The Talbot Cluster Becoming part of Manticore makes no sen..

I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos shoed that J'hn1
<jhn1@comcastnet> wrote on Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:06:38 +0100 in
alt.books.david-weber :
>On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:33:14 -0800, pyotr filipivich
><phamp RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos shoed that J'hn1
>><jhn1@comcastnet> wrote on Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:23:04 +0100 in
>>alt.books.david-weber :
>>>
>>>>The Talbotians could have gotten the anti-piracy and anti-Solly
>>>>protection they wanted if they'd just decided to join the Manticoran
>>>>Alliance, or even negotiated something like a Manticore Junction Free
>>>>Trade Zone.
>>>
>>>Again, you postulate that they would have willingly gone for the
>>>status of the Dominican Republic instead of that of Hawaii.
>>
>> Alliance is one thing, "Statehood" is another. OSF could just as
>>easily extend Protectorate to a planet government allied with the Sky
>>Kingdom, it would be another issue if said planet was part of the Sky
>>Kingdom.
>
>And that is EXACTLY why the plebescite went +80%.
>Some want the economic boosts that they figure will be forthcoming
>(if they are correct or not is not germant to this discussion)
>Some want the educational boosts that they figure will be imposed if
>the SKM is not going to have an albatross forever.
>Some just want the adoption into a family that is rich and powerful
>enough (even if only barely so) to give the enslaving bully headed
>their way pause (and it is a certainty that as unwelcome as the
>antiPeep tech embargo was it was known, in principle, by the next
>probably OSF targets that someboby had caused the Solly juggernaut to
>veer around them instead of just running them over like is about to
>happen to them.)

And there were those, I'm sure, who figured they would be able to
join the Star Kingdom on their terms; getting the benefits and still
calling the shots.

tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."

On Jan 6, 6:39 pm, pyotr filipivich <ph....TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos shoed that J'hn1
> <jhn1@comcastnet> wrote on Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:06:38 +0100 in
> alt.books.david-weber :
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:33:14 -0800, pyotr filipivich
> ><ph....TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >>I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos shoed that J'hn1
> >><jhn1@comcastnet> wrote on Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:23:04 +0100 in
> >>alt.books.david-weber :
>
> >>>>The Talbotians could have gotten the anti-piracy and anti-Solly
> >>>>protection they wanted if they'd just decided to join the Manticoran
> >>>>Alliance, or even negotiated something like a Manticore Junction Free
> >>>>Trade Zone.
>
> >>>Again, you postulate that they would have willingly gone for the
> >>>status of the Dominican Republic instead of that of Hawaii.
>
> >>        Alliance is one thing, "Statehood" is another. OSF could just as
> >>easily extend Protectorate to a planet government allied with the Sky
> >>Kingdom, it would be another issue if said planet was part of the Sky
> >>Kingdom.
>
> >And that is EXACTLY why the plebescite went +80%.
> >Some want the economic boosts that they figure will be forthcoming
> >(if they are correct or not is not germant to this discussion)
> >Some want the educational boosts that they figure will be imposed if
> >the SKM is not going to have an albatross forever.
> >Some just want the adoption into a family that is rich and powerful
> >enough (even if only barely so) to give the enslaving bully headed
> >their way pause (and it is a certainty that as unwelcome as the
> >antiPeep tech embargo was it was known, in principle, by the next
> >probably OSF targets that someboby had caused the Solly juggernaut to
> >veer around them instead of just running them over like is about to
> >happen to them.)
>
>         And there were those, I'm sure, who figured they would be able to
> join the Star Kingdom on their terms; getting the benefits and still
> calling the shots.
>
> tschus
> pyotr
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
> better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

See 'a third of cluster congress'. As was obvious when trying to
hammer out the exact status of the Cluster in the Kingdom, a large
portion of the planetary governments expected to be able to enjoy all
the benefits that come from being a member planet, or a close ally,
without much interference from the Kingdom as it existed.
Really though, most of the Cluster's population _knew_ they were going
to lose their sovreignty at some point in the near future. There was
no question that without Manticore's protection, OFS was going to take
all of them.
Why else had Rembrandt worked so hard? They were trying to make
themselves attractive enough that they could buy into the League with
a slightly better status then most Planetary Protectorates. When the
alternative of Manticore came along, a polity that _invests_ in the
infrastructure of its members and allies, and doesn't simply leech
away at them, it was an easy choice.