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cmashieldscapt

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:28 am
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It seems like about every week the message board on the official Ray
Bradbury website gets a request for a story ID. Once in awhile the
story actually is by Bradbury (surprise!) but of those which are not,
many have proven to be by Asimov, as can be seen by checking the
following thread: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=6047da4.030...0303.31

WARNING! This is the Google version of the thread, so those here with
a violent aversion to Google Groups can search for it their own damn
self. A few of the more recent postings should still appear on
rec.arts.sf.written and we are still looking at the last one possibly
being an obscure/early Asimov story.

Part 2 of my question/comment is, if a lot of questions of "did Asimov
write this story" turn up here, and he didn't, you may want to check
this thread for possible solutions, or, if there's a way of finding
the still-unsolved ones, I'd be particularly able to help on those
which turn out to be by Bradbury.

Hope this proves of interest here.

Cori

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:56 pm
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Cori wrote:
 > Hope this proves of interest here.

It certainly seems relevant to a recent Simpsons thread. Surprised

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:43 pm
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In article <6047da4.0401130728.7b4d4d4c DeleteThis @posting.google.com>,
cmashieldscapting DeleteThis @hotmail.com (Cori) writes:

 >It seems like about every week the message board on the
 >official Ray Bradbury website gets a request for a story ID.

My impression is that both Ray Bradbury and Issac Asimov
had interesting friends whose experiences suggested
story plots.

My favorite Bradbury scenes are the "Something Wicked
This Way Comes" scene where the librarian stops the
wicked witch dead with his smile, and the "Dandelion Wine"
scene where Grandma regains her cooking ability after
Grandpa and the boarders packed Aunt Rose's bags and
sent Aunt Rose home.

As a teen I read an Issac Asimov novel where teens
were eating pills that made them permanently disappear.
I remember the novel's plot well, but I don't remember
the novel's title and I have not been able to reconstruct
the title.

As a teen I also read a memorable novel "The Immortal",
author not remembered. "The Immortal" is a popular novel
title -- I'm still looking for the proper version.

I got no problems.
Other people got problems.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:43 pm
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Richard Ballard wrote:
 > As a teen I read an Issac Asimov novel where teens
 > were eating pills that made them permanently disappear.
 > I remember the novel's plot well, but I don't remember
 > the novel's title and I have not been able to reconstruct
 > the title.
 >

I can guarantee that Issac Asimov never wrote any such story. In fact,
IIRC, Issac Asimov never wrote anything.

Moreover, Isaac Asimov, the sf writer, never wrote any such story,
either. Smile<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:44 pm
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Cori wrote:

 > It seems like about every week the message board on the official Ray
 > Bradbury website gets a request for a story ID. Once in awhile the
 > story actually is by Bradbury (surprise!) but of those which are not,
 > many have proven to be by Asimov, as can be seen by checking the
<font color=purple> > following thread: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=6047da4.0301200303.31ac4770%40posting.google.com&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DBogus%2BBradbury%2BStory%2BIDs%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D6047da4.0301200303.31ac4770%2540posting.google.com%26rnum%3D2</font" target="_blank">http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=6047da4.030...0303.31</a>>
 >
 > WARNING! This is the Google version of the thread, so those here with
 > a violent aversion to Google Groups can search for it their own damn
 > self. A few of the more recent postings should still appear on
 > rec.arts.sf.written and we are still looking at the last one possibly
 > being an obscure/early Asimov story.
 >

IIRC the one that was never resolved on rasw was the "murderous music"
one. Asimov did write an early story ("The Secret Sense") in which a
human is arguing with a Martian friend over the superiority of the human
sesnse. The Martian retorts that Martians have a sense for which humans
have no equivalent, although if treated with a drug they can acquire the
sense temporarily, and only once. The human demands to be so treated,
experiences the wonderous joy this "secret sense" provides, but then
realizes with horror that he'll never be able to experience it again.

