Storm's Punk phase...

"Christian Smith" <christian DeleteThis @smith.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:32:08 -0800 (PST),Hand-of-Omega
> <handofomega DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote
>
>>I wasn't tuned into the fan networks back then, wasthere any
>>controversy over this, or did most fans like the idea? I do recall
>>that she looked like that for a good long while, longer than she had
>>her original look? Also, I don't recall a reason ever being given for
>>why she went back to her "classic" look? Was it just because Jim Lee
>>and friends had more influence with Marvel and wanted the X-Men
>>looking the way they did back when they were kids reading it (note the
>>return of yellow and blue Wolverine, for no reason)?
>>
> In the storyline she went from Punk to Goddess hair pre- Fall of the
> Mutants when her and Forge spent an undetermined age in a sidereal
> dimension
> IIRC, it was Jackson Guise. (sp?) Marc Silvestri etc who were drawing
> This was WAAAAAY before Jim Lee ever came near the title
>
> Christian
> --
> I take this from YOU? I'm getting lectured on child
> safety from a man who's gone through four Robins?
> Flash 233

Do you remember the Barry Smith issues with punk goddess Storm? Whatever
happened to him?
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Hand-of-Omega wrote:
> I wasn't tuned into the fan networks back then, wasthere any
> controversy over this, or did most fans like the idea?

There wasn't much of any controversy. The vast majority of fans ate it
up. The 80s were all about doing outlandish things to your hair. I
don't think it's much of a coincidence that we had Storm's mohawk,
Rogue's stripes, and Psylocke's purple locks all coming about in the
same period.

> I do recall that she looked like that for a good long while,
> longer than she had her original look?

The mohawk lasted about 50 issues: from 173 to about 220-something
(225-227; don't remember the exact issue). So, "a good long while,"
yes, but not longer than she had her original look.

> Also, I don't recall a reason ever being given for why she went
> back to her "classic" look?

As Christian wrote, she and Forge spent time in an alternate
dimension, during which she traveled around the world to Africa and
back again. This took many months. When she returned, she had her
normal hair back.

I don't recall there being an out-of-story reason.

> Was it just because Jim Lee and friends had more influence with
> Marvel and wanted the X-Men looking the way they did back when
> they were kids reading it (note the return of yellow and blue
> Wolverine, for no reason)?

Jim Lee had no influence at the time. This was before he came around.
Silvestri was the artist at the time. Perhaps he had something to do
with it. It was 1988, however, and this style/fad had pretty much run
its course by then.

Kinda OT, but Wolverine did have an in-story reason for going back to
his yellow/blue suit. He felt a return to his original suit was in
order for symbolic reasons when he was learning about Weapon X and all
of the mind control things they did to him.
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The Black Guardian <blakgard.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in
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> Hand-of-Omega wrote:

> As Christian wrote, she and Forge spent time in an alternate
> dimension, during which she traveled around the world to Africa and
> back again. This took many months. When she returned, she had her
> normal hair back.

I don't think it was "normal". Maybe it was just Silvestri, but Storm
looked like she shaved back parts of her hair so that she had the mohawk
and =part= of the sides grown in. It was a weird look. It seemed like
it was years before she got normal hair again.

> I don't recall there being an out-of-story reason.

Creative choice I'd guess.

> Kinda OT, but Wolverine did have an in-story reason for going back to
> his yellow/blue suit. He felt a return to his original suit was in
> order for symbolic reasons when he was learning about Weapon X and all
> of the mind control things they did to him.

