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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:30 am
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Eustace, Jill (The two visitors to Narnia from Earth), and Puddleglum (A
Marsh-Wiggle) are in a city of giants looking for Prince Rilian. The
3rd sentence of Chapter 9 (concerning how Jill pumped the giants for
information) "She made love to everyone - the grooms, the porters, the
housemaids, the ladies-in-waiting, and the elderly gaint lords whose
hunting days were past.". In the U.S., "making love" means sexual
intercourse. What does C.S. Lewis mean when he talks of Jill (a school
girl) making love? I have a hard time imagining Jill having sexual
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:01 pm
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In article <43AD1531.816FA2CC.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>Eustace, Jill (The two visitors to Narnia from Earth), and Puddleglum (A
>Marsh-Wiggle) are in a city of giants looking for Prince Rilian. The
>3rd sentence of Chapter 9 (concerning how Jill pumped the giants for
>information) "She made love to everyone - the grooms, the porters, the
>housemaids, the ladies-in-waiting, and the elderly gaint lords whose
>hunting days were past.". In the U.S., "making love" means sexual
>intercourse. What does C.S. Lewis mean when he talks of Jill (a school
>girl) making love? I have a hard time imagining Jill having sexual
>intercourse with a slew of giants!
This has been discussed before. He means mild, nonsexual flirting,
such as would be seen appropriate in a prepubescent child by
those who believe that prepubescent children are sweet and
innocent.
"Ooooh, Mr. Giant, I can hardly wait for the festival! Do you do it
every year? Will there be a big bonfire and a Really Big
fruitcake? Will you let Eustace and me stay up till midnight?
Will you really? It was so nice of Lady Green Kirtle to send us
here, we're going to have such a jolly time! Oooh, Mrs. Giant,
what a BIG piepan!" Remember that the effect of all this on the
Giants, or at least on the Giantesses, was to bring tears to
their eyes and murmurs of "Poor little thing" to their lips,
though they were still going to cook the kids for all of that.
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:00 pm
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This is Peter Pan in chapter six of his book, standing guard outside
the house occupied by the Lost Boys and Wendy:
"The little house looked so cosy and safe in the darkness, with a
bright light showing through its blinds, and the chimney smoking
beautifully, and Peter standing on guard. After a time he fell asleep,
and some unsteady fairies had to climb over him on their way home from
an orgy. Any of the other boys obstructing the fairy path at night they
would have mischiefed, but they just tweaked Peter's nose and passed
on."
Yikes.
I suppose that to the Neverland age-group an orgy is a party where you
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:01 pm
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"Sean O'Hara" <seanohara.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Not many people know that in the original draft of The Lion, the Witch,
> and the Wardrobe, the White Witch originally oversaw a blood orgy with all
> her minions. Lewis was very upset when his publisher made him cut the
> scene, and in subsequent books he slipped in much more subtle sexual
> references.
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> Honest.
If only Lewis had had RAH's sales, we'd consider late Heinlein very tame
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:25 pm
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Sean O'Hara wrote:
> In the Year of the Cock, the Great and Powerful Tim Bruening declared:
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> > Eustace, Jill (The two visitors to Narnia from Earth), and Puddleglum (A
> > Marsh-Wiggle) are in a city of giants looking for Prince Rilian. The
> > 3rd sentence of Chapter 9 (concerning how Jill pumped the giants for
> > information) "She made love to everyone - the grooms, the porters, the
> > housemaids, the ladies-in-waiting, and the elderly gaint lords whose
> > hunting days were past.". In the U.S., "making love" means sexual
> > intercourse.
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> And that's what Lewis means by it. It's not like the American
> connotation of "making love" is some recent slang adapted from an
> earlier, more chaste meaning. Nope, nope, nope. Lewis managed to
> slip in a reference to a young child having serial intercourse with
> an entire city of giants.
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> Not many people know that in the original draft of The Lion, the
> Witch, and the Wardrobe, the White Witch originally oversaw a blood
> orgy with all her minions. Lewis was very upset when his publisher
> made him cut the scene, and in subsequent books he slipped in much
> more subtle sexual references.
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> Honest.
Since Lewis mentions succubi in the first Narnia book, I don't find
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:52 pm
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rja.carnegie.DeleteThis@excite.com wrote:
> I suppose that to the Neverland age-group an orgy is a party where you
> stay up ever so much later than you should.
These days that age group just sticks "fairy orgy" into the maw of
Google and comes back with 807,000 hits. >> Stay informed about: Super Sex? Spoilers For The Silver Chair |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 12:24 am
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<rja.carnegie.DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote in message
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> This is Peter Pan in chapter six of his book, standing guard outside
> the house occupied by the Lost Boys and Wendy:
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> "The little house looked so cosy and safe in the darkness, with a
> bright light showing through its blinds, and the chimney smoking
> beautifully, and Peter standing on guard. After a time he fell asleep,
> and some unsteady fairies had to climb over him on their way home from
> an orgy. Any of the other boys obstructing the fairy path at night they
> would have mischiefed, but they just tweaked Peter's nose and passed
> on."
