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(Msg. 16) Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 11:15 am
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Hahaha, I tend to agree. On the other hand, it's attractive to keep his work
alive. Didn't work for Frank Herbert though... Does anyone know whether is
is satisfactory to take a subscription to Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine?
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> > From: "Sherm Pendley" <spamtrap RemoveThis @dot-app.org>
> > > The post-Asimov Foundation books by Brin, Bear, and Benford expanded
on
> > > this idea. The robot expansion into space stayed a step ahead of
humans,
> > > wiping out any potential threat with robotic efficiency. The robots
kept
> > > this secret from humans, as knowledge of the multiple genocides done
in
> > > humanity's name would cause widespread emotional trauma among humans.
> What non-Asimovian CRAP!
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> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, Alan Kian-Chye Heah wrote:
> > Yuck! Now that you put it that way, I have to see the robots in a much
more
> > evil, sinister light.
> But of course, since it wasn't Asimov that wrote it, it didn't -really-
> happen.
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> 3ch
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:28 pm
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> > What non-Asimovian CRAP!
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> Frankly, I don't think it's worth getting too worked up about what's
> "canon" and what's not - obviously, ymmv.
I'm not really that worked up about it...
Asimov looked at unintended consequences and tried to resolve them, not
say "how extreme can we go". I could see a book written w/ Daniel &
Giskard discussing the possiblility of having to destroy a race to save
humankind and the entire book being about how to resolve the issue. But
to have it actually happen? No. Giskard would say "We must" and Daniel
would say "I know we must but I an uneasy..." (And I'd love to have seen
how he set up and resolved such a problem). Note that Gaia was already
multi-species. Would it then be so foreign a thought to add another?
> I hate to break it to you, but we're discussing works of *fiction* here.
> None of it *really* happened.
Well of course not. Not yet. There -are- dates in many of the books.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:02 pm
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 colonel_hack.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
> I could see a book written w/ Daniel &
> Giskard discussing the possiblility of having to destroy a race to save
> humankind and the entire book being about how to resolve the issue. But
> to have it actually happen? No. Giskard would say "We must" and Daniel
> would say "I know we must but I an uneasy..."
Of course, I'm wrong here, they couldn't have this conversation. I'm
talking about a time after Daniel/Giskard turnover to Fallon.
> (And I'd love to have seen how he set up and resolved such a problem).
"He" here refers to Dr. Asimov which probably most of you figured out.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:00 am
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Alan Kian-Chye Heah writes:
>I did read an Asimov story, set somewhere amidst the shared universe of the
>Robot and Foundation books, about a really different (read- alien /
>non-human) species, that escaped to the Lesser Magellanic Clouds.
>Could anyone with better records of the Good Doctor's works, enlighten us
>with titles and references to said stories, books and essays, that mentioned
>these fled aliens? Thanks!
The story is called "Blind Alley", and can be found in the story collection
_The Early Asimov_.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:06 am
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>I was just wondering, reading the foundation, what was Asimov's position
>on the galazy sustaining life other than human. I have read from one arm
>of the galaxy to the other, and all there is is humans? I found that
>hard to believe and disheartening. Nothing better than coming to a new
>planet and finding little green men?
As others have noted, Asimov did write stories that included alien races. The
reason the Foundation stories only had humans was so that Asimov could avoid
editorial interference from his editor, John Campbell, who had, um, strong
views on the subject of nonhuman races.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:38 am
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There were the lizard-like Sirian (?) occupiers of Earth in "Black Friar of
the Flame". For a variety of reasons, not one of Asimov's favourite short
stories...
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>I was just wondering, reading the foundation, what was Asimov's position on
>the galazy sustaining life other than human. I have read from one arm of
>the galaxy to the other, and all there is is humans? I found that hard to
>believe and disheartening. Nothing better than coming to a new planet and
>finding little green men?
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:40 pm
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the reason there are no aliens in foundation is that the editor, campbell,
wanted any aliens to be inferior to humans in at least one way ,and asimov
knew this reflected the editors own racist views about whites and blacks, so
asimov got back at him by making the whole galaxy human
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> There were the lizard-like Sirian (?) occupiers of Earth in "Black Friar
of
> the Flame". For a variety of reasons, not one of Asimov's favourite short
> stories...
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> --
> John Fairhurst
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> >I was just wondering, reading the foundation, what was Asimov's position
on
> >the galazy sustaining life other than human. I have read from one arm of
> >the galaxy to the other, and all there is is humans? I found that hard to
> >believe and disheartening. Nothing better than coming to a new planet and
> >finding little green men?
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