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wjvs

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:08 am
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I was wondering how many hours there are in a standard Federation (/
Starfleet) day.

I remember a DS9 episode (though I maybe wrong about this) in which people
discussed a 37,5 hour day.

Can anyone confirm this or another time-period?

WJ

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:08 am
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Willem-Jan van Strien wrote:
 > I was wondering how many hours there are in a standard Federation (/
 > Starfleet) day.
 >
 > I remember a DS9 episode (though I maybe wrong about this) in which people
 > discussed a 37,5 hour day.
 >
 > Can anyone confirm this or another time-period?

IS there a "Standard" day? On DS9 they observerd a 26 hour day because
that was how many hours it took Bajor to rotate.


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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:08 am
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Willem-Jan van Strien wrote:
 >
 > I was wondering how many hours there are in a standard Federation (/
 > Starfleet) day.
 >
 > I remember a DS9 episode (though I maybe wrong about this) in which people
 > discussed a 37,5 hour day.
 >
 > Can anyone confirm this or another time-period?
 >
 > WJ

Best guess is the standard Earth day of 24 hours.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:08 am
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in article vmv71pjiqqtbf8 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com, Sugapablo at
russREMOVE DeleteThis @sugapablo.com wrote on 9/22/03 8:04 PM:

 > Willem-Jan van Strien wrote:
  >> I was wondering how many hours there are in a standard Federation (/
  >> Starfleet) day.
  >>
  >> I remember a DS9 episode (though I maybe wrong about this) in which people
  >> discussed a 37,5 hour day.
  >>
  >> Can anyone confirm this or another time-period?
 >
 > IS there a "Standard" day? On DS9 they observerd a 26 hour day because
 > that was how many hours it took Bajor to rotate.

I recall years ago seeing a bit on TV a news story about a study performed
to see how humans would perform and sleep if they didn't have any reference
to the passage of time from clues like clocks or time of day from being able
to observe sunrise and sunset. IIRC there was a bit in the story about how
astronauts had performed on extended stays on Sky Lab I think it was.

Anyway they have volunteers living in an environment cut off from being able
to see clocks, outside environment or even watch TV which could give them
clues about how time was passing and the longer they stayed in the
experiment the longer they stayed awake and the longer they slept as well.
Without clues their biorhythms began to drift I guess.

The whole idea fascinated me but I've never seen or heard about it since. I
wonder if there's stuff still done on this for future projects like extend
flight to places like Mars mission?

Anyone else see this or something similar?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:31 am
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In article <BB950BD9.1AA20%elvisgump@NOhotmailSPAM.com>, Elvis Gump
<elvisgump.TakeThisOut@NOhotmailSPAM.com> wrote:

 > in article vmv71pjiqqtbf8.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com, Sugapablo at
 > russREMOVE.TakeThisOut@sugapablo.com wrote on 9/22/03 8:04 PM:
 >
  > > Willem-Jan van Strien wrote:
   > >> I was wondering how many hours there are in a standard Federation (/
   > >> Starfleet) day.
   > >>
   > >> I remember a DS9 episode (though I maybe wrong about this) in which people
   > >> discussed a 37,5 hour day.
   > >>
   > >> Can anyone confirm this or another time-period?
  > >
  > > IS there a "Standard" day? On DS9 they observerd a 26 hour day because
  > > that was how many hours it took Bajor to rotate.
 >
 > I recall years ago seeing a bit on TV a news story about a study performed
 > to see how humans would perform and sleep if they didn't have any reference
 > to the passage of time from clues like clocks or time of day from being able
 > to observe sunrise and sunset. IIRC there was a bit in the story about how
 > astronauts had performed on extended stays on Sky Lab I think it was.
 >
 > Anyway they have volunteers living in an environment cut off from being able
 > to see clocks, outside environment or even watch TV which could give them
 > clues about how time was passing and the longer they stayed in the
 > experiment the longer they stayed awake and the longer they slept as well.
 > Without clues their biorhythms began to drift I guess.
 >
 > The whole idea fascinated me but I've never seen or heard about it since. I
 > wonder if there's stuff still done on this for future projects like extend
 > flight to places like Mars mission?
 >
 > Anyone else see this or something similar?