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> Yikes.
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> I suppose that to the Neverland age-group an orgy is a party where you
> stay up ever so much later than you should.
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Actually, one of the other fairies had died, and they were attending the
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:41 pm
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Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <43AD1531.816FA2CC DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >Spoilers for the very first page of Chapter 9 (How They Discovered
> >Something Worth Knowing) of "The Silver Chair:
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> >3rd sentence of Chapter 9 (concerning how Jill pumped the giants for
> >information) "She made love to everyone - the grooms, the porters, the
> >housemaids, the ladies-in-waiting, and the elderly gaint lords whose
> >hunting days were past.". In the U.S., "making love" means sexual
> >intercourse. What does C.S. Lewis mean when he talks of Jill (a school
> >girl) making love? I have a hard time imagining Jill having sexual
> >intercourse with a slew of giants!
>
> This has been discussed before. He means mild, nonsexual flirting,
> such as would be seen appropriate in a prepubescent child by
> those who believe that prepubescent children are sweet and
> innocent.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:28 pm
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Tim Bruening wrote:
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> Eustace, Jill (The two visitors to Narnia from Earth), and Puddleglum (A
> Marsh-Wiggle) are in a city of giants looking for Prince Rilian. The
> 3rd sentence of Chapter 9 (concerning how Jill pumped the giants for
> information) "She made love to everyone - the grooms, the porters, the
> housemaids, the ladies-in-waiting, and the elderly gaint lords whose
> hunting days were past.". In the U.S., "making love" means sexual
> intercourse. What does C.S. Lewis mean when he talks of Jill (a school
> girl) making love?
Obviously she's playing tennis.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:37 pm
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:01:30 -0800, Kurt Busiek wrote:
> On 2005-12-26 21:20:28 -0800, joy beeson <xbeeson DeleteThis @invalid.net.invalid> said:
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>> "Making Love" hasn't always been a euphemism in the U.S.
>> I recall reading an old romance -- this was sometime in the
>> fifties and the book was old at the time -- in which the
>> protagonist says "he made passionate love to me" and seemed
>> to regard it as merely boorish behavior -- not quite bad
>> enough to have him thrown out of the house.
>> Eventually I realized that she meant that the offender
>> spouted unwanted endearments.
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> The phrase is used the same way in IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE, and in comic
> strips of the period -- I've noticed it, for instance, in STEVE CANYON.
> It was, at the time, roughly synonymous with "pitching woo," but a
> fancier way of saying it.
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> kdb
Another data point from further back: Edgar Allen Poe, "The Spectacles".
Character is not wearing his spectacles, and spots what looks to him like a
very very beautiful woman in the balcony across the theatre, and flirts
with her. Sentence towards the end of the story:
.... and that I had been merely making a fool of myself in making open love,
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:32 pm
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"Heather Garvey" <raven.RemoveThis@typhoon.xnet.com> wrote in message
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> Glenn P., <C128UserDELETE-THIS.RemoveThis@FVI.Net> wrote:
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> >But this is hardly (IMNSHO) the most "sexually suggestive" passage in
> >"Peter Pan".
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> The 2003 Peter Pan (w/ Jason Isaacs) is one big ball of
> Unresolved Sexual Tension. One incredibly captivating triangle
> between Peter, Wendy and Hook that later makes you feel a little
> squicky about a grown man being in the middle of it....
The children in the Narnia books clearly don't have UST, apart possibly from
Edmund and the White Witch. Peter Pan is a different matter. Growing Up is a
big deal - and it's made clear that it leads to both birth and death.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:05 am
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:18:45 GMT, "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS.DeleteThis@FVI.Net>
wrote the following in alt.books.cs-lewis:
> On 24-Dec-05 at 3:00pm -0800, <rja.carnegie.DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote:
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> > Any of the other boys obstructing the fairy path at night they would
> > have mischiefed, but they just tweaked Peter's nose and passed on."
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> My own question is, "What exactly, in this context, is meant by the
> word 'mischiefed'???"
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Maybe they'd manhandle you a bit, not enough to hurt you but just enough to
teach you to stay away, or maybe they'd take your stuff and stick it up a
tree or something.
I know that the nymphs in an ASCII game I've played called Nethack do this. >> Stay informed about: Super Sex? Spoilers For The Silver Chair |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:01 am
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:32:37 -0000, "westprog" <westprog.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
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>The children in the Narnia books clearly don't have UST, apart possibly from
>Edmund and the White Witch.
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>J/
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True; though the '80s TV version of 'Silver Chair' invented a UST
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:20 pm
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"Severian" <severian22000.at.yahoo.co.uk@> wrote in message
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> >The children in the Narnia books clearly don't have UST, apart possibly
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> >Edmund and the White Witch.
> True; though the '80s TV version of 'Silver Chair' invented a UST
> subtext between Jill and Rilian, which I never saw the point of.
The BBC version? I didn't notice that, but I wasn't watching closely.
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