Taking the oath on the Koran or the Bible

That is a poor description of Democrats or Republicans or even
Libertarians.

*Anarcissie* wrote:

> About half the House of Representatives belong to a party that
> is led by violent extremists. Why worry about this one individual?
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> *Anarcissie* wrote:
>
> > About half the House of Representatives belong to a party that
> > is led by violent extremists. Why worry about this one individual?

Richard Fangnail wrote:
> That is a poor description of Democrats or Republicans or even
> Libertarians.

One party, to which about half the present House of Representatives
belongs, has a leadership which has started a number of wars, promoted
laws facilitating unconstitutional police repression, proposed and
passed
budgets bankrupting the country, and actively courted religious
fanatics
(which is why there can be such a ridiculous thing as a discussion of
whether a congressperson can informally take his oath of office using
a copy of the Koran). This party is not the Libertarian party.
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IIRC, John Quincy Adams took the oath of office as President with his
hand on a law book.

J. Del Col
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*Anarcissie* wrote:

> About half the House of Representatives belong to a party that
> is led by violent extremists. Why worry about this one individual?
>

Interestingly, about 100% of the population agrees with you on this,
just that many of them have a different opinion as to which half you are
talking about
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Richard Fangnail wrote:
> I saw a ridiculous debate on Fox News between about the newly elected
> congressman (Ellison) who wants to take the oath on a Koran. There is
> no rule that says you have to use the Christian Bible ...

In fact, Article Vi of the US Constitution states flatly "...no
religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office
or public Trust under the United States."

I wonder if that congressional moron from Virginia who circulated a
letter objecting to Ellison's choice has ever read the First Amendment
or Article VI.

J. Del Col
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<About half the House of Representatives belong to a party that
is led by violent extremists. Why worry about this one <individual?

Not a Republican, but I would support them if they refuse to fund abstract
artists.
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Blake Carswell wrote:
> <About half the House of Representatives belong to a party that
> is led by violent extremists. Why worry about this one <individual?
>
> Not a Republican, but I would support them if they refuse to fund abstract
> artists.
>

Well, exactly. Who would want to support these new-fangled ideas that
are barely over a century old ?
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:29:19 -0500, Paul Ilechko <pilechko RemoveThis @patmedia.net>
wrote:

>*Anarcissie* wrote:
>
>> About half the House of Representatives belong to a party that
>> is led by violent extremists. Why worry about this one individual?
>>
>
>Interestingly, about 100% of the population agrees with you on this,
>just that many of them have a different opinion as to which half you are
>talking about

Chortle. Just so. The sad thing is that each side is right about their
opinion of the other side.
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In article <1167762322.165004.5370 RemoveThis @k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Richard Fangnail" <richardfangnail RemoveThis @excite.com> wrote:

> I saw a ridiculous debate on Fox News between about the newly elected
> congressman (Ellison) who wants to take the oath on a Koran. There is
> no rule that says you have to use the Christian Bible so it's within
> Ellison's rights to do so.

Well within his rights.

In fact, there is no formal or official swearing-in ceremony for
Congressmen at all.

What Ellison plans to do takes place in private with no official meaning.
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Guy Bannis wrote:
> In article <1167762322.165004.5370.TakeThisOut@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Richard Fangnail" <richardfangnail.TakeThisOut@excite.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I saw a ridiculous debate on Fox News between about the newly elected
>>congressman (Ellison) who wants to take the oath on a Koran. There is
>>no rule that says you have to use the Christian Bible so it's within
>>Ellison's rights to do so.
>
>
> Well within his rights.
>
> In fact, there is no formal or official swearing-in ceremony for
> Congressmen at all.
>
> What Ellison plans to do takes place in private with no official meaning.


From the FAQ for the House of Representatives:

----------------------
3. Do Members take an Oath of Office when they enter the House of Representatives?