Some experiments have shown that subjects denied clocks and light from
the outside settled into a 42-hour day -- 22 hours awake and 20 asleep.
That ratio of sleep to wakefulness seems excessive, because a) nobody
can sleep for 20 hours straight, and b) people who remain awake for two
or three 24-hour days sleep only for 12 or 14 hours afterward. It
seems, however, that the natural human wake/sleep cycle is not 24
hours, but more like 30 or 32. Nobody has explained why this cycle
doesn't match the planetary day, or even come close.

All higher life forms sleep because their brains require it. Brains
use more energy than the bloodstream can deliver. The energy stored in
the brain is depleted while awake and can be restored only during
sleep. (Brain energy is stored in the glial cells.) This is why
brains start malfunctioning when a person is tired. People
hallucinate, they forget simple things, they slur their speech, vision
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 8:08 am
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in article 230920030031103172%affable@no.com.invalid, Mr. Personality at
affable.TakeThisOut@no.com.invalid wrote on 9/22/03 11:31 PM:

 > In article <BB950BD9.1AA20%elvisgump@NOhotmailSPAM.com>, Elvis Gump
 > <elvisgump.TakeThisOut@NOhotmailSPAM.com> wrote:

   >>> IS there a "Standard" day? On DS9 they observerd a 26 hour day because
   >>> that was how many hours it took Bajor to rotate.

  >> I recall years ago seeing a bit on TV a news story about a study performed
  >> to see how humans would perform and sleep if they didn't have any reference
  >> to the passage of time from clues like clocks or time of day from being able
  >> to observe sunrise and sunset. IIRC there was a bit in the story about how
  >> astronauts had performed on extended stays on Sky Lab I think it was.
  >>
  >> Anyway they have volunteers living in an environment cut off from being able
  >> to see clocks, outside environment or even watch TV which could give them
  >> clues about how time was passing and the longer they stayed in the
  >> experiment the longer they stayed awake and the longer they slept as well.
  >> Without clues their biorhythms began to drift I guess.

  >> The whole idea fascinated me but I've never seen or heard about it since. I
  >> wonder if there's stuff still done on this for future projects like extend
  >> flight to places like Mars mission?
  >>
  >> Anyone else see this or something similar?
 >
 >
 > Some experiments have shown that subjects denied clocks and light from
 > the outside settled into a 42-hour day -- 22 hours awake and 20 asleep.

This is pretty much my wake/sleep cycle.

 > That ratio of sleep to wakefulness seems excessive, because a) nobody
 > can sleep for 20 hours straight, and b) people who remain awake for two
 > or three 24-hour days sleep only for 12 or 14 hours afterward. It
 > seems, however, that the natural human wake/sleep cycle is not 24
 > hours, but more like 30 or 32. Nobody has explained why this cycle
 > doesn't match the planetary day, or even come close.

We aren't indigenous to this planet maybe?

 > All higher life forms sleep because their brains require it. Brains
 > use more energy than the bloodstream can deliver. The energy stored in
 > the brain is depleted while awake and can be restored only during
 > sleep. (Brain energy is stored in the glial cells.) This is why
 > brains start malfunctioning when a person is tired. People
 > hallucinate, they forget simple things, they slur their speech, vision
 > is affected.

Ah, so George Bush is always sleepy and not a lying, war-mongering nutcase.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:48 pm
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"Mr. Personality" <affable.TakeThisOut@no.com.invalid> wrote in message news:<230920030031103172%affable@no.com.invalid>...
 > Some experiments have shown that subjects denied clocks and light from
 > the outside settled into a 42-hour day -- 22 hours awake and 20 asleep.
 > That ratio of sleep to wakefulness seems excessive, because a) nobody
 > can sleep for 20 hours straight, and b) people who remain awake for two
 > or three 24-hour days sleep only for 12 or 14 hours afterward. It
 > seems, however, that the natural human wake/sleep cycle is not 24
 > hours, but more like 30 or 32. Nobody has explained why this cycle
 > doesn't match the planetary day, or even come close.

Actually there was an explanation and it turned out to be wrong.

