Ten Greatest Poets of All Time

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 > | By languages:
 > |
 > | ENGLISH
 > |
 > | 1. Shakespeare
 > | 2. Milton
 > | 3. Keats
 > | 4. Yeats
 > | 5. Shelley
 > | 6. Browning
 > | 7. Donne
 > | 8. Hardy
 > | 9. Auden
 > | 10. Marvell
 >
 > I would like to add Chaucer, Spenser, Blake, Coleridge, and Byron into
 > the Brits lineup. The Americans Poe, Whitman, Frost, Wallace Stevens,
 > and Amy Dickenson are at least equal to Shelly, Hardy, Auden, and
 > Marvell, who are probably 2nd raters, IMO.
 >
 > The women's vote would likely prefer Elizabeth Barret Browning and Amy
 > Dickenson to many of the above.
 >
 > Spenser is arguably a better poet than Shakespeare, literati say.

Does anyone actually read Spenser? If so,
does any ENJOY reading Spenser? I have read
a little Spenser (very little), although
enough to say with confidence that for pure
enjoyment of poetry, I will take James
Whitcomb Riley any day.

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 > 1. Shakespeare
 > 2. Pushkin
 > 3. Goethe
 > 4. Dante
 > 5. Milton
 > 6. Baudelaire
 > 7. Homer
 > 8. Horace
 > 9. Keats
 > 10. Pindar
 >
 > By languages:
 >
 > ENGLISH
 >
 > 1. Shakespeare
 > 2. Milton
 > 3. Keats
 > 4. Yeats
 > 5. Shelley
 > 6. Browning
 > 7. Donne
 > 8. Hardy
 > 9. Auden
 > 10. Marvell
 >
 > RUSSIAN
 >
 > 1. Pushkin
 > 2. Blok
 > 3. Akhmatova
 > 4. Pasternak
 >
 > FRENCH
 >
 > 1. Baudelaire
 > 2. Hugo
 > 3. Rimbaud
 > 4. Ronsard
 >
 > GERMAN
 >
 > 1. Goethe
 > 2. Rilke
 > 3. Holderlin
 > 4. Heine

why not ITALIAN?

1. Dante
2. Petrarca
3. Leopardi
4. Ariosto
5. Tasso
6. Carducci
7. Michelangelo
8. Cesare Zavattini
9. Grazia Deledda
10. Giovanni Pascoli

(suggestions)

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 > 1. Shakespeare
 > 2. Pushkin
 > 3. Goethe
 > 4. Dante

This poet of petty village rivalries is clearly second-rate.

 > 5. Milton

Utterly unwieldy and unreadable. Recounting biblical myths is so
banal.

 > 6. Baudelaire
 > 7. Homer
 > 8. Horace
 > 9. Keats
 > 10. Pindar

 > By languages:
 >
 > ENGLISH
 >
 > 1. Shakespeare
 > 2. Milton
 > 3. Keats
 > 4. Yeats

WBY is overestimated. Where is Wordsworth?

 > 5. Shelley
 > 6. Browning
 > 7. Donne
 > 8. Hardy
 > 9. Auden
 > 10. Marvell

Exclude Milton, Auden and Donne. The latter didn't know what true
poetry is. Philosopher, preacher? Perhaps. Poet? hardly.

 >
 > RUSSIAN
 >
 > 1. Pushkin
 > 2. Blok

The guy had no taste.

 > 3. Akhmatova

I don't believe in female poets.

 > 4. Pasternak
 >
 > FRENCH
 >
 > 1. Baudelaire
 > 2. Hugo

Hugo's caduque. La Fontaine is much better. But the French is so
unsuitable for poetry. A poet's nightmare.

 > 3. Rimbaud

Rimbaud is good only for very young people.
 > 4. Ronsard
 >
 > GERMAN
 >
 > 1. Goethe
 > 2. Rilke
 > 3. Holderlin
 > 4. Heine

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 > |
 > | By languages:
 > |
 > | ENGLISH
 > |
 > | 1. Shakespeare
 > | 2. Milton
 > | 3. Keats
 > | 4. Yeats
 > | 5. Shelley
 > | 6. Browning
 > | 7. Donne
 > | 8. Hardy
 > | 9. Auden
 > | 10. Marvell
 >
 > I would like to add Chaucer, Spenser, Blake, Coleridge, and Byron into
 > the Brits lineup. The Americans Poe, Whitman, Frost, Wallace Stevens,
 > and Amy Dickenson are at least equal to Shelly, Hardy, Auden, and
 > Marvell, who are probably 2nd raters, IMO.
 >
 > The women's vote would likely prefer Elizabeth Barret Browning and Amy
 > Dickenson to many of the above.

