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O the net ain't half vexed me this time. Anyway, this was abg-o's celebration:

http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm

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 > O the net ain't half vexed me this time. Anyway, this was abg-o's
celebration:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font</a>>

Great Robbie, thanks for sharing this. That picture of the cake somehow
seems fraught with meaning. And those are hard questions! Here are some
alternatives that I think I *might* be able to handle:
Winston Smith is a character in which book?
Nineteen Eighty-Four takes place in what year?
In Animal Farm, is the farm taken over by animals or trees?
George Orwell is a pseudonym. T or F?
Homage to Catalonia pays homage to what?
In what country is Burmese Days set?
What sort of writing is contained in The Collected Essays, Journalism and
Letters of George Orwell?

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"ROBBIE" <famousfatboydance RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > O the net ain't half vexed me this time. Anyway, this was abg-o's
celebration:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font</a>>

I think I got 3 out of 9 without looking at any references, and that third
point depends on some very questionable Spanish.

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Alan Allport wrote

 > I think I got 3 out of 9 without looking at any references, and that third
 > point depends on some very questionable Spanish.

Aye, 'n' between thee 'n' me, Ah'd niver 'ave tekken it on meself if
Ah'd knowed it were more 'n' mere laikin involved, Victory gins 'n'
fancy cake 'n' young ladies in t'pub 'n' all, but owd Nige 'e were
insistent like and yon ROBBIE wun't 'ear No. Ah wor neerly on mi road
'ooam but summat made me staay and then there were nowt left but to
try us best.

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ROBBIE wrote
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font</a>>

Just a few footnotes to a vivid and memorable account of a memorable
and vivid evening.

Fitzrovia is still OK. You walk a short step from the dismal tat,
pulullating tourists and snarling commercialism of Oxford Street, and
find peaceful streets and old pubs. Nigee and I agreed as we waited
for ROBBIE that even if the people outside the pub are sometimes brash
and overtly successful heirs to Gordon Comstock, at least they are
local versions of the species.

It was good to confirm again -- as people here will know -- that Nigee
and ROBBIE are witty and thought-provoking characters, and that the
wit is fast and spontaneous and the thought wide-ranging. Apart from
what ROBBIE has mentioned, our talk covered libraries, Croydon's
cultural policy, databases, World War 1, abgoites, people who
disapprove of Guys and Dolls, second-hand bookshops, Alan Bennett,
what you do to get thrown out of boozers, Auden, the possibility of
Britain's spiritual transformation, Pinter, the Camberwell Beauty,
Joyce Grenfell, and much else. We learned several of ROBBIE's real
names, but wild horses and all that...

Nigee and ROBBIE had been filled with altruism on their recent
travels. Nigee had brought back from the seaside some postcards that
make Donald McGill look like Edward Burne-Jones. The one he gave me is
hidden upstairs. ROBBIE gave me a wonderful Edwardian boys' boarding
school story, deeply imbued with unintended comedy both verbal and
visual. Nigee was given a scholarly study of the provenance of
Nineteen Eighty-Four.

The decision as to who was who was briefly accomplished. Nigee is
tallest so he got George, ROBBIE's Croydon-ness gave him Muggeridge,
so that left me with the suicidal Magyar rapist who wrote about
Jungian synchronicity.

The observation about 'Buttocks' as Sonia's nickname was just a
citation from Kingsley Amis, himself citing someone else, and I abjure
responsibility.

The bouzouki player in the Elysee began with *Never on Sunday*. I
thought of Selene, because Melina Mercouri became *the* campaigner on
the Parthenon (Elgin) Marbles. Selene, we didn't need to go easy on
the ouzo because the triple gin-and-tonics and the house red were
enough already.

The maitre d' was almost certainly one of the Karageorgis brothers. He
also looked just like a Cheeryble. His English was a bit shaky, but he
pointed out the adjacent table as Graham Greene's Stammtisch, and we
knew that *our* table must have been George's own.

The other Orwell party were introduced to us by a hairy hacker. It was
hard to hear him among the exploding plates and detonating dishes, but
we gathered they were a campaigning group on issues of privacy and
freedom of information. When I yelled in the ear of their leader -- a
bloke in a dark T-shirt -- that we had an Orwell Cake and an Orwell
Song, he hugged and kissed me briefly.

