Why didn't Susan appear in the Last Battle?

In article <m21wzzymgd.fsf.DeleteThis@amsu.fallenpegasus.com>,
Mark Atwood <me.DeleteThis@mark.atwood.name> wrote:
>nospam@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) writes:
>> In article <m27j9re9c8.fsf.DeleteThis@enzym.rnd.uni-c.dk>,
>> Peter B. Juul <p4.DeleteThis@enzym.rnd.uni-c.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>>I know of two accounts of Susan's later whereabouts. Neither of them
>>>claims she died and went to hell... Albeit Gaiman's version suggests
>>>that her life _is_ one.
>>
>> Where can I find the Gaiman one?
>
>Let us all know when you find it, I've been searching as well.

Assuming you mean "The Problem of Susan", it's collected in _The Year's
Best Fantasy 5_, edited by David G. Hartwell and Kathryn Cramer.
Alternatively, I believe there's meant to be another collection of
Neil Gaiman's short fiction out next year, and it'll probably be
included there.

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In article <m21wzzymgd.fsf DeleteThis @amsu.fallenpegasus.com>,
Mark Atwood <me DeleteThis @mark.atwood.name> wrote:
>nospam@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) writes:
>> In article <m27j9re9c8.fsf DeleteThis @enzym.rnd.uni-c.dk>,
>> Peter B. Juul <p4 DeleteThis @enzym.rnd.uni-c.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>>I know of two accounts of Susan's later whereabouts. Neither of them
>>>claims she died and went to hell... Albeit Gaiman's version suggests
>>>that her life _is_ one.
>>
>> Where can I find the Gaiman one?
>
>Let us all know when you find it, I've been searching as well.

Elsethread someone quoted a poem about Susan at the funeral; I
tried to go back and find it, and I cannot. Do you remember
who posted it?

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In article <kub3r11nt8i5umqlb8c25leonikk7egpoc.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
Bree <bree.TakeThisOut@bree.com> wrote:

>Haven't read it. I've heard good comments at Sur la Lune about some sort
>of comic/graphic thing about several girls rooming together in college iirc
>after coming back from various magic places: Susan, Dorothy, Lyra....
>
>I don't read stuff like this unless I expect it to be especially short and

Well, I *would* like to see this. Details? Where is this Sur la Lune?

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Tim Bruening wrote:
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>>It's been done. A nun in England wrote seven novels about the
>>adventures of Susan. Due to copyright issues with the Lewis
>>estate, however, these are unlikely ever to see light of day.
>
>
> When does the Lewis estate's copyright expire?
>

At the moment, I think it works out to be 95 years from the date of
publication, or about 2051 for _The Last Battle_. (For a newer work, it
would be life of the author plus 70 years.)

Of course, if Disney, et al, have their way, this term will continue to
extend indefinitely.

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Thomas Schoene wrote:

> Tim Bruening wrote:
> >
>
> >>It's been done. A nun in England wrote seven novels about the
> >>adventures of Susan. Due to copyright issues with the Lewis
> >>estate, however, these are unlikely ever to see light of day.
> >
> >
> > When does the Lewis estate's copyright expire?
> >
>
> At the moment, I think it works out to be 95 years from the date of
> publication, or about 2051 for _The Last Battle_. (For a newer work, it
> would be life of the author plus 70 years.)
>
> Of course, if Disney, et al, have their way, this term will continue to
> extend indefinitely.

Why? Wouldn't Disney like to be free of the need to pay royalties to the
Lewis estate?
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:09:04 -0800, Tim Bruening
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>> It's been done. A nun in England wrote seven novels about the
>> adventures of Susan. Due to copyright issues with the Lewis
>> estate, however, these are unlikely ever to see light of day.
>
>When does the Lewis estate's copyright expire?

He wrote Narnia novels after the Mouse, so his copyright will never
expire.
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David Johnston wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:09:04 -0800, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >> It's been done. A nun in England wrote seven novels about the
> >> adventures of Susan. Due to copyright issues with the Lewis
> >> estate, however, these are unlikely ever to see light of day.
> >
> >When does the Lewis estate's copyright expire?
>
> He wrote Narnia novels after the Mouse, so his copyright will never
> expire.