I prefer the yellow and blue but the browns certainly made more sense
in-story.
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On Dec 20, 3:12 am, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAM....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Black Guardian <blakg....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote innews:0aacc91c-2353-4725-a47a-da1a8c223c1d@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Hand-of-Omega wrote:
> > As Christian wrote, she and Forge spent time in an alternate
> > dimension, during which she traveled around the world to Africa and
> > back again. This took many months. When she returned, she had her
> > normal hair back.
>
> I don't think it was "normal". Maybe it was just Silvestri, but Storm
> looked like she shaved back parts of her hair so that she had the mohawk
> and =part= of the sides grown in. It was a weird look. It seemed like
> it was years before she got normal hair again.
>

Yup. It was a sort of really long version of a mohawk. The sides
were still shaved down but the long top layers fell down to cover most
of the shorter parts. It was a gradual layered grow out.
The full grow out really took hold with the relaunch of
(Adjectiveless) X-Men and Jim Lee's designs being in full swing (after
she'd been de-aged, re-aged, head shaven as a mutate etc). Her hair
was back to long and one length with X-Men #1.
Later she would get the anime haircut under Joe Madureira which was
suddenly grown out under the pen of Carlos Pacheco after Operation
Zero Tolerance.
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Jinx wrote:
> Dan McEwen wrote:
>> The Black Guardian wrote:
>>> As Christian wrote, she and Forge spent time in an alternate
>>> dimension, during which she traveled around the world to Africa
>>> and back again. This took many months. When she returned, she
>>> had her normal hair back.
>>
>> I don't think it was "normal". Maybe it was just Silvestri, but
>> Storm looked like she shaved back parts of her hair so that she
>> had the mohawk and =part= of the sides grown in. It was a weird
>> look. It seemed like it was years before she got normal hair
>> again.
>
> Yup. It was a sort of really long version of a mohawk. The sides
> were still shaved down but the long top layers fell down to cover
> most of the shorter parts. It was a gradual layered grow out.
> The full grow out really took hold with the relaunch of
> (Adjectiveless) X-Men and Jim Lee's designs being in full swing
> (after she'd been de-aged, re-aged, head shaven as a mutate etc).
> Her hair was back to long and one length with X-Men #1.
> Later she would get the anime haircut under Joe Madureira which was
> suddenly grown out under the pen of Carlos Pacheco after Operation
> Zero Tolerance.

I always thought it was just the way Silvestri wanted to depict her
with a full head of hair... mostly because Storm's hair was extremely
full, and no one has that much hair when they have a mohawk.
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The Black Guardian <blakgard DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in
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> Jinx wrote:
>> Dan McEwen wrote:
>>> The Black Guardian wrote:
>>>> As Christian wrote, she and Forge spent time in an alternate
>>>> dimension, during which she traveled around the world to Africa
>>>> and back again. This took many months. When she returned, she
>>>> had her normal hair back.
>>>
>>> I don't think it was "normal". Maybe it was just Silvestri, but
>>> Storm looked like she shaved back parts of her hair so that she
>>> had the mohawk and =part= of the sides grown in. It was a weird
>>> look. It seemed like it was years before she got normal hair
>>> again.
>>
>> Yup. It was a sort of really long version of a mohawk. The sides
>> were still shaved down but the long top layers fell down to cover
>> most of the shorter parts. It was a gradual layered grow out.
>> The full grow out really took hold with the relaunch of
>> (Adjectiveless) X-Men and Jim Lee's designs being in full swing
>> (after she'd been de-aged, re-aged, head shaven as a mutate etc).
>> Her hair was back to long and one length with X-Men #1.
>> Later she would get the anime haircut under Joe Madureira which was
>> suddenly grown out under the pen of Carlos Pacheco after Operation
>> Zero Tolerance.
>
> I always thought it was just the way Silvestri wanted to depict her
> with a full head of hair... mostly because Storm's hair was extremely
> full, and no one has that much hair when they have a mohawk.

That's possible but it was an artistic style I didn't like. I didn't
hurt me or affect my enjoyment of the book, but it just looked weird.
Actually, her hair general look right now is my favorite since pre-punk.
Then again, this pretty much is her pre-punk look.
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Also worth noting, Storm had been without her powers for some time,
and recovered them in that same issue.

