Sword Brother - Wencit

On May 17, 9:21 am, "Fred Burton" <fbur....DeleteThis@starfire.mv.com> wrote:
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> >Anybody figure out what Wencit revealed to Tremala in "Sword Brother"?
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> >It was something that explained why he's so good at staying one step
> >ahead of the followers of the Dark Gods.
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> IIRC, it's something like this... In the future, before his eventual death,
> Wencit somehow manages to send his soul and knowledge and memory
> back in time to his younger self. In Sword Brother, Tremala only gets
> her burst of insight after looking at Wencit's sword, so perhaps Wencit's
> older self is embedded in the sword, not in Wencit himself.

Well, that tracks with all that conversation Wencit had with the
soldiers about magic and time travel.
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markr1000.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net wrote in message
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>On May 17, 9:21 am, "Fred Burton" <fbur....TakeThisOut@starfire.mv.com> wrote:
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>> >Anybody figure out what Wencit revealed to Tremala in "Sword Brother"?
>>
>> >It was something that explained why he's so good at staying one step
>> >ahead of the followers of the Dark Gods.
>>
>> IIRC, it's something like this... In the future, before his eventual
death,
>> Wencit somehow manages to send his soul and knowledge and memory
>> back in time to his younger self. In Sword Brother, Tremala only gets
>> her burst of insight after looking at Wencit's sword, so perhaps Wencit's
>> older self is embedded in the sword, not in Wencit himself.
>
>Well, that tracks with all that conversation Wencit had with the
>soldiers about magic and time travel.
>

It also tracks with Bahzell's first encounter with Wencit where just after
Bahzell tries to skewer Wencit with his greatsword, and is stopped by
Wencit's magic, Wencit says:

"... I've been looking forward to this moment for a very long time..."

It also explains why Wencit didn't have to actually track the baddies
who who holding Zarantha, but he was taking a direct path, because
he KNEW where he would be intercepting them from his older self's
memories.

It pretty much explains why Wencit seems to have extraordinary
precognitive knowledge of so many things, from where to intercept
Bahzell in a raging snow storm, to knowing that he'd need a really
complex glamor spell to confuse the Carnadosian wizards from
properly tracking him with magic in "Sword Brother".
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On May 18, 12:33 pm, "Fred Burton" <fbur....RemoveThis@starfire.mv.com> wrote:
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> >On May 17, 9:21 am, "Fred Burton" <fbur....RemoveThis@starfire.mv.com> wrote:
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> >> >Anybody figure out what Wencit revealed to Tremala in "Sword Brother"?
>
> >> >It was something that explained why he's so good at staying one step
> >> >ahead of the followers of the Dark Gods.
>
> >> IIRC, it's something like this... In the future, before his eventual
> death,
> >> Wencit somehow manages to send his soul and knowledge and memory
> >> back in time to his younger self. In Sword Brother, Tremala only gets
> >> her burst of insight after looking at Wencit's sword, so perhaps Wencit's
> >> older self is embedded in the sword, not in Wencit himself.
>
> >Well, that tracks with all that conversation Wencit had with the
> >soldiers about magic and time travel.
>
> It also tracks with Bahzell's first encounter with Wencit where just after
> Bahzell tries to skewer Wencit with his greatsword, and is stopped by
> Wencit's magic, Wencit says:
>
> "... I've been looking forward to this moment for a very long time..."
>
> It also explains why Wencit didn't have to actually track the baddies
> who who holding Zarantha, but he was taking a direct path, because
> he KNEW where he would be intercepting them from his older self's
> memories.
>
> It pretty much explains why Wencit seems to have extraordinary
> precognitive knowledge of so many things, from where to intercept
> Bahzell in a raging snow storm, to knowing that he'd need a really
> complex glamor spell to confuse the Carnadosian wizards from
> properly tracking him with magic in "Sword Brother".

So was he being less than honest when he says he was expecting
something else to show up in the summoning he does at the beginning of
"Sword Brother"?

My problem is that "Sword Brother" is the sort of Deus Ex Machina plot
you'd expect in fan fiction. Much as I like modern people being
plopped into the past or fantasy worlds, this was a bit extreme.
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>> >On May 17, 9:21 am, "Fred Burton" <fbur... DeleteThis @starfire.mv.com> wrote:
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>> >> >Anybody figure out what Wencit revealed to Tremala in "Sword
Brother"?
>>
>> >> >It was something that explained why he's so good at staying one step
>> >> >ahead of the followers of the Dark Gods.
>>
>> >> IIRC, it's something like this... In the future, before his eventual
>> death,
>> >> Wencit somehow manages to send his soul and knowledge and memory
>> >> back in time to his younger self. In Sword Brother, Tremala only gets
>> >> her burst of insight after looking at Wencit's sword, so perhaps
Wencit's
>> >> older self is embedded in the sword, not in Wencit himself.
>>
>> >Well, that tracks with all that conversation Wencit had with the
>> >soldiers about magic and time travel.
>>
>> It also tracks with Bahzell's first encounter with Wencit where just
after
>> Bahzell tries to skewer Wencit with his greatsword, and is stopped by
>> Wencit's magic, Wencit says:
>>
>> "... I've been looking forward to this moment for a very long time..."
>>
>> It also explains why Wencit didn't have to actually track the baddies
>> who who holding Zarantha, but he was taking a direct path, because
>> he KNEW where he would be intercepting them from his older self's
>> memories.
>>
>> It pretty much explains why Wencit seems to have extraordinary
>> precognitive knowledge of so many things, from where to intercept
>> Bahzell in a raging snow storm, to knowing that he'd need a really
>> complex glamor spell to confuse the Carnadosian wizards from
>> properly tracking him with magic in "Sword Brother".
>
>So was he being less than honest when he says he was expecting
>something else to show up in the summoning he does at the beginning of
>"Sword Brother"?

Maybe not. I'm thinking that "current" Wencit doesn't have all the momories
of "future" Wencit, only that he can access them when he wants to. So,
perhaps
he knew that he was going to summon a powerful ally, but hadn't bothered to
discover the nature of that ally. And perhaps by saying that he was
"expecting"
something else, it was an indication that Wencit was "expecting" something
more familiar.





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>My problem is that "Sword Brother" is the sort of Deus Ex Machina plot
>you'd expect in fan fiction. Much as I like modern people being
>plopped into the past or fantasy worlds, this was a bit extreme.
>

I took it as sort of a homage to the troops in Iraq.
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