What does a Talking Mouse have to do with the copyright?
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> writes:

> Since nuns are sworn to poverty, this shouldn't be a problem!

afaik, she wanted all the profits to go to charity, something the
estate was unwilling to accept.

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It's simple: Susan just had other contractual obligations and couldn't
make it to Narnia for the Last Battle. Lewis did write an early draft
in which Peter, Lucy and Edmund get a new sister named Sylvia, but
apparently Sylvia didn't work well with animals and had to be dropped.

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In article <43BC7778.98158DA4.DeleteThis@optonline.com>, Andrew Wheeler says...

>John Schilling wrote:

>> >>>It's been done. A nun in England wrote seven novels about the
>> >>>adventures of Susan. Due to copyright issues with the Lewis
>> >>>estate, however, these are unlikely ever to see light of day.

>> >> Just offer the Lewis estate half the royalties!

>> > (A) They will settle for ALL the royalties.
>> > (B) Assuming they want such stories told at all.
>> > Which they may not.

>> Non sequiter. Assuming they want such stories told, they will settle for
>> half the royalties. If they "settle" for ALL the royalties, there will be
>> less motive to tell and none at all to professionally publish the stories,
>> and that which we are postulating the Lewis estate wants to happen, will
>> not happen.

>> Demanding ALL the royalties, is what the Lewis estate does if we assume
>> they do *not* want such stories told at all. That, and simply forbidding
>> publication.

>You're assuming "royalties" to be equal to "payment for the book," which
>is not necessarily the case.

Yes, I'm making that assumption, and in the case of unabashed fan fiction,
I think it's a valid one. Fan fiction authors and work-for-hire authors
are, ISTM, on opposite ends of the motivational spectrum (even if they're
the same person on different days), and if the Lewis Estate wants semi-pro
Narnia fanfic being published, I don't think they are likely to have much
success with the work-for-hire route.

They could get a different flavor of Narnia spinoff that way, but I don't
think that's what we were talking about. Possibly the discussion was
broader than I gave it credit for.

Probably the discussion is moot on account of the Lewis estate doesn't
want any sort of post-Lewis Narnia fiction published.


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Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:

> On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:33:44 -0500, Andrew Wheeler
> <acwheele.DeleteThis@optonline.com> wrote:
>
> >You're assuming "royalties" to be equal to "payment for the book," which
> >is not necessarily the case. In fact, work-for-hire contracts generally
> >do *not* include royalties, and the author is paid a flat fee up front.

As an expert in magical universes, could you comment on what magic spells the
Talking Beasts of Narnia might have used to survive the 100 year winter.
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Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:

> On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:33:44 -0500, Andrew Wheeler
> <acwheele.TakeThisOut@optonline.com> wrote:
>
> >You're assuming "royalties" to be equal to "payment for the book," which
> >is not necessarily the case. In fact, work-for-hire contracts generally
> >do *not* include royalties, and the author is paid a flat fee up front.
>
> I don't know about "generally"; both models are pretty common. Star
> Trek books pay royalties, for example.

Do you get royalties for your books?
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Bitstring <43C43309.376411DF DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, from the wonderful
person Tim Bruening <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> said
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>
>Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
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>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:33:44 -0500, Andrew Wheeler
>> <acwheele DeleteThis @optonline.com> wrote:
>>
>> >You're assuming "royalties" to be equal to "payment for the book," which
>> >is not necessarily the case. In fact, work-for-hire contracts generally
>> >do *not* include royalties, and the author is paid a flat fee up front.
>
>As an expert in magical universes, could you comment on what magic spells the
>Talking Beasts of Narnia might have used to survive the 100 year winter.

They're flogging ice blocks to Calormen in return for imported
foodstuffs. I mean did you see =any= Narnia countryside which looked
appropriate for growing tea??

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