Stupid movie tricks

<Swyck.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> When Gandalf rode out of Minas Tirith to rescue Faramir's troops from
> the Nazgul, why was he carrying Pippin along with him?
> I'm not complaining because that's not how it happened in the book,
> its just a ridiculous thing to do. Did he ask Pippin if he felt like
> going for a closer look at a Nazgul?
> Its a minor nit, but there's simply no reason for that.
>
>

Yes, there was. The reason was so that when he spoke to Faramir about the
battle, Pippin would be present and Faramir would react in a way that showed
he had seen a Hobbit before, prompting the exchange about Frodo.
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In article <70gbuvg60j38g1u7b8lfv0fib97of7jjgu.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
Swyck.DeleteThis@nospam.com wrote:

> When Gandalf rode out of Minas Tirith to rescue Faramir's troops from
> the Nazgul, why was he carrying Pippin along with him?
> I'm not complaining because that's not how it happened in the book,
> its just a ridiculous thing to do. Did he ask Pippin if he felt like
> going for a closer look at a Nazgul?
> Its a minor nit, but there's simply no reason for that.


Just another annoying little thing in the film to make the film more annoying.
Having gotten Pippin safely to Minas Tirith, why would Gandalf take him out
when he went to cover the retreat from Osgiliath? As bait for the Nazgul who
were looking for a Hobbit? Gandalf is not that stupid. Maybe that sequence was
supposed to precede Gandalf's arrival at MT, he was riding up just in time to
cover the retreat and still had Pippin with him. But that's kind of stupid too.
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In article <20031221154053.04179.00001546.RemoveThis@mb-m29.aol.com>,
carl032163.RemoveThis@aol.com (Carl032163) wrote:

> In article <70gbuvg60j38g1u7b8lfv0fib97of7jjgu.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
> Swyck.RemoveThis@nospam.com wrote:
>
> > When Gandalf rode out of Minas Tirith to rescue Faramir's troops from
> > the Nazgul, why was he carrying Pippin along with him?
> > I'm not complaining because that's not how it happened in the book,
> > its just a ridiculous thing to do. Did he ask Pippin if he felt like
> > going for a closer look at a Nazgul?
> > Its a minor nit, but there's simply no reason for that.
>
>
> Just another annoying little thing in the film to make the film more
> annoying.
> Having gotten Pippin safely to Minas Tirith, why would Gandalf take him out
> when he went to cover the retreat from Osgiliath? As bait for the Nazgul who
> were looking for a Hobbit? Gandalf is not that stupid. Maybe that sequence
> was
> supposed to precede Gandalf's arrival at MT, he was riding up just in time to
> cover the retreat and still had Pippin with him. But that's kind of stupid
> too.

Uh, because even under the circumstances, Pippin is safer with him than
anywhere else? Duh.
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In article <h%jFb.115685$%h4.107690@twister.tampabay.rr.com>,
"Rick" <swtravlr.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> <Swyck.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:70gbuvg60j38g1u7b8lfv0fib97of7jjgu@4ax.com...
> > When Gandalf rode out of Minas Tirith to rescue Faramir's troops from
> > the Nazgul, why was he carrying Pippin along with him?
> > I'm not complaining because that's not how it happened in the book,
> > its just a ridiculous thing to do. Did he ask Pippin if he felt like
> > going for a closer look at a Nazgul?
> > Its a minor nit, but there's simply no reason for that.
>
> Yes, there was. The reason was so that when he spoke to Faramir about the
> battle, Pippin would be present and Faramir would react in a way that showed
> he had seen a Hobbit before, prompting the exchange about Frodo.

Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that. Still, Gandalf does not know in
advance that Faramir will say this, as is obvious from his surprise in
the film, so it still doesn't quite explain why Gandalf took Pippin out
with him in the first place.
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> Uh, because even under the circumstances, Pippin is safer with him than
> anywhere else? Duh.

I'd say that too. The extended edition might clear this bit up better. The
trailer shows Gandalf and Pippin facing the WitchK on the walls of MinasT.