 > Part 2 of my question/comment is, if a lot of questions of "did Asimov
 > write this story" turn up here, and he didn't, you may want to check
 > this thread for possible solutions, or, if there's a way of finding
 > the still-unsolved ones, I'd be particularly able to help on those
 > which turn out to be by Bradbury.
 >

It hasn't really been a problem. So far the biggest contender for a
story attributed to Asimov which is really by Bradbury is pretty
consistently "A Sound of Thunder." And if people get stuck here, we
send 'em on over to rasw. But now, of course, we can point them to you.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:55 am
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John Jenkins <jhjenkins DeleteThis @mac.com> wrote in message news:

 > It hasn't really been a problem. So far the biggest contender for a
 > story attributed to Asimov which is really by Bradbury is pretty
 > consistently "A Sound of Thunder." And if people get stuck here, we
 > send 'em on over to rasw. But now, of course, we can point them to you.
 > Smile

Gee, thanks. The two we get all the time which ARE by Bradbury are "A
Sound of Thunder" and "All Summer in a Day," in that order, with a
smattering of others, while the thread I cited contains a wide array
of stories falsely attributed to him. Asimov is the author whose name
understandably appears most often, though I believe the only story of
his actually mentioned more than once was "Nightfall." Certain other
stories, "The Nine Billion Names of God," by Clarke, "Examination
Day," by Henry Slesar, and "Harrison Bergeron" by Vonnegut, have tied
or beaten Asimov for number of times mentioned. (Bradbury was just a
teensy...tinesy...bit insulted to hear VONNEGUT!)

Anyway, for those of you with book IDs for which rasw has failed, may
I suggest the "Booksleuth" forum at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.abebooks.com" target="_blank">www.abebooks.com</a> as another
option.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:49 am
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John Jenkins wrote:
 > I can guarantee that Issac Asimov never wrote any such story. In fact,
 > IIRC, Issac Asimov never wrote anything.

The back cover blurb on my copy of Science, Numbers, and I unambiguously
identifies the author as Issac Asimov [sic].

That must have stuck in his craw.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:09 am
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John Jenkins <jhjenkins DeleteThis @mac.com> wrote in message news:

 > IIRC the one that was never resolved on rasw was the "murderous music"
 > one. Asimov did write an early story ("The Secret Sense") in which a
 > human is arguing with a Martian friend over the superiority of the human
 > sesnse. The Martian retorts that Martians have a sense for which humans
 > have no equivalent, although if treated with a drug they can acquire the
 > sense temporarily, and only once. The human demands to be so treated,
 > experiences the wonderous joy this "secret sense" provides, but then
 > realizes with horror that he'll never be able to experience it again.

This reply came by way of the newsgroups rec.arts.books.childrens and
rec.arts.sf.written at Google Groups:

It almost certainly is not a recent radio piece written by broadcaster
Armando Ianucci (I'm not sure about his name, I dare say it'll be the
Lady of Shalott thing again - look up various spellings in Google.com
is what I mean) which described the Museum of Lost Keyboards, an
exotic and fictional collection of keyboard instruments. The last
exhibit was a masterwork whose music is so sublime that whilst not
lethal in itself, it makes all
sensory experiences afterwards disappointing.

However, wasn't it Pythagoras who first told us (or, rather, told his
secret club, I suppose) that as you develop a taste for finer things,
you lose interest in those less fine - or, at least, you ought to do?
So it goes back quite a long way.

But in neither case was it a matter of mixing together the best music
in the world. I think that's what the LP albums on the Voyager
spacecraft do. (And if the ships landed back on Earth now then how
many people would be able to play the disc...)

(Not that sending CDs would have helped, either - nor DVDs; they're
being replaced, too.)

Robert Carnegie

This isn't the last remaining unsolved one; there are two or three
others I'll try to rustle up for ya.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:31 am
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Okay! Here are the four remaining "older unsolved" non-Bradbury
stories, three of which didn't even draw a decent GUESS! About an
equal number of "newer unsolved" have been recently posted on
rec.arts.books.childrens and rec.arts.sf.written.