Wolverine going back to the yellow/blue costume happened at a time
when the book seemed to be going back to an earlier status quo:
Xavier returned to Earth, the team moved back into the mansion, the
original 5 stopped being X-Factor, Magneto was the bad guy...etc.
etc. Claremont left around this time, and the X-Men became "MUTANT
ACTION STRIKE FORCE!" and wasn't very good. X-Factor made up for it,
though; that was when Peter David started his run.
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"Nathan P. Mahney" <npmahney.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
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> I still think they should give Claremont his own X-Men book set in its
> own continuity. Let him pick any moment he wants in X-Men history as
> a jumping-on point, and go from there.

Didn't they just give him Exiles, with an all-Claremont-created
roster?
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On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:14:56 -0000, Billy Bissette
<baines RemoveThis @coastalnet.com> wrote:

>"Nathan P. Mahney" <npmahney RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>news:fqgo0h$146$1@otis.netspace.net.au:
>
>> I still think they should give Claremont his own X-Men book set in its
>> own continuity. Let him pick any moment he wants in X-Men history as
>> a jumping-on point, and go from there.
>
> Didn't they just give him Exiles, with an all-Claremont-created
>roster?

As far as I know, he's going to be doing both...and this new one may
only be mini series...I'm not sure...there was a poll a while back (on
the Marvel's site, I think) about what Claremont's next project should
be and this was one of the options and, apparently, the one people
preferred...I don't even remember any of the other options.
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"grinningdemon" <grinningdemon DeleteThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:14:56 -0000, Billy Bissette
> <baines DeleteThis @coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
> >"Nathan P. Mahney" <npmahney DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> >news:fqgo0h$146$1@otis.netspace.net.au:
> >
> >> I still think they should give Claremont his own X-Men book set in its
> >> own continuity. Let him pick any moment he wants in X-Men history as
> >> a jumping-on point, and go from there.
> >
> > Didn't they just give him Exiles, with an all-Claremont-created
> >roster?
>
> As far as I know, he's going to be doing both...and this new one may
> only be mini series...I'm not sure...there was a poll a while back (on
> the Marvel's site, I think) about what Claremont's next project should
> be and this was one of the options and, apparently, the one people
> preferred...I don't even remember any of the other options.

Yeah, but Exiles doesn't count - it has its own concept apart from what the
X-Men are about.. I will be giving GeNext a shot (I think that is the
title), as it looks like being as close as I'm ever going to get to the
title I want. What I'd prefer is a title that kicks off exactly where his
run ended in 1991 - but you can't win 'em all. Hopefully Claremont can use
GeNext to tell all the stories he hasn't been allowed to for many years.
Although I have the sneaking suspicion that it's a mini - any confirmation?

- Nathan P. Mahney -
http://www.thecomicnerd.com
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:54:44 +1100, "Nathan P. Mahney"
<npmahney.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
>"grinningdemon" <grinningdemon.DeleteThis@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:14:56 -0000, Billy Bissette
>> <baines.DeleteThis@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"Nathan P. Mahney" <npmahney.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> >news:fqgo0h$146$1@otis.netspace.net.au:
>> >
>> >> I still think they should give Claremont his own X-Men book set in its
>> >> own continuity. Let him pick any moment he wants in X-Men history as
>> >> a jumping-on point, and go from there.
>> >
>> > Didn't they just give him Exiles, with an all-Claremont-created
>> >roster?
>>
>> As far as I know, he's going to be doing both...and this new one may
>> only be mini series...I'm not sure...there was a poll a while back (on
>> the Marvel's site, I think) about what Claremont's next project should
>> be and this was one of the options and, apparently, the one people
>> preferred...I don't even remember any of the other options.
>
>Yeah, but Exiles doesn't count - it has its own concept apart from what the
>X-Men are about.. I will be giving GeNext a shot (I think that is the
>title), as it looks like being as close as I'm ever going to get to the
>title I want. What I'd prefer is a title that kicks off exactly where his
>run ended in 1991 - but you can't win 'em all. Hopefully Claremont can use
>GeNext to tell all the stories he hasn't been allowed to for many years.
>Although I have the sneaking suspicion that it's a mini - any confirmation?
>
>- Nathan P. Mahney -
>http://www.thecomicnerd.com
>

I think it's a mini...it was reported on Newsarama as being mentioned
in passing at one of the panels at Wonder Con...but I don't remember
which panel it was so I can't post a link.

