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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:47 pm
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Hey Everyone,

A quick question. I don't recall this, but did they ever figure out exactly
how the divergence between the mirror universe and the established trek
universe occurred. I remember some allusions to it being around the time of
First Contact, but I don't remember the details. Thanks in advnace
everyone.

-David

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:04 pm
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The difference was in whether or not Cochrane told of the Borg.
Yes=mirror univers no=Star trek universe


 >
 > A quick question. I don't recall this, but did they ever figure out exactly
 > how the divergence between the mirror universe and the established trek
 > universe occurred. I remember some allusions to it being around the time of
 > First Contact, but I don't remember the details. Thanks in advnace
 > everyone.
 >
 > -David<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:41 pm
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PRESERVER covers this.

Dr. Crusher's attempt to "wipe" Zefram Cochrane's memory of the Borg
presence at first contact failed, and Cochrane considers telling the Vulcan
visitors the truth about the future. He can't decide, though, so he leaves
the question to fate and flips a coin.

This is the point of departure.

In the "normal" universe, the coin toss tells Cochrane to keep his peace.

In the Mirror Universe, the coin toss results in Cochrane telling the
Vulcans about the Borg and the future.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:57 am
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Which one of the books was this in again? Was it in an epilogue? Thanks.

-David

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 > The difference was in whether or not Cochrane told of the Borg.
 > Yes=mirror univers no=Star trek universe
 >
 >
  >>
  >> A quick question. I don't recall this, but did they ever figure out
  >> exactly
  >> how the divergence between the mirror universe and the established trek
  >> universe occurred. I remember some allusions to it being around the time
  >> of
  >> First Contact, but I don't remember the details. Thanks in advnace
  >> everyone.
  >>
  >> -David<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:07 am
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 > Dr. Crusher's attempt to "wipe" Zefram Cochrane's memory of the Borg
 > presence at first contact failed, and Cochrane considers telling the
Vulcan
 > visitors the truth about the future. He can't decide, though, so he
leaves
 > the question to fate and flips a coin.
 > This is the point of departure.
 > In the "normal" universe, the coin toss tells Cochrane to keep his peace.
 > In the Mirror Universe, the coin toss results in Cochrane telling the
 > Vulcans about the Borg and the future.
 >
But according to Star Trek Enterprise (which sud be classed as a renegade
show because their story's went well off the map and scrambled the time
line. ) Cochrane keep his peace then at a symposium or some gathering
tolled the full story of first contact and the Borg but he was unable to
say
that they where called Borg then he retracted the hole story out of public
ridicule.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:13 am
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Steven wrote:

 > But according to Star Trek Enterprise (which could be classed as a
 > renegade show because their story's went well off the map and
 > scrambled the timeline) Cochrane keep his peace then at a
 > symposium or some gathering told the full story of first contact
 > and the Borg but he was unable to say that they where called Borg
 > then he retracted the hole story out of public ridicule.

Two things to keep in mind.

First, Cochrane's coin flip in PRESERVER happens about fifteen minutes after
Picard and his crew beam back to the Enterprise-E in the closing seconds of
Star Trek: First Contact. At that point in time, although Cochrane himself
had no firsthand knowledge of the Borg, it may have been possible for the
Vulcans to "recreate" Lily Sloane's memories despite Dr. Crusher's best
efforts at wiping her memory of the incident. Plus, armed with the
knowledge that something major had been in orbit besides the Phoenix, the
Vulcans might have been able to find corroborating evidence that the
Enterprise-E had been there, even if it were only the wreckage of the ship's
deflector dish and the Borg interplexing beacon.

Second, revealing what he knew much later wouldn't have had quite the same
impact on the timeline. At the time of the symposium, Cochrane may have
been thought of as a foolish old man, and it may have been that very
ridicule to which he was subjected that led to his ultimate disappearance.
It's all about the fulcrum points in history, and the Borg chose theirs
well.

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