1. Murderous Music

My father once told me the story of a machine that mixed together the
world's best music, and upon listening to this new song, men would
die. In his old age my father cannot remember the title nor the
author, but believes it may be a Ray Bradbury short story from "I Sing
the Body Electric." Is this possible? Does anyone know the title?
Thank you for your assistance.
Sincerely,
Ned Conway

"Tomorrow's Child?!" from...Body Electric was suggested. I replied
this isn't it.
Cori

From: Barbara-MLG
I read a story in the 60s that sounds a bit like this - of course I
don't remember anything identifying about it except that it was in a
2d-hand pulp sf mag. It was about a ship that landed on a planet of
beautiful architecture and art, with everyone dead in a sort of
auditorium. The bodies were mummified and it had obviously happened a
long time ago. The narrator was a musician and was constantly at odds
with his captain who was tone-deaf and had no patience with artsy
stuff. It turned out that the auditorium was a magnifier or
intensifier of sound and some of the exploring crew set it off with
music, trapping themselves in a super-intense aesthetic experience.
The captain being immune to the aesthetic side, though battered by the
sound waves, manages to drag them out and save their lives. Not much
help, though. Sorry.

This reply came from Beth Friedman by way of the newsgroup
rec.arts.books.childrens at Google Groups:
Again, it's probably not the one you have in mind, but one of Arthur
C. Clarke's Tales from the White Hart is about some music that is so
entrancing that people can't do anything but listen to it.

This reply came from Peter Meilinger by way of
rec.arts.books.childrens:
That's the first one I thought of, too. Looking online for the table
of contents, I'm about 100% sure it must be The Ultimate Melody,
written in 1956. It doesn't sound quite like the story in question,
but it's well worth reading. The whole Tales From The White Hart
collection is great, actually.
Pete

From: Cori
The same idea was used in the novel "Elidor," by Alan Garner, but that
music only held people spellbound. Enthralled, but didn't kill 'em.

These replies came from the BookSleuth forum on Abebooks:

From: Browsers
Almost certainly not the story you're looking for, but your
description reminded me of it, so...

The short story "Buzz" by Rudy Rucker (found in The 57th Franz Kafka)
is about a youth who mixes different cuts from rock songs together
with a strange recording obtained from a piece of Egyptian pottery
(read the story to find out how), resulting in a sound that doesn't
kill anyone, but if you're not making love when the sound hits you, it
sends you to Mars or something like that.

From:  jent
The Ultimate Melody only affected the man who discovered it, before
his gadget was switched off. He was left totally catatonic. But it
does sound a good match, if the poster is remembering a little
incorrectly. Perhaps The Sound Sweep by J G Ballard, but then again ,
more insanity than death.
Jen in Melbourne

From:  signalertx
I remember reading a story by Isaac Asimov, not one of his more well
known stories, about a machine or computer that generated music which
had a bad or negative effect on people.  The machine was shut down or
destroyed by the assistant to the scientist.  It seems that the
assistant was tone deaf.  Sorry that I cannot remember the title.  It
was not in any of his Robot story collections, if that is any help.

This reply came by way of the newsgroups rec.arts.books.childrens and
rec.arts.sf.written at Google Groups:

It almost certainly is not a recent radio piece written by
broadcaster Armando Ianucci (I'm not sure about his name, I dare say
it'll be the Lady of Shalott thing again - look up various spellings
in Google.com is what I mean) which described the Museum of Lost
Keyboards, an exotic and fictional collection of keyboard
instruments. The last exhibit was a masterwork whose music is so
sublime that whilst not lethal in itself, it makes all sensory
experiences afterwards disappointing.

However, wasn't it Pythagoras who first told us (or, rather, told his
secret club, I suppose) that as you develop a taste for finer things,
you lose interest in those less fine - or, at least, you ought to do?
So it goes back quite a long way.