Personally, I have little interest in an out-of-continuity X-book
unless it is truly distinctive...this sounds like it could be fun
(probably best as a mini) but I don't think I would appreciate your
idea for a Claremont-written series...now, that said, I wouldn't mind
a mini series set in that X-Men era written by Claremont...but it
wouldn't necessarily have to be out of continuity...in fact, it might
be fun to see him revist other eras of the X-Men as well...they used
to do that sort of thing in side projects but I guess those went out
of style in the 90s.
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"Nathan P. Mahney" <npmahney.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
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>
> "grinningdemon" <grinningdemon.TakeThisOut@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:14:56 -0000, Billy Bissette
>> <baines.TakeThisOut@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"Nathan P. Mahney" <npmahney.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> >news:fqgo0h$146$1@otis.netspace.net.au:
>> >
>> >> I still think they should give Claremont his own X-Men book set in
>> >> its own continuity. Let him pick any moment he wants in X-Men
>> >> history as a jumping-on point, and go from there.
>> >
>> > Didn't they just give him Exiles, with an all-Claremont-created
>> >roster?
>>
>> As far as I know, he's going to be doing both...and this new one may
>> only be mini series...I'm not sure...there was a poll a while back
>> (on the Marvel's site, I think) about what Claremont's next project
>> should be and this was one of the options and, apparently, the one
>> people preferred...I don't even remember any of the other options.
>
> Yeah, but Exiles doesn't count - it has its own concept apart from
> what the X-Men are about.. I will be giving GeNext a shot (I think
> that is the title), as it looks like being as close as I'm ever going
> to get to the title I want. What I'd prefer is a title that kicks off
> exactly where his run ended in 1991 - but you can't win 'em all.
> Hopefully Claremont can use GeNext to tell all the stories he hasn't
> been allowed to for many years. Although I have the sneaking suspicion
> that it's a mini - any confirmation?

He could probably sneak such an idea through as a six-issue
extended Exiles arc, where they just happen to end up in a reality
that is similar to the 1991 end of his run.

Though Marvel might expect such an idea to sell better on its own.
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On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:54:44 +1100, Nathan P. Mahney wrote:

>
> "grinningdemon" <grinningdemon DeleteThis @austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:14:56 -0000, Billy Bissette
>> <baines DeleteThis @coastalnet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"Nathan P. Mahney" <npmahney DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> >news:fqgo0h$146$1@otis.netspace.net.au:
>> >
>> >> I still think they should give Claremont his own X-Men book set in
>> >> its own continuity. Let him pick any moment he wants in X-Men
>> >> history as a jumping-on point, and go from there.
>> >
>> > Didn't they just give him Exiles, with an all-Claremont-created
>> >roster?
>>
>> As far as I know, he's going to be doing both...and this new one may
>> only be mini series...I'm not sure...there was a poll a while back (on
>> the Marvel's site, I think) about what Claremont's next project should
>> be and this was one of the options and, apparently, the one people
>> preferred...I don't even remember any of the other options.
>
> Yeah, but Exiles doesn't count - it has its own concept apart from what
> the X-Men are about.. I will be giving GeNext a shot (I think that is the
> title), as it looks like being as close as I'm ever going to get to the
> title I want. What I'd prefer is a title that kicks off exactly where his
> run ended in 1991 -


I think I'd like that too. But I don't think it will happen. And I'm not
sure Claremont would write it now the way he would have if he'd continued
the run back then.


> but you can't win 'em all. Hopefully Claremont can
> use GeNext to tell all the stories he hasn't been allowed to for many
> years. Although I have the sneaking suspicion that it's a mini - any
> confirmation?
>
> - Nathan P. Mahney -
> http://www.thecomicnerd.com
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