On a side note. That was the scene that I got tears in my eyes. And it feels
weird. Faramir's men getting slaughtered by the Nazgul and Gandalf coming to
their resque. I think what triggered the emotion was more the image of war
than that it was the direct result of the event's relation to the story. Are
there any others that feel strongly about this scene?
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"Rick" <swtravlr RemoveThis @NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com> wrote in
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> <Swyck RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:70gbuvg60j38g1u7b8lfv0fib97of7jjgu@4ax.com...
>> When Gandalf rode out of Minas Tirith to rescue Faramir's
>> troops from the Nazgul, why was he carrying Pippin along with
>> him? I'm not complaining because that's not how it happened in
>> the book, its just a ridiculous thing to do. Did he ask
>> Pippin if he felt like going for a closer look at a Nazgul?
>> Its a minor nit, but there's simply no reason for that.
>>
>
> Yes, there was. The reason was so that when he spoke to
> Faramir about the battle, Pippin would be present and Faramir
> would react in a way that showed he had seen a Hobbit before,
> prompting the exchange about Frodo.
>
>

PJ had to get that in there somehow, and since the character of
Denethor has been changed so radically, the meeting between
Faramir, Denethor, and Gandalf, with Pippin present, would most
likely have been cut. A shame that scene didn't make it - I wanted
to see how PJ handled the obvious, and yet oh-so-subtley played
out, contest of wills that occured there. All politeness and grace
on the outside, a terrible battle and contest inside, with pride
and wisdom and despair and hope filling the air and coloring each
word spoken, and many not.

Would have been hard, maybe too hard, but I think it would have
been worth doing - and I think the actors could have pulled it off,
given the chance.

--
mc
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In article <bs59hr$ass$1@news4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>,
"AMD" <adurgun.RemoveThis@home.nlREmoV> wrote:

> > Uh, because even under the circumstances, Pippin is safer with him than
> > anywhere else? Duh.
>
> I'd say that too. The extended edition might clear this bit up better. The
> trailer shows Gandalf and Pippin facing the WitchK on the walls of MinasT.
>
> On a side note. That was the scene that I got tears in my eyes. And it feels
> weird. Faramir's men getting slaughtered by the Nazgul and Gandalf coming to
> their resque. I think what triggered the emotion was more the image of war
> than that it was the direct result of the event's relation to the story. Are
> there any others that feel strongly about this scene?

Yes. The roller coaster had begun for me by that point, & the attack of
the Nazgul on Faramir's company I found terrifyingly intense. The
horror of this war was made vivid for me in a way the book has never
quite done.
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In article <Xns9458D91D47A24spblt DeleteThis @130.133.1.4>,
"TeaLady (Mari C.)" <spressobean DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Rick" <swtravlr DeleteThis @NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com> wrote in
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> >
> > <Swyck DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
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> >> When Gandalf rode out of Minas Tirith to rescue Faramir's
> >> troops from the Nazgul, why was he carrying Pippin along with
> >> him? I'm not complaining because that's not how it happened in
> >> the book, its just a ridiculous thing to do. Did he ask
> >> Pippin if he felt like going for a closer look at a Nazgul?
> >> Its a minor nit, but there's simply no reason for that.
> >
> > Yes, there was. The reason was so that when he spoke to
> > Faramir about the battle, Pippin would be present and Faramir
> > would react in a way that showed he had seen a Hobbit before,
> > prompting the exchange about Frodo.
>
> PJ had to get that in there somehow, and since the character of
> Denethor has been changed so radically, the meeting between
> Faramir, Denethor, and Gandalf, with Pippin present, would most
> likely have been cut. A shame that scene didn't make it - I wanted
> to see how PJ handled the obvious, and yet oh-so-subtley played
> out, contest of wills that occured there. All politeness and grace
> on the outside, a terrible battle and contest inside, with pride
> and wisdom and despair and hope filling the air and coloring each
> word spoken, and many not.
>
> Would have been hard, maybe too hard, but I think it would have
> been worth doing - and I think the actors could have pulled it off,
> given the chance.

Perhaps some semblance of it, at least, will appear in the complete
version of the film.
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RufusTFirefly wrote:
>Uh, because even under the circumstances, Pippin is safer with him than
>anywhere else? Duh.

Are you seriously claiming that its safer to be involved in a fight with the
Nazgul than to stay in a city where no fighting is occurring?