The Cake was baked by my wife to her usual high standards -- the
apricot jam was French -- and decorated by my friend John who happened
to be also decorating our back room at the time. I've known him since
I was five, and he remains one of the most erudite, amusing and
talented pepole I've ever met. When he was at school he won a free
cruise through the Greek islands in a national calligraphy contest,
and he's gone on producing subtle and skilful work ever since. You
can see a few of his recent pix at:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.numasters.com/artists/gallery/view_artworks.asp?sup_id=67&gall_top_poss=9" target="_blank">http://www.numasters.com/artists/gallery/view_artworks.asp?sup_id=67&g..._top_po</a>

Singing the Song with the Singer was a privilege. We had no piano in
the pub, so we couldn't produce the harmonic shift between tonic and
diminished chords in the opening -- a sequence you also get, as it
happens, in Jelly Roll Morton's *Buddy Bolden's Blues* -- or the final
melancholy plagal sound of the Elgarian coda, but we did our best. You
don't get to sing lines like this in the middle of London every night
of the week:

"..He undertook, to write a book
Filled with pessimism
About Winston's Smith's losing fight
With Oligarchical Collectivism..."


For those who want to recall the song, go here and click on George:


<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.geocities.com/jimmozz/flyingmartini/home.htm" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/jimmozz/flyingmartini/home.htm</a>


The snug of the Wheatsheaf was cosy but they rang the bell several
times and we had to go. As ROBBIE says, the thought of making
Piccadilly a Waugh zone in the autumn is tempting. Finding ways to
"behave disgustingly in the environs of Jermyn Street" is fertile with
possibility. Any ideas?

The 176 bus was in hiding, so I got the 171 back home. Juddering past
lots of the locations in Down and Out, Clergyman's Daughter and the
hop-picking diary, and then silently walking up the night-softened
hills of South London, no longer carrying a cake but clutching a lurid
German paperback, was a good way to end.

[Pernickety/scholarly footnote: It wasn't me and my wife who met just
along the road in Peckham from where ROBBIE's great-uncle was once a
priest, but my parents, during World War 2. My wife and I first met on
Hungerford Bridge, once painted by Pissaro and also the place where
Dorothy has a much nastier time.]

I hope everyone else's George's 100th was as good as ours.

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Bonnie wrote:

 > "ROBBIE" <famousfatboydance.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:14f0c1fc.0306261855.439e3fd7@posting.google.com...
  > > O the net ain't half vexed me this time. Anyway, this was abg-o's
 > celebration:
  > >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font</a>>
 >
 > Great Robbie, thanks for sharing this. That picture of the cake somehow
 > seems fraught with meaning. And those are hard questions! Here are some
 > alternatives that I think I *might* be able to handle:
 > Winston Smith is a character in which book?
 > Nineteen Eighty-Four takes place in what year?
 > In Animal Farm, is the farm taken over by animals or trees?
 > George Orwell is a pseudonym. T or F?
 > Homage to Catalonia pays homage to what?
 > In what country is Burmese Days set?
 > What sort of writing is contained in The Collected Essays, Journalism and
 > Letters of George Orwell?
 >
 > ß.

Thanks hugely for this, Robbie. Haven't read it all yet but it looks great.

Re: quiz -- without looking, I can get as far as Jon Kimche, "Antichrist,"
streptomycin and Partia Obrera de Unificacion Marxista, but you'll have to
tell us the rest.

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Tom Deveson wrote:

 > The snug of the Wheatsheaf was cosy but they rang the bell several
 > times and we had to go. As ROBBIE says, the thought of making
 > Piccadilly a Waugh zone in the autumn is tempting. Finding ways to
 > "behave disgustingly in the environs of Jermyn Street" is fertile with
 > possibility. Any ideas?

Joel asked right away, "Who's going to bring the ferret?"

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Tom Deveson writes
 >pulullating

Whoops. 'pullulating' -- sorry.

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ROBBIE wrote:

 > O the net ain't half vexed me this time. Anyway, this was abg-o's celebration:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font</a>>

Speaking of Robbie's web efforts, the Orwell celebration here Wednesday night
included a short documentary on his life & there was footage of the house &
church in Wallington that looked nicely familiar thx to the illustrated feature
Robbie did last year.