I didn't know Emily /had/ a sister.
Barrett is good in the sonnets, not elsewhere to speak of.
 >
 > Spenser is arguably a better poet than Shakespeare, literati say.
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  > > Spenser is arguably a better poet than Shakespeare, literati say.
 >
 > Does anyone actually read Spenser? If so,
 > does any ENJOY reading Spenser? I have read
 > a little Spenser (very little),


Wouldn't call myself a fan of _The Faerie Queen_, but I like
Spenser's sonnets. "My love is like to ice, and I to fire"
is classic.


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On 1 Sep 2004 23:05:47 -0700, Bill Palmer wrote:

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  >> |
  >> | By languages:
  >> |
  >> | ENGLISH
  >> |
  >> | 1. Shakespeare
  >> | 2. Milton
  >> | 3. Keats
  >> | 4. Yeats
  >> | 5. Shelley
  >> | 6. Browning
  >> | 7. Donne
  >> | 8. Hardy
  >> | 9. Auden
  >> | 10. Marvell
  >>
  >> I would like to add Chaucer, Spenser, Blake, Coleridge, and Byron into
  >> the Brits lineup. The Americans Poe, Whitman, Frost, Wallace Stevens,
  >> and Amy Dickenson are at least equal to Shelly, Hardy, Auden, and
  >> Marvell, who are probably 2nd raters, IMO.
  >>
  >> The women's vote would likely prefer Elizabeth Barret Browning and Amy
  >> Dickenson to many of the above.
  >>
  >> Spenser is arguably a better poet than Shakespeare, literati say.
 >
 > Does anyone actually read Spenser? If so,
 > does any ENJOY reading Spenser? I have read
 > a little Spenser (very little), although
 > enough to say with confidence that for pure
 > enjoyment of poetry, I will take James
 > Whitcomb Riley any day.

Does anyone actually read Palmjob? If so,
does any ENJOY reading Palmjob? I have read
a little Palmjob (very little), although
enough to say with confidence that for pure
enjoyment of poetry, I will take William
Topaz McGonagall any day.

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"Bill Palmer" <palmer.william.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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| > |
| > | By languages:
| > |
| > | ENGLISH
| > |
| > | 1. Shakespeare
| > | 2. Milton
| > | 3. Keats
| > | 4. Yeats
| > | 5. Shelley
| > | 6. Browning
| > | 7. Donne
| > | 8. Hardy
| > | 9. Auden
| > | 10. Marvell
| >
| > I would like to add Chaucer, Spenser, Blake, Coleridge, and Byron
into
| > the Brits lineup. The Americans Poe, Whitman, Frost, Wallace
Stevens,
| > and Amy Dickenson are at least equal to Shelly, Hardy, Auden, and
| > Marvell, who are probably 2nd raters, IMO.
| >
| > The women's vote would likely prefer Elizabeth Barret Browning and
Amy
| > Dickenson to many of the above.
| >
| > Spenser is arguably a better poet than Shakespeare, literati say.
|
| Does anyone actually read Spenser? If so,
| does any ENJOY reading Spenser?

Spenser is great for archetectonics, or structure, with all that
allegory and weaving of themes, and so some others are Greatest on a
different standard, such as lyric, dramatic, narrative. I note that
Spenser is one of the few classes offered on a single poet in college.
Even Shakespeare is offered only as a playwright, I assume.

I have read
| a little Spenser (very little), although
| enough to say with confidence that for pure
| enjoyment of poetry, I will take James
| Whitcomb Riley any day.

Well, if we're talking about poets you esteem and relish, I can add
the Americans Emerson, Longfellow, and Amy Lowell. Looking at
Untermeyer's Modern Poetry, I see American women are especially well
represented. Haven't figured out if T.S. Eliot, Auden, and Pound are
American. A. E. Housman is a favorite of mine, also Hopkins.
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 > |
 > | By languages:
 > |
 > | ENGLISH
 > |
 > | 1. Shakespeare
 > | 2. Milton
 > | 3. Keats
 > | 4. Yeats
 > | 5. Shelley
 > | 6. Browning
 > | 7. Donne
 > | 8. Hardy
 > | 9. Auden
 > | 10. Marvell
 >
 > I would like to add Chaucer, Spenser, Blake, Coleridge, and Byron into
 > the Brits lineup. The Americans Poe, Whitman, Frost, Wallace Stevens,
 > and Amy Dickenson are at least equal to Shelly, Hardy, Auden, and
 > Marvell, who are probably 2nd raters, IMO.
 >
 > The women's vote would likely prefer Elizabeth Barret Browning and Amy
 > Dickenson to many of the above.
 >
Why the assumption that [only] girls like reading [only] girls? Regarding
the Americans, I don't know that I like your list. I'd keep Whitman, but as
for the rest: Bradstreet, Eliot, cummings, Millay, Plath and William Carlos
Williams are to my taste. Don't ask how I can like both cummings _and_
Millay, I just do. Who can help but love


since feeling is first
who pays any attention
to the syntax of things
will never wholly kiss you;

wholly to be a fool
while Spring is in the world

my blood approves,
and kisses are a better fate
than wisdom
lady I swear by all flowers. Don't cry
--the best gesture of my brain is less than
your eyelids' flutter which says

we are for each other:then
laugh,leaning back in my arms
for life's not a paragraph

