of Ayman Zawahiri who has demonstrated a very
effective mind in the past.

It all seems a little suspicious to me... Given the forged documents
produced by the US intelligence agencies previously I would not be surprised
to find that this "letter" was a forgery as well.

James

> -----------------------------------------------
>
> DSH
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>
> While I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories, given the past incompetence
> and deceit of the United States intelligence community, has anyone else
> considered that this letter looks a little too good to be true?
>
> After all, this letter describes in detail how decimated the upper-levels of
> Al Qaeda are and then goes on to criticise the terrorist actions of Zarqawi
> in Iraq. That doesn't seem to me like something a well-organised and
> disciplined terrorist leader would do. No matter that the letter was
> supposedly meant for Zarqawi, interception is always a possibility that
> would be kept in mind. To lay out such damaging information in plain writing
> when complex codes have been used for communication in the past seems
> suspicious. Or, alternately, shows a very sudden lack of even rudimentary
> intelligence on the part of Ayman Zawahiri who has demonstrated a very
> effective mind in the past.
>
> It all seems a little suspicious to me... Given the forged documents
> produced by the US intelligence agencies previously I would not be surprised
> to find that this "letter" was a forgery as well.
>
> James

One should certainly hope so, while its goal is horrifying, it is
written a complex and charismatic style that indicates that the
insurgency is being lead by very very competent people. Can you imagine
Duby wriing anythign this complex?

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:14 pm
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"James Toupin" <jtoupin.DeleteThis@telus.net> wrote:

:It all seems a little suspicious to me... Given the forged documents
:produced by the US intelligence agencies previously I would not be surprised
:to find that this "letter" was a forgery as well.

Of course you wouldn't. After all, we all know that only America's
enemies ever tell the truth....

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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Vince <firelaw.RemoveThis@firelaw.us> wrote:

:> It all seems a little suspicious to me... Given the forged documents
:> produced by the US intelligence agencies previously I would not be surprised
:> to find that this "letter" was a forgery as well.
:
:One should certainly hope so, while its goal is horrifying, it is
:written a complex and charismatic style that indicates that the
:insurgency is being lead by very very competent people. Can you imagine
:Duby wriing anythign this complex?

It's a forgery AND the writing style indicates how "very very
competent" the bad guys are? Bwaaahaaahaaa!

Gods, you people are just SO blinded by your own ideology....

--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:09 pm
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
> Vince <firelaw.RemoveThis@firelaw.us> wrote:
>
> :> It all seems a little suspicious to me... Given the forged documents
> :> produced by the US intelligence agencies previously I would not be surprised
> :> to find that this "letter" was a forgery as well.
> :
> :One should certainly hope so, while its goal is horrifying, it is
> :written a complex and charismatic style that indicates that the
> :insurgency is being lead by very very competent people. Can you imagine
> :Duby wriing anythign this complex?
>
> It's a forgery AND the writing style indicates how "very very
> competent" the bad guys are? Bwaaahaaahaaa!
>
> Gods, you people are just SO blinded by your own ideology....
>

Talk about blinded.

read what I wrote.

I hope its a forgery because I hope the talented folks who wrote it are
not our opponents

Vince
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:28 am
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "James Toupin" <jtoupin.DeleteThis@telus.net> wrote:
>
> :It all seems a little suspicious to me... Given the forged documents
> :produced by the US intelligence agencies previously I would not be
> surprised
> :to find that this "letter" was a forgery as well.
>
> Of course you wouldn't. After all, we all know that only America's
> enemies ever tell the truth....

I am not saying that I believe the enemies of America, only that if it is a
genuine letter then it demonstrates a very sudden change in modes of
communication within Al Qaeda. Also, if genuine it is a very fortuitous find
for the US since it states only positive messages about America's actions in
the war on terror and only negatives about the Iraqi terrorists.