As required by Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution, Members of Congress shall be
bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution. Representatives,
delegates, and the resident commissioner all take the oath of office on the
first day of the new Congress, immediately after the House has elected its
Speaker. The Speaker of the House administers the oath of office as follows:

"I, (name of Member), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take
this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion;
and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which
I am about to enter. So help me God."

Representatives elected in special elections during the course of a Congress
generally take the oath of office on the floor of the House Chamber when the
Clerk of the House has received a formal notice of the new Member's election or
appointment from State government authorities. On rare occasions, because of
illness or other circumstances, a Member-elect has been authorized to take the
oath of office at a place other than the House. In those circumstances, the
Clerk of the House sees to the proper administration of the oath.
-------------------------

See http://clerk.house.gov/members/memFAQ.html#oath


It does not even require an oath. An affirmation will do.



Francis A. Miniter
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"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter.DeleteThis@attglobalZZ.net> wrote in message
news:459acc80$1@kcnews01...
> Guy Bannis wrote:
>> In article <1167762322.165004.5370.DeleteThis@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> "Richard Fangnail" <richardfangnail.DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I saw a ridiculous debate on Fox News between about the newly elected
>>>congressman (Ellison) who wants to take the oath on a Koran. There is
>>>no rule that says you have to use the Christian Bible so it's within
>>>Ellison's rights to do so.
>>
>>
>> Well within his rights.
>>
>> In fact, there is no formal or official swearing-in ceremony for
>> Congressmen at all.
>>
>> What Ellison plans to do takes place in private with no official meaning.
>
>
> From the FAQ for the House of Representatives:
>
> ----------------------
> 3. Do Members take an Oath of Office when they enter the House of
> Representatives?
>
> As required by Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution, Members of Congress
> shall be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution.
> Representatives, delegates, and the resident commissioner all take the
> oath of office on the first day of the new Congress, immediately after the
> House has elected its Speaker. The Speaker of the House administers the
> oath of office as follows:
>
> "I, (name of Member), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will
> support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all
> enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance
> to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental
> reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully
> discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help
> me God."
>
> Representatives elected in special elections during the course of a
> Congress generally take the oath of office on the floor of the House
> Chamber when the Clerk of the House has received a formal notice of the
> new Member's election or appointment from State government authorities. On
> rare occasions, because of illness or other circumstances, a Member-elect
> has been authorized to take the oath of office at a place other than the
> House. In those circumstances, the Clerk of the House sees to the proper
> administration of the oath.
> -------------------------
>
> See http://clerk.house.gov/members/memFAQ.html#oath
>
>
> It does not even require an oath. An affirmation will do.
>
>
>
> Francis A. Miniter

Correct. Pictures of members of Congress taking an oath is a photo-op after
their affirmation. For the photo-op they could hold a Superman comic book or
Sports Illustrated.
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Richard Harter wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:29:19 -0500, Paul Ilechko <pilechko.DeleteThis@patmedia.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>*Anarcissie* wrote:
>>
>>
>>>About half the House of Representatives belong to a party that
>>>is led by violent extremists. Why worry about this one individual?
>>>
>>
>>Interestingly, about 100% of the population agrees with you on this,
>>just that many of them have a different opinion as to which half you are
>>talking about
>
>
> Chortle. Just so.

I want to register for the plague-on-both-their-houses party, please.

thanks for the xmas card!
>
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
> delcolja.RemoveThis@mail.ab.edu wrote:
> > In fact, Article Vi of the US Constitution states flatly "...no
> > religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office
> > or public Trust under the United States."
> >
> > I wonder if that congressional moron from Virginia who circulated a
> > letter objecting to Ellison's choice has ever read the First Amendment
> > or Article VI.
>
>
> I suspect not. In fact, I'd believe an oath taken by the gentleman from
> Minnesota over a Koran long before I'd believe it if it were taken over a Bible.
> Does anybody think he'd take the Bible as binding?.....


The oath is binding no matter what book is used. It's the oath that
counts, not the book.

J. Del Col
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