And death i think is no parenthesis


It's so simple, so moving. There's so much quiet, confident daring in it.
And the paradox, that "kisses are a better fate than wisdom" and thus the
foolishness of this uncareful love is the wiser course - it's charming. Or
how about:


somewhere i have never travelled,gladly beyond
any experience,your eyes have their silence
in your most frail gesture are things which enclose me,
or which i cannot touch because they are too near

your slightest look easily will enclose me
though i have closed myself as fingers,
you open always petal by petal myself as Spring opens
(touching skilfully,mysteriously)her first rose

or if your wish be to close me,i and
my life will shut very beautifully, suddenly,
as when the heart of this flower imagines
the snow carefully everywhere descending;

nothing which we are to perceive in this world equals
the power of your intense fragility:whose texture
compels me with the colour of its countries,
rendering death and forever with each breathing

(i do not know what it is about you that closes
and opens;only something in me understands
the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses)
nobody,not even the rain,has such small hands


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herothatdied wrote:

 > I'd rather read cummings than Spenser any day.

Everyone else may check out this excerpt:

Against the Brydale day, which is not long:
Sweete Themmes runne softly, till I end my Song.
Against the Brydale day, which was not long:
Sweete Themmes runne softly, till I end my Song.
Against their Brydale day, which was not long:
Sweete Themmes runne softly, till I end my Song.
Euen as their Brydale day, which was not long:
Sweete Themmes runne softly till I end my Song.
Against their Brydale day, which was not long:
Sweete Themmes runne softly till I end my Song.
Vpon your Brydale day, which is not long:
Sweete Themmes runne softlie, till I end my Song.
Against their wedding day, which was not long:
Sweete Themmes runne softly, till I end my song.
Against the bridale daye, which is not long:
Sweete Themmes runne softly till I end my Song.
Vpon the Brydale day, which is not long:
Sweete Themmes runne softly till I end my Song.
Against their Brydale day, which is not long:
Sweete Themmes runne softly, till I end my Song.

FINIS.

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arpadia RemoveThis @centrum.cz (Arpad) wrote in message news:<b062caa9.0409010301.4fa3a3d0 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>...
 > 1. Shakespeare
 > 2. Pushkin
 > 3. Goethe
 > 4. Dante
 > 5. Milton
 > 6. Baudelaire
 > 7. Homer
 > 8. Horace
 > 9. Keats
 > 10. Pindar
 >
 > By languages:
 >
 > ENGLISH
 >
 > 1. Shakespeare
 > 2. Milton
 > 3. Keats
 > 4. Yeats
 > 5. Shelley
 > 6. Browning
 > 7. Donne
 > 8. Hardy
 > 9. Auden
 > 10. Marvell
 >
 > RUSSIAN
 >
 > 1. Pushkin
 > 2. Blok
 > 3. Akhmatova
 > 4. Pasternak
 >
 > FRENCH
 >
 > 1. Baudelaire
 > 2. Hugo
 > 3. Rimbaud
 > 4. Ronsard
 >
 > GERMAN
 >
 > 1. Goethe
 > 2. Rilke
 > 3. Holderlin
 > 4. Heine


Ever wonder who among all the nations living now will make it to this
list?
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Dennis M. Hammes (scrawlmark@arvig.net) wrote:
: bookburn wrote:
: >
: > "Arpad" <arpadia.DeleteThis@centrum.cz> wrote in message
: > news:b062caa9.0409010301.4fa3a3d0@posting.google.com...
: > |
: > | By languages:
: > |
: > | ENGLISH
: > |
: > | 1. Shakespeare
: > | 2. Milton
: > | 3. Keats
: > | 4. Yeats
: > | 5. Shelley
: > | 6. Browning
: > | 7. Donne
: > | 8. Hardy
: > | 9. Auden
: > | 10. Marvell
: >
: > I would like to add Chaucer, Spenser, Blake, Coleridge, and Byron into
: > the Brits lineup. The Americans Poe, Whitman, Frost, Wallace Stevens,
: > and Amy Dickenson are at least equal to Shelly, Hardy, Auden, and
: > