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softrat

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:56 pm
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On 17 Mar 2004 15:41:16 -0800, csernica DeleteThis @ihwy.com (Chris Csernica)
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>"J.G. Ballard" <jgballar-keinspam DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<jgballar-keinspam-13B0B3.20250615032004 DeleteThis @netnews.comcast.net>...
>
>> /O/ is the vowel heard
>> in "all" and in "court", and the first part of the vowel diphthong heard
>> in "oil".
>
>I don't know how to break this to you, but in most American English
>dialects I've heard "court" and "all" don't share a vowel sound.
>
>> This is way OT now!
>
>What, philology in a Tolkien group is OT?
>
Only to Ballard. (He's really just a gnubie. He's been one for
*years*!)


the softrat
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 6:55 pm
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In article <52ca495e.0403171541.39cdba4e DeleteThis @posting.google.com>,
csernica DeleteThis @ihwy.com (Chris Csernica) wrote:

> "J.G. Ballard" <jgballar-keinspam DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<jgballar-keinspam-13B0B3.20250615032004 DeleteThis @netnews.comcast.net>...
>
> > /O/ is the vowel heard
> > in "all" and in "court", and the first part of the vowel diphthong heard
> > in "oil".
>
> I don't know how to break this to you, but in most American English
> dialects I've heard "court" and "all" don't share a vowel sound.
>
> > This is way OT now!
>
> What, philology in a Tolkien group is OT?
>
> -- Chris Csernica

Well, maybe philology isn't entirely OT, but the subject of how
Americans pronounce the word "dog" is definately a bit off the beaten
path. But, as long as we connect it back to the discussion of how to
pronounce "Smaug", I think we're OK!

Cheers,

Jon

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Moshe Segal

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:57 am
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"scott" <scott.DeleteThis@scott.com> wrote in message
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> I got lost somewhere along the way here. The closest thing I read in this
> thread to a definitive answer was refuted as applying only to Elvish. I
> _really_ wanted to know the answer to this one myself.
>
> I always pronounced it "smAWEg" (as in Fox News saying "shock and AWE"),
but
> when I went to see ROTK, there was an advertisement for the video game The
> Hobbit in which the voiceover guy pronounced it "smOUg" (as in "OUch").
>
> I suppose once a consensus is reached it should go in the FAQ.
>
> Scott

In the audio book Rob Inglis seems to pronounce it like the video game which
seems to conform to the Pronunciation guide at the back of RotK, But I have
also noticed Accent symbols on vowels that Inglis seems to disregard. For
example he seems to rhyme Oin and Gloin with "join" although the symbol on
the o would indicate that the O and I should be separated as in "going".
Also Smeagol and Deagol have an accent over the E which should make them
Smay-agol and Day-agol rather than Smeegle And Deegle. So I guess it needs
to be established if his pronunciation is definitive.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:18 pm
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In article <ppkk50tds3lquv7duj18uch4f7ur62kdiu.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
the softrat <softrat.TakeThisOut@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 17 Mar 2004 15:41:16 -0800, csernica.TakeThisOut@ihwy.com (Chris Csernica)
> wrote:
>
> >"J.G. Ballard" <jgballar-keinspam.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:<jgballar-keinspam-13B0B3.20250615032004.TakeThisOut@netnews.comcast.net>...
> >
> >> /O/ is the vowel heard
> >> in "all" and in "court", and the first part of the vowel diphthong heard
> >> in "oil".
> >
> >I don't know how to break this to you, but in most American English
> >dialects I've heard "court" and "all" don't share a vowel sound.
> >
> >> This is way OT now!
> >
> >What, philology in a Tolkien group is OT?
> >
> Only to Ballard. (He's really just a gnubie. He's been one for
> *years*!)

I'm not a GNUbie, (I've been on usenet since c. 1993). I'm simply a
long-time lurker!

Cheers,

Jon "does this count as a softrat flame?" Ballard Wink
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