James

>
> --
> "False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
> soul with evil."
> -- Socrates
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:11 pm
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"James Toupin" <jtoupin RemoveThis @telus.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Fred J. McCall" <fmccall RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:t78vk11rst2lnpt8c3u7mid7ql1qobasf2@4ax.com...
> > "James Toupin" <jtoupin RemoveThis @telus.net> wrote:
> >
> > :It all seems a little suspicious to me... Given the forged documents
> > :produced by the US intelligence agencies previously I would not be
> > surprised
> > :to find that this "letter" was a forgery as well.
> >
> > Of course you wouldn't. After all, we all know that only America's
> > enemies ever tell the truth....
>
> I am not saying that I believe the enemies of America, only that if it is
a
> genuine letter then it demonstrates a very sudden change in modes of
> communication within Al Qaeda. Also, if genuine it is a very fortuitous
find
> for the US since it states only positive messages about America's actions
in
> the war on terror and only negatives about the Iraqi terrorists.
>
Which is why this letter will be buried in the main stream press.

As for changes in comm methods, I would think couriers hand carrying
notes to be the most secure method for any group to use.

Mark
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:11 pm
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:11:51 GMT, "Mark Test" <MARKT38 DeleteThis @peoplepc.com>
wrote:


>As for changes in comm methods, I would think couriers hand carrying
>notes to be the most secure method for any group to use.

FYI, this does not represent a 'change.' The fact that AQ has been
using couriers for sensitive communications has been known for a
couple of years.

The only 'change' is that some reporter actually read the press
briefing package.




"The commander in the field is always right and the
rear echelon is wrong, unless proved otherwise."
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:56 am
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"Mark Test" <MARKT38.DeleteThis@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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> "James Toupin" <jtoupin.DeleteThis@telus.net> wrote in message
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>> "Fred J. McCall" <fmccall.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:t78vk11rst2lnpt8c3u7mid7ql1qobasf2@4ax.com...
>> > "James Toupin" <jtoupin.DeleteThis@telus.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > :It all seems a little suspicious to me... Given the forged documents
>> > :produced by the US intelligence agencies previously I would not be
>> > surprised
>> > :to find that this "letter" was a forgery as well.
>> >
>> > Of course you wouldn't. After all, we all know that only America's
>> > enemies ever tell the truth....
>>
>> I am not saying that I believe the enemies of America, only that if it is
> a
>> genuine letter then it demonstrates a very sudden change in modes of
>> communication within Al Qaeda. Also, if genuine it is a very fortuitous
> find
>> for the US since it states only positive messages about America's actions
> in
>> the war on terror and only negatives about the Iraqi terrorists.
>>
> Which is why this letter will be buried in the main stream press.
>
> As for changes in comm methods, I would think couriers hand carrying
> notes to be the most secure method for any group to use.

The change in the method was not in the use of couriers, but rather in the
sending of an message that was not written in code.

James
>
> Mark
>
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:54 pm
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Jumping to an Unproven Premise.

The DNI, John Negroponte, Yale '60, is not publicly promulgating the
details about how the letter was obtained -- for Good Reason -- we don't
talk in public about Sources and Methods of Intelligence.

The letter may have been a draft found on a captured computer.

It may have been password-protected, encoded or encrypted.

We simply don't say -- playing cat and mouse with the Bad Guys -- the
Right Thing To Do.

The document has been thoroughly checked and vetted for authenticity.

Left-Wing, Anti-Bush Pogues don't want to admit its authenticity because
it confirms what Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld have been saying all
along, for years -- and the Bush-haters hate to hear that. It
discombobulates and demoralizes them.

Why, even Satterfield understands that dynamic.

DSH

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| > As for changes in comm methods, I would think couriers hand carrying
| > notes to be the most secure method for any group to use.
|
| The change in the method was not in the use of couriers, but rather in
the
| sending of an message that was not written in code.
|
| James
| >
| > Mark
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:54 pm
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On 10/16/05 2:54 PM, in article F1x4f.49$qg1.836@eagle.america.net, "D.
Spencer Hines" <poguemidden.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> "James Toupin" <jtoupin.TakeThisOut@telus.net> wrote in message
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>
> | > As for changes in comm methods, I would think couriers hand carrying
> | > notes to be the most secure method for any group to use.
> |
> | The change in the method was not in the use of couriers, but rather in the
> | sending of an message that was not written in code.
> |
> | James
> | >
> | > Mark

[ANOTHER execrable DSH top-post corrected.]

