Solarian League breakup and the Eridani-edicts

"Paul Howard" <ppaulshoward DeleteThis @insightbb.com> wrote in message
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> Madelon wrote:
>> If the Solarian League breaks up, who will enforce the Eridani-edicts? I
>> am assuming that the Sollie Navy would be as split up as the league, and
>> for the most time more concerned with (for a while) fairly "local" stuff.
>>
>> And how long will it be before anyone gets any ideas about this same
>> situation (Mesa, concerning Torch for instance.....)
>>
>> Madelon
>>
>>
> IMO in the long run, the Major Powers would agree that the Eridani Edicts
> are part of the Rules Of War and will enforce them. Of course, the short
> run will be 'interesting'. On the Gripping Hand, even Mesa might wonder
> *what* their opponents do if Mesa *violates* the Eridani Edicts.
>
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Or better, if Mesa *programs* a gunner or missile tech in some other nation
to violates the Eridani Edicts?



Say - Jim Gunner targets the world the ship is fighting near and locks out
the remote codes.

And the s*** hits the fan.
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Madelon wrote:
> If the Solarian League breaks up, who will enforce the Eridani-edicts? I am
> assuming that the Sollie Navy would be as split up as the league, and for
> the most time more concerned with (for a while) fairly "local" stuff.
>
I'd bet that "enforcement" of the Eridani edicts will be a ploy to
destroy the enemy. Someone like Cordelia Ransome would not hesitate at
all to bombard a planet in order to frame someone, or to start a war
between two or more groups.
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TDO wrote:
> "Paul Howard" <ppaulshoward RemoveThis @insightbb.com> wrote in message
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>> Madelon wrote:
>>
>>> If the Solarian League breaks up, who will enforce the Eridani-edicts? I
>>> am assuming that the Sollie Navy would be as split up as the league, and
>>> for the most time more concerned with (for a while) fairly "local" stuff.
>>>
>>> And how long will it be before anyone gets any ideas about this same
>>> situation (Mesa, concerning Torch for instance.....)
>>>
>>> Madelon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> IMO in the long run, the Major Powers would agree that the Eridani Edicts
>> are part of the Rules Of War and will enforce them. Of course, the short
>> run will be 'interesting'. On the Gripping Hand, even Mesa might wonder
>> *what* their opponents do if Mesa *violates* the Eridani Edicts.
>>
>> --
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>> Paul Howard
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>>
>>
> Or better, if Mesa *programs* a gunner or missile tech in some other nation
> to violates the Eridani Edicts?
>
>
>
> Say - Jim Gunner targets the world the ship is fighting near and locks out
> the remote codes.
>
> And the s*** hits the fan.
>
>
>
Well IIRC David Weber is on record that any action by an infected person
that depends on the person's knowledge (such as entering codes) will
fail. The Nano-Virus doesn't read minds, it only forces physical
actions like grabbing a gun and shooting.


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TDO wrote:
> "Paul Howard" <ppaulshoward.DeleteThis@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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>> Madelon wrote:
>>
>>> If the Solarian League breaks up, who will enforce the Eridani-edicts? I
>>> am assuming that the Sollie Navy would be as split up as the league, and
>>> for the most time more concerned with (for a while) fairly "local" stuff.
>>>
>>> And how long will it be before anyone gets any ideas about this same
>>> situation (Mesa, concerning Torch for instance.....)
>>>
>>> Madelon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> IMO in the long run, the Major Powers would agree that the Eridani Edicts
>> are part of the Rules Of War and will enforce them. Of course, the short
>> run will be 'interesting'. On the Gripping Hand, even Mesa might wonder
>> *what* their opponents do if Mesa *violates* the Eridani Edicts.
>>
>> --
>> *
>> Paul Howard
>> *
>> Need a Wizard? Call on Harry Dresden not that Potter boy. [Very Big Grin]
>> *
>>
>>
> Or better, if Mesa *programs* a gunner or missile tech in some other nation
> to violates the Eridani Edicts?
>
>
>
> Say - Jim Gunner targets the world the ship is fighting near and locks out
> the remote codes.
>
> And the s*** hits the fan.
>
>
>
Please check the Infodump here:
http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/Harrington/hh_mesan_nanotech

If I'm reading it right, David Weber has ruled out "Jim Gunner's actions".