The original explanation was that the clock that controls the
sleep/wake cycle of *diurnal* creatures (more active in day) runs
long; the clock that controls the nocturnal creatures runs slow. It's
true that if you put rats in the dark all the time they start going on
like a 22-hour schedule. (And by the way, I think that original
experiment may have been discredited, because all the research I've
heard of says the clock is more like 26 hours for humans. So we're
really from Bajor? Smile) We appeared to have two clocks-- one that's
very rigidly 24 hour that controls some unconscious activities like
the digestive system and the temperature cycle, and one looser one
that controls sleep/wake. (This is the cause of jet lag, by the way;
when your sleep/wake is desynchronized from your temperature cycle you
get messed up.)

Now, while this may or may not explain some things, what they've found
out since is that humans are so sensitive to light, the presence of
artificial light acts as a zeitgeber ("timegiver"-- it's the word for
a thing that sets your biological clock). It's the artificial light
that keeps those people up. Actually, in an environment where the
light is very, very dim, people sleep on a 24-hour cycle. It seems
that artificial light can extend the human sleep cycle to 26 hours or
so. (Beyond that would stretch it.)

 > All higher life forms sleep because their brains require it. Brains
 > use more energy than the bloodstream can deliver. The energy stored in
 > the brain is depleted while awake and can be restored only during
 > sleep. (Brain energy is stored in the glial cells.) This is why
 > brains start malfunctioning when a person is tired. People
 > hallucinate, they forget simple things, they slur their speech, vision
 > is affected.

Actually, I'm afraid this is completely untrue. Brains are just as
active while asleep as awake (sometimes moreso); the need for sleep
has *nothing* to do with your brain running out of energy. Here's what
we do know.

- Birds and mammals need to sleep. I think perhaps reptiles as well.
Insects and fish do not.

- All mammals dream. Not sure about birds.

- Dreaming appears to be related to memory processing and may occur as
a side effect of the brain storing and indexing the day's memories,
but we're not sure.

- A human who goes 14 days without sleeping will die. In rats this
appears to be caused by a total shutdown of the immune system. In
humans we have never seen it under controlled experimental conditions
for obvious reasons-- it happens only to people under torture-- so we
aren't sure exactly why.

- A neurotransmitter builds up in the brain (I think it is called
GABA) during the wake cycle. This neurotransmitter seems to exist
solely to shut down the brain and make it go to sleep. High levels of
this transmitter cause the symptoms you mention-- hallucinations (this
actually tends to be caused by micro-sleeps dropping straight into
dream state), bad memory, poor judgement, poor eye-hand coordination,
irritability, and so on. Sleep cleans the transmitter out of the
brain.

- The drug modafinil (sold as Provigil), prescribed to narcoleptics
for 10 years, turns out to be able to block sleep in normal people
with NO APPARENT SIDE EFFECTS. Okay, they may turn up ten years from
now, but currently there are people taking modafinil to stay up as
long as three days with no significant impairment. Modafinil works by
blocking GABA from binding to neurons. So, without GABA in the brain,
the brain continues to function.

- However, during sleep the body and brain perform many important
activities. People who chronically lack sleep have impaired insulin
performance (thus are more likely to get diabetes, get fat, or both),
depressed immune systems, and if they are children, growth impairment.
Memory impairment is also likely given what we know about the use of
REM sleep. So taking a drug that overcomes the short-term effects of
sleepiness does not necessarily substitute for being asleep.

- Dolphins sleep with one half of their brain at a time because they
can never stop swimming, lest they sink-- they need to go to the
surface to breathe every half hour or so. In the case of Star Trek it
is easy to imagine an alien doing the same thing.

As far as Star Trek fan fiction goes, I would say that humans could
realistically be depicted adapting to as long as a 28-hour day, but 24
is probably ideal. Since humans appear to be the dominant species of
the Federation (and Vulcans, the second Feddie species, probably have
much greater control over their bio-clocks and can adapt to anything),
I would guess that on starships, a day is 24 hours. On any planet
between 20-28 hours where there is a high population of humans, the
day is planetary day (and stardates are used to cross-reference across
the galaxy; the stardates are probably based on Earth solar.) If a day
is less than 20 hours or more than 28, the humans will have to create
an artificial 24-hour standard, *but* if there are aliens living
native to that world the humans' time will just have to be desynched
from the aliens' time.