Justin Bacon
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:05:53 -0600, Caeruleo <caeruleo RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:
>> > When Gandalf rode out of Minas Tirith to rescue Faramir's troops from
>> > the Nazgul, why was he carrying Pippin along with him?
>> > I'm not complaining because that's not how it happened in the book,
>> > its just a ridiculous thing to do. Did he ask Pippin if he felt like
>> > going for a closer look at a Nazgul?
>> > Its a minor nit, but there's simply no reason for that.
>>
>> Yes, there was. The reason was so that when he spoke to Faramir about the
>> battle, Pippin would be present and Faramir would react in a way that showed
>> he had seen a Hobbit before, prompting the exchange about Frodo.
>
>Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that. Still, Gandalf does not know in
>advance that Faramir will say this, as is obvious from his surprise in
>the film, so it still doesn't quite explain why Gandalf took Pippin out
>with him in the first place.
There was no reason to take Pippin with him. In the book, Pippin is
waiting by the gates as Faramir arrives, and that's where he first
notices him. In the movie, he doesn't notice Pippin until they are
back in the city anyway.

Swyck
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<Swyck RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:05:53 -0600, Caeruleo <caeruleo RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> > When Gandalf rode out of Minas Tirith to rescue Faramir's troops from
> >> > the Nazgul, why was he carrying Pippin along with him?
> >> > I'm not complaining because that's not how it happened in the book,
> >> > its just a ridiculous thing to do. Did he ask Pippin if he felt like
> >> > going for a closer look at a Nazgul?
> >> > Its a minor nit, but there's simply no reason for that.
> >>
> >> Yes, there was. The reason was so that when he spoke to Faramir about
the
> >> battle, Pippin would be present and Faramir would react in a way that
showed
> >> he had seen a Hobbit before, prompting the exchange about Frodo.
> >
> >Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that. Still, Gandalf does not know in
> >advance that Faramir will say this, as is obvious from his surprise in
> >the film, so it still doesn't quite explain why Gandalf took Pippin out
> >with him in the first place.
> There was no reason to take Pippin with him. In the book, Pippin is
> waiting by the gates as Faramir arrives, and that's where he first
> notices him. In the movie, he doesn't notice Pippin until they are
> back in the city anyway.
>
> Swyck

Certainly there was a 'reason'. The reason is that the filmmakers did it
that way, just as Tolkien did not do it that way. It is called 'drama'.
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> > There was no reason to take Pippin with him. In the book, Pippin is
> > waiting by the gates as Faramir arrives, and that's where he first
> > notices him. In the movie, he doesn't notice Pippin until they are
> > back in the city anyway.

> Certainly there was a 'reason'. The reason is that the filmmakers did it
> that way, just as Tolkien did not do it that way. It is called 'drama'.

That would still make it dramatic but foolish.

More plausable reason would be that if Sauron really
thought Pippin had the Ring as Merry suggested,
Gandalf wanted to show that he was in Minas Tirith,
to distract the Eye from Frodo.

Morgil
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In article <i18euvoo962b4872okb5n0or309svpqm9a DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
Swyck DeleteThis @nospam.com wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:05:53 -0600, Caeruleo <caeruleo DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> > When Gandalf rode out of Minas Tirith to rescue Faramir's troops from
> >> > the Nazgul, why was he carrying Pippin along with him?
> >> > I'm not complaining because that's not how it happened in the book,
> >> > its just a ridiculous thing to do. Did he ask Pippin if he felt like
> >> > going for a closer look at a Nazgul?
> >> > Its a minor nit, but there's simply no reason for that.
> >>
> >> Yes, there was. The reason was so that when he spoke to Faramir about the
> >> battle, Pippin would be present and Faramir would react in a way that
> >> showed
> >> he had seen a Hobbit before, prompting the exchange about Frodo.
> >
> >Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that. Still, Gandalf does not know in
> >advance that Faramir will say this, as is obvious from his surprise in
> >the film, so it still doesn't quite explain why Gandalf took Pippin out
> >with him in the first place.
>
> There was no reason to take Pippin with him. In the book, Pippin is
> waiting by the gates as Faramir arrives, and that's where he first
> notices him. In the movie, he doesn't notice Pippin until they are
> back in the city anyway.

Hmmm, I had recalled that Faramir saw Pippin with Gandalf while they
were still out on the field, but you may well be right.

I need to go see the thing again.
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