Last night an interesting series of propaganda films & then a documentary on the
Spanish Civil War that, although well-meant, accepted much of the
Communist/International Brigade version of events. Dissenters on the Republican
side, including Orwell and the POUM, were mentioned briefly, but Orwell likely
would have resented the consistent denigration of the Spanish militias' fighting
ability -- as opposed to that of the regular Government troops -- and although it
said the Catalonians at one point took some arriving Communist volunteers
prisoner, there was no mention of POUM members being arrested and killed, nor of
what happened to Andres Nin.

At the same time, fascinating stuff, including interviews with Italian and German
Communist volunteers who after defeat in their own countries went to fight
fascism where they could, and interviews with two survivors of Guernica. Who,
btw, were first shown remembering the event through its expression in the Picasso
painting.

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famousfatboydance.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (ROBBIE) wrote in message news:<14f0c1fc.0306261855.439e3fd7.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>...
 > O the net ain't half vexed me this time. Anyway, this was abg-o's celebration:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font</a>>

Or Koestler Prowls Again

You had to change at Temple? !!! How did you end up at Temple? It
reminds me of staggering out of a pub in Victoria last christmas after
a work party which had got particularly raucous after Tequila raised
its ugly head. I was clutching a tin of shortbread biscuits which I
had won in a raffle. It had the usual stuff on the lid - a proud stag
with antlers and all that. "I won't have to bother about a present for
my mum now!" I quipped to general disapproval. I came back to full
reality, drunk guy in a dishevelled suit, clutching aforementioned tin
of biscuits, somewhere on the Piccadilly Line. Which was odd, because
you cant get onto the Piccadilly line at Victoria. Hmmm.

But I digress...

I have to correct one misapprehension. Its true that I was at the
seaside recently. Whitby as it happens. And when I was thinking
about the evening with Tom and Robbie it struck me that I should have
picked up some seaside postcards. But I didnt think of it till I was
well and truly land locked. So, possessed of this idea, I had one
last chance on Wednesday night. It might just work...

There is a shop in Soho which sells film posters and memorabilia and I
strode purposefully there on my way to the pub. And whadya know, I
was in luck.

Was there an MP there? I think back and there was someone who looked
like Theresa Gorman ??? But I see mad tory MPs the way others see
Pink Elephants.

Alan Bennett: I saw him once getting off his bike to buy chocolate
pastries.

"What did you say to him?"

"I left him alone. I think that Alan Bennett should be left in peace
to purchase pastries."

But it was a great evening. Thanks for the book and thanks to Tom for
the cake.

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Nigee wrote:

 > ....
 >
 > Was there an MP there? I think back and there was someone who looked
 > like Theresa Gorman ??? But I see mad tory MPs the way others see
 > Pink Elephants.

LOL.

 >
 >
 > Alan Bennett: I saw him once getting off his bike to buy chocolate
 > pastries.
 >
 > "What did you say to him?"
 >
 > "I left him alone. I think that Alan Bennett should be left in peace
 > to purchase pastries."
 >
 > But it was a great evening. Thanks for the book and thanks to Tom for
 > the cake.
 >
 > one thing: George would have been disgusted at the abscence of toilet
 > provision at Kings Cross.

Thank you. Do they have "Restrooms for Customers Only" in London too? As Orwell would have said, it "costs money to
sit down" in more ways than one.

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 > famousfatboydance.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (ROBBIE) wrote in message
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  > >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/jimmy_the_bleeder/cakey.htm</font</a>>
 >
 > Or Koestler Prowls Again
 >
 > You had to change at Temple? !!! How did you end up at Temple.

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 > Alan Allport wrote
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  > > I think I got 3 out of 9 without looking at any references, and that
third
  > > point depends on some very questionable Spanish.
 >
 > Aye, 'n' between thee 'n' me, Ah'd niver 'ave tekken it on meself if
 > Ah'd knowed it were more 'n' mere laikin involved, Victory gins 'n'
 > fancy cake 'n' young ladies in t'pub 'n' all, but owd Nige 'e were
 > insistent like and yon ROBBIE wun't 'ear No. Ah wor neerly on mi road
 > 'ooam but summat made me staay and then there were nowt left but to
 > try us best.
 >
 > Tom

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 > This made me laugh and laugh. West Country speech?

Nay, lad; saucy bugger's tekkin t'piss out o' Yorkshire folk.

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