Given that in Trek all humanoid life shares a common origin, it is
probable that the original seeders of humanoid life kept almost all
their species on planets with between a 20-28 hour day or so, since we
never hear about incompatible clocks. One exception might be the
Denobulan homeworld (why would a species evolve that sleeps only once
a year if it has a normal length day?) Only nonhumanoid aliens are
likely to originate from worlds with extremely different day lengths,
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:53 pm
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A 24 hour day sounds reasonable. That would allow 3 watches lasting 8
hours. The different watches wouldn't necessarily need the same number of
personal on duty.

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"Willem-Jan van Strien" <wjvs.DeleteThis@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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 > I was wondering how many hours there are in a standard Federation (/
 > Starfleet) day.
 >
 > I remember a DS9 episode (though I maybe wrong about this) in which people
 > discussed a 37,5 hour day.
 >
 > Can anyone confirm this or another time-period?
 >
 > WJ
 >
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:37 pm
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Did anyone read these two first novels from the Voyager relaunch?

I really enjoyed them and they offered further evidence that the Trek
universe has not run out of quality stories, even if they television
writers have.

One thing that was interesting was that this book apparently takes place
before Nemesis and includes Janeway becoming an Admiral, and contains
what might be Data's last adventure prior to it.

I definitely like the idea of the Royal Protocol. The idea that a new
queen could always be created to bring together the drones. This helps
explain a lot of seeming contradictions between the Voyaher and First
Contact (and even two different Borg actresses).

The best part about the book was the return to true social commentary as
it really put a finger on the issues of threat vs. freedoms we face
right now in the US.

If only the TV series writers could come up with stories as good as what
I've been reading in the VOY and DS9 relaunches and New Frontier.


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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:40 pm
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Not sure how this came up in the middle of another thread. *shrugs*

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:45 pm
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Mr. Personality wrote:
 > Some experiments have shown that subjects denied clocks and light from
 > the outside settled into a 42-hour day -- 22 hours awake and 20
 > asleep. That ratio of sleep to wakefulness seems excessive, because
 > a) nobody can sleep for 20 hours straight, and b) people who remain
 > awake for two or three 24-hour days sleep only for 12 or 14 hours
 > afterward. It seems, however, that the natural human wake/sleep
 > cycle is not 24 hours, but more like 30 or 32. Nobody has explained
 > why this cycle doesn't match the planetary day, or even come close.

Several years ago (I suppose 5 or 6) a friend of mine participated in the
Biology Olympiad (a contest for middle school students). One of the
questions was related to this, and it said that humans have a biological
rythm of 24.5 hours. So either you are wrong, or the olympiad was wrong (or
both ^_^). Can you cite a source for your figures?

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:59 pm
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In article <BB9585C6.1AB36%elvisgump@NOhotmailSPAM.com>, Elvis Gump
<elvisgump.DeleteThis@NOhotmailSPAM.com> wrote:

 > in article 230920030031103172%affable@no.com.invalid, Mr. Personality at
 > affable.DeleteThis@no.com.invalid wrote on 9/22/03 11:31 PM:

  > > That ratio of sleep to wakefulness seems excessive, because a) nobody
  > > can sleep for 20 hours straight, and b) people who remain awake for two
  > > or three 24-hour days sleep only for 12 or 14 hours afterward. It
  > > seems, however, that the natural human wake/sleep cycle is not 24
  > > hours, but more like 30 or 32. Nobody has explained why this cycle
  > > doesn't match the planetary day, or even come close.
 >
 > We aren't indigenous to this planet maybe?