But in neither case was it a matter of mixing together the best music
in the world. I think that's what the LP albums on the Voyager
spacecraft do. (And if the ships landed back on Earth now then how
many people would be able to play the disc...)

(Not that sending CDs would have helped, either - nor DVDs; they're
being replaced, too.)

Robert Carnegie

2. Lost Son

From: soooperman
This is going to be rather difficult. I once read a story by Ray
Bradbury in a collection of short stories. I have only faint memories
of it, but I remember immensely enjoying the story. Perhaps someone
here can help me. The setting seemed to be of war time, or of general
chaos. A mother and son are at home, waiting for the father. The
father doesn't arrive for a long period. There is violence on the
streets, they fear for his life. The son goes out to look for the
father, the mother is hesitant. A few hours later, the father returns
home, the son never does. Does anyone know what story this is? If
you do, please respond.. this has been playing on my mind for a few
years now.

3. Soul Stealer

From: EvanM
Hello, I'm trying to find the source of a plot fragment that may have
come from an RB story:
A woman offers a small child a bag of jellybeans, telling the child to
pick just one. The child takes one and just as he's about to eat it,
she snatches the jellybean away and says "There! Now I have your
soul!" Any help tracking down the origin of this plot fragment would
be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

4. Limited Vocabulary

From: N_Webster
I have recently heard of a Ray Bradbury story that centered around a
totalitrian society which continually reduced the citizens' rights,
even their vocabulary, until the citizens were left with only one word
to use. This word was the title of the short story. Does anyone know
the title of this story? Thanks!

Cori
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 2:35 am
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In article <20040113114337.06226.00002376.DeleteThis@mb-m19.aol.com>,
rball84213.DeleteThis@aol.com (Richard Ballard) writes:

 >In article <6047da4.0401130728.7b4d4d4c.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>,
 >cmashieldscapting@hotmail.com (Cori) writes:
 >
  >>It seems like about every week the message board on the
  >>official Ray Bradbury website gets a request for a story ID.
 >
 >My impression is that both Ray Bradbury and Issac Asimov
 >had interesting friends whose experiences suggested
 >story plots.
 >
 >My favorite Bradbury scenes are the "Something Wicked
 >This Way Comes" scene where the librarian stops the
 >wicked witch dead with his smile, and the "Dandelion Wine"
 >scene where Grandma regains her cooking ability after
 >Grandpa and the boarders packed Aunt Rose's bags and
 >sent Aunt Rose home.

I truly enjoyed the first three books of Asimov's "Foundation"
series -- originally the "Foundation" series was a trilogy.
(I read the fourth and fifth books when they were published,
but felt their plots were weaker than the plots of the original
trilogy.)

There is a passage in the original trilogy where seekers from
the First Foundation are exploring the galaxy's periphery
seeking scientific information that will lead them to the
Second Foundation. The land on a backward planet, begin
asking questions, and are directed to 'our scientist' -- an
elderly man who had been a scientist during the planet's
prosperous days. The old scientist lives in a humble abode,
but he is cordial and answers the seekers' questions. The
seekers return to their spacecraft, but before they depart
they leave a carton of provisions on the old scientist's
doorstep. Asimov makes the third person observation
that the old scientist found the provisions strange and
odd-tasting, but the provisions were filling and lasted a
long time.

I always have believed that this passage reflected the
life experience of some of Issac Asimov's interesting friends.

 >As a teen I read an Issac Asimov novel where teens
 >were eating pills that made them permanently disappear.
 >I remember the novel's plot well, but I don't remember
 >the novel's title and I have not been able to reconstruct
 >the title.
 >
As a teen I also read a memorable novel "The Immortals",
author not remembered. "The Immortals" is a popular novel
 >title -- I'm still looking for the proper version.

I got no problems.
Other people got problems.
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