> Jumping to an Unproven Premise.
>
> The DNI, John Negroponte, Yale '60, is not publicly promulgating the
> details about how the letter was obtained -- for Good Reason -- we don't
> talk in public about Sources and Methods of Intelligence.
>
> The letter may have been a draft found on a captured computer.
>
> It may have been password-protected, encoded or encrypted.
>
> We simply don't say -- playing cat and mouse with the Bad Guys -- the
> Right Thing To Do.
>
> The document has been thoroughly checked and vetted for authenticity.
>
> Left-Wing, Anti-Bush Pogues don't want to admit its authenticity because
> it confirms what Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld have been saying all
> along, for years -- and the Bush-haters hate to hear that. It
> discombobulates and demoralizes them.
>
> Why, even Satterfield understands that dynamic.

I agree that the letter is probably authentic but am mystified as to why DSH
would find that surprising.

What is this "Good Reason," "Sources and Methods of Intelligence," "Bad
Guys," and "Right Thing To Do" stuff? Those goofy caps made me suspect that
Hines's had been reading 18th Century novels.

Grey Satterfield
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"D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jumping to an Unproven Premise.
>
> The DNI, John Negroponte, Yale '60, is not publicly promulgating the
> details about how the letter was obtained -- for Good Reason -- we don't
> talk in public about Sources and Methods of Intelligence.
>
> The letter may have been a draft found on a captured computer.
>
> It may have been password-protected, encoded or encrypted.
>
> We simply don't say -- playing cat and mouse with the Bad Guys -- the
> Right Thing To Do.

That's just silly.

The bad guys obviously know where the US got the letter.

If it was encrypted in some manner then they just gave away a secret that
should have been kept secret.

I don't think they're that daft myself.

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:05 pm
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Pogue Black is VERY naive about the Wizard Game that intelligence
professionals play with the Bad Guys.

It's an elaborate game of bluff and counter-bluff -- selected revelation
of details -- while hiding others.

Damn, if Pogue Black had even read some John Le Carre he should be far
smarter about this than he shows himself to be.

As to encoding, encryption, decoding, decryption techniques and Wizard
Games -- I've said all I'm going to say on that.

DSH

"William Black" <william.black.RemoveThis@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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| "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| > Jumping to an Unproven Premise.
| >
| > The DNI, John Negroponte, Yale '60, is not publicly promulgating the
| > details about how the letter was obtained -- for Good Reason -- we
don't
| > talk in public about Sources and Methods of Intelligence.
| >
| > The letter may have been a draft found on a captured computer.
| >
| > It may have been password-protected, encoded or encrypted.
| >
| > We simply don't say -- playing cat and mouse with the Bad Guys --
the
| > Right Thing To Do.
|
| That's just silly.
|
| The bad guys obviously know where the US got the letter.
|
| If it was encrypted in some manner then they just gave away a secret
that
| should have been kept secret.
|
| I don't think they're that daft myself.
|
| --
| William Black
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:10 pm
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| > Why, even Satterfield understands that dynamic. [DSH]

Nope, I was wrong.

Satterfield does NOT understand the Wizard-War and political dynamic
involved in the revelation of this letter from Zawahiri.

He's clueless....

A none-too-smart SWO [Surface Warfare Officer]. [N.B. I have known
scores of very BRIGHT SWO's. Satterfield is NOT one of them.]

I've got to quit giving him the benefit of the doubt.

He's far more stupid than even I had imagined.

How Sweet It Is!

DSH

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| > Jumping to an Unproven Premise.
| >
| > The DNI, John Negroponte, Yale '60, is not publicly promulgating the
| > details about how the letter was obtained -- for Good Reason -- we
| > don't talk in public about Sources and Methods of Intelligence.
| >
| > The letter may have been a draft found on a captured computer.
| >
| > It may have been password-protected, encoded or encrypted.
| >
| > We simply don't say -- playing cat and mouse with the Bad Guys --
| > the Right Thing To Do.
| >
| > The document has been thoroughly checked and vetted for
| > authenticity.
| >
| > Left-Wing, Anti-Bush Pogues don't want to admit its authenticity
| > because it confirms what Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld
| > have been saying all along, for years -- and the Bush-haters
| > hate to hear that. It discombobulates and demoralizes them.
| >
| > Why, even Satterfield understands that dynamic.
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