We are, though. Our place in the evolution of life here is proven, and
our DNA proves it. The whole "Adam and Eve were from space" thing is
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:59 pm
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in article 230920032059395990%affable@no.com.invalid, Mr. Personality at
affable.TakeThisOut@no.com.invalid wrote on 9/23/03 7:59 PM:

> In article <BB9585C6.1AB36%elvisgump@NOhotmailSPAM.com>, Elvis Gump
> <elvisgump.TakeThisOut@NOhotmailSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> in article 230920030031103172%affable@no.com.invalid, Mr. Personality at
>> affable.TakeThisOut@no.com.invalid wrote on 9/22/03 11:31 PM:
>
>>> That ratio of sleep to wakefulness seems excessive, because a) nobody
>>> can sleep for 20 hours straight, and b) people who remain awake for two
>>> or three 24-hour days sleep only for 12 or 14 hours afterward. It
>>> seems, however, that the natural human wake/sleep cycle is not 24
>>> hours, but more like 30 or 32. Nobody has explained why this cycle
>>> doesn't match the planetary day, or even come close.
>>
>> We aren't indigenous to this planet maybe?
>
>
> We are, though. Our place in the evolution of life here is proven, and
> our DNA proves it. The whole "Adam and Eve were from space" thing is
> out the window, I'm afraid.

Really? If the DNA for all the species here came from space how would we
know? Sure go ahead an laugh, but when some alien shows up with a book
called "To Serve Man" you won't be laughing...
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:59 pm
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In article <bkpfbi$49835$1@ID-136341.news.uni-berlin.de>, Unforgiven
<jaapd3000.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

 > Mr. Personality wrote:
  > > Some experiments have shown that subjects denied clocks and light from
  > > the outside settled into a 42-hour day -- 22 hours awake and 20
  > > asleep. That ratio of sleep to wakefulness seems excessive, because
  > > a) nobody can sleep for 20 hours straight, and b) people who remain
  > > awake for two or three 24-hour days sleep only for 12 or 14 hours
  > > afterward. It seems, however, that the natural human wake/sleep
  > > cycle is not 24 hours, but more like 30 or 32. Nobody has explained
  > > why this cycle doesn't match the planetary day, or even come close.
 >
 > Several years ago (I suppose 5 or 6) a friend of mine participated in the
 > Biology Olympiad (a contest for middle school students). One of the
 > questions was related to this, and it said that humans have a biological
 > rythm of 24.5 hours. So either you are wrong, or the olympiad was wrong (or
 > both ^_^). Can you cite a source for your figures?


I googled on "length of day" experiment sleep, and came up with all
sorts of things, which I then boiled down.

I'm not dismissing out of hand what the middle school students did, but
I don't know what the experiment was, or what it was suppsoed to prove,
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:59 pm
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In article <BB96624F.1AD35%elvisgump@NOhotmailSPAM.com>, Elvis Gump
<elvisgump.TakeThisOut@NOhotmailSPAM.com> wrote:

> in article 230920032059395990%affable@no.com.invalid, Mr. Personality at
> affable.TakeThisOut@no.com.invalid wrote on 9/23/03 7:59 PM:
>
> > In article <BB9585C6.1AB36%elvisgump@NOhotmailSPAM.com>, Elvis Gump
> > <elvisgump.TakeThisOut@NOhotmailSPAM.com> wrote:
> >
> >> in article 230920030031103172%affable@no.com.invalid, Mr. Personality at
> >> affable.TakeThisOut@no.com.invalid wrote on 9/22/03 11:31 PM:
> >
> >>> That ratio of sleep to wakefulness seems excessive, because a) nobody
> >>> can sleep for 20 hours straight, and b) people who remain awake for two
> >>> or three 24-hour days sleep only for 12 or 14 hours afterward. It
> >>> seems, however, that the natural human wake/sleep cycle is not 24
> >>> hours, but more like 30 or 32. Nobody has explained why this cycle
> >>> doesn't match the planetary day, or even come close.
> >>
> >> We aren't indigenous to this planet maybe?
> >
> >
> > We are, though. Our place in the evolution of life here is proven, and
> > our DNA proves it. The whole "Adam and Eve were from space" thing is
> > out the window, I'm afraid.
>
> Really? If the DNA for all the species here came from space how would we
> know? Sure go ahead an laugh, but when some alien shows up with a book
> called "To Serve Man" you won't be laughing...


Oh, yes, I will. *That* would be priceless.
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