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On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 19:29:42 -0700, "TDO" <tcowan.DeleteThis@pacifier.com> wrote:

>Or better, if Mesa *programs* a gunner or missile tech in some other nation
>to violates the Eridani Edicts?

You win the most evil plot award!
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:53:41 -0500, Paul Howard
<ppaulshoward.RemoveThis@insightbb.com> wrote:

>Madelon wrote:
>> If the Solarian League breaks up, who will enforce the Eridani-edicts? I am
>> assuming that the Sollie Navy would be as split up as the league, and for
>> the most time more concerned with (for a while) fairly "local" stuff.
>>
>> And how long will it be before anyone gets any ideas about this same
>> situation (Mesa, concerning Torch for instance.....)
>>
>> Madelon
>>
>>
>>
>IMO in the long run, the Major Powers would agree that the Eridani
>Edicts are part of the Rules Of War and will enforce them. Of course,
>the short run will be 'interesting'. On the Gripping Hand, even Mesa
>might wonder *what* their opponents do if Mesa *violates* the Eridani
>Edicts.

you should also consider just how fond the military is of their
standing orders and tradition. even after a breakup navy units are
likely going to enforce the edicts as a matter of tradition for a
while.
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Brian McDonald wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:53:41 -0500, Paul Howard
> <ppaulshoward.DeleteThis@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Madelon wrote:
>>
>>> If the Solarian League breaks up, who will enforce the Eridani-edicts? I am
>>> assuming that the Sollie Navy would be as split up as the league, and for
>>> the most time more concerned with (for a while) fairly "local" stuff.
>>>
>>> And how long will it be before anyone gets any ideas about this same
>>> situation (Mesa, concerning Torch for instance.....)
>>>
>>> Madelon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> IMO in the long run, the Major Powers would agree that the Eridani
>> Edicts are part of the Rules Of War and will enforce them. Of course,
>> the short run will be 'interesting'. On the Gripping Hand, even Mesa
>> might wonder *what* their opponents do if Mesa *violates* the Eridani
>> Edicts.
>>
>
> you should also consider just how fond the military is of their
> standing orders and tradition. even after a breakup navy units are
> likely going to enforce the edicts as a matter of tradition for a
> while.
>
Agree, and the better Navies (outside the SL) would have a version of
the Edicts in their Standing Orders. So it would be likely that the
better Navies would continue to follow the Edicts. I suspect that prior
to the Revolutionary Government of Haven, the Haven Navy followed the
Edicts because they believed the Edicts were the Right Thing To Do. IMO
the Revolutionary Government mostly followed the Edicts because of the
fear of the SL.


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In article <dfee8$47096020$52d91334$20676@cache80.multikabel.net>,
"Madelon" <Madelon.Polak.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> If the Solarian League breaks up, who will enforce the Eridani-edicts? I am
> assuming that the Sollie Navy would be as split up as the league, and for
> the most time more concerned with (for a while) fairly "local" stuff.
>
> And how long will it be before anyone gets any ideas about this same
> situation (Mesa, concerning Torch for instance.....)
>
> Madelon

It isn't the monolithic Solarian League that is enforcing the Edict.
All the individual bits of it are enforcing it too. Even without the
League breaking up, those parts of it that are close to a violation are
likely to have acted before the farther parts of the League even know
that the atrocity has happened.

If the League breaks up, the individual parts will likely still enforce
the Edict. People outside the League too. Enforcing the Edict is
probably part of the Manticoran, Havenite, Andermani, Erehwonese, and
even Silesian standing orders. If factions A and B get into a fight
while surrounding factions C through Z look on with alarm, a violation
of the Edict by one side will still likely pull the formerly neutral
neighbours in on the other.

Accusing the other side of Atrocities is a time honoured method of
rounding up allies. (Worked for Kuwait. It wasn't until they started
making up stories of Iraqis murdering babies that they managed to get
any help, and then everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Until then it was
just looked at as another case of a bunch of Arabs killing other Arabs
by the rest of the world.)

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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:20:14 -0500, Paul Howard
<ppaulshoward.RemoveThis@insightbb.com> wrote:

>Well IIRC David Weber is on record that any action by an infected person
>that depends on the person's knowledge (such as entering codes) will
>fail. The Nano-Virus doesn't read minds, it only forces physical
>actions like grabbing a gun and shooting.

I doubt that entering codes is required mid action during combat. just
have one of the salvos with extended range missiles go astray towards
the planet (as in aim differently).
Codes might be required to authorize a work station to control the
missiles, but additional codes during the action would slow things
down and give the other side the rather priceless advantage of
distracting your crew from fighting the ship effectively by the code
entry requirement, while the other side is concentrating on killing
your ship.
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:35:08 -0500, Paul Howard
<ppaulshoward DeleteThis @insightbb.com> wrote:
>Please check the Infodump here:
>http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/Harrington/hh_mesan_nanotech
>
>If I'm reading it right, David Weber has ruled out "Jim Gunner's actions".

The dreaded 404 servor error raises its ugly head again so we don't
know to discuss it with you.
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J'hn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:20:14 -0500, Paul Howard
> <ppaulshoward DeleteThis @insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Well IIRC David Weber is on record that any action by an infected person
>> that depends on the person's knowledge (such as entering codes) will
>> fail. The Nano-Virus doesn't read minds, it only forces physical
>> actions like grabbing a gun and shooting.
>>
>
> I doubt that entering codes is required mid action during combat. just
> have one of the salvos with extended range missiles go astray towards
> the planet (as in aim differently).
> Codes might be required to authorize a work station to control the
> missiles, but additional codes during the action would slow things
> down and give the other side the rather priceless advantage of
> distracting your crew from fighting the ship effectively by the code
> entry requirement, while the other side is concentrating on killing
> your ship.
>
Point taken, but since "commanding missiles to ignore further commands
from the launching ship (or other allied ships)" is not likely a
'standard procedure' an infected person *could* launch missiles toward a
planet but would be unlikely to be able to prevent others from
triggering the self-destruct measure.


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J'hn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:35:08 -0500, Paul Howard
> <ppaulshoward.RemoveThis@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>> Please check the Infodump here:
>> http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/Harrington/hh_mesan_nanotech
>>
>> If I'm reading it right, David Weber has ruled out "Jim Gunner's actions".
>>
>
> The dreaded 404 servor error raises its ugly head again so we don't
> know to discuss it with you.
>
Can you get here: http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/ ?


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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:02:33 +0200, J'hn1 <jhn1@comcastnet> wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:20:14 -0500, Paul Howard
><ppaulshoward RemoveThis @insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>>Well IIRC David Weber is on record that any action by an infected person
>>that depends on the person's knowledge (such as entering codes) will
>>fail. The Nano-Virus doesn't read minds, it only forces physical
>>actions like grabbing a gun and shooting.
>
>I doubt that entering codes is required mid action during combat. just
>have one of the salvos with extended range missiles go astray towards
>the planet (as in aim differently).
>Codes might be required to authorize a work station to control the
>missiles, but additional codes during the action would slow things
>down and give the other side the rather priceless advantage of
>distracting your crew from fighting the ship effectively by the code
>entry requirement, while the other side is concentrating on killing
>your ship.

I would think special codes would be needed. The computer would by
default refuse any order that risked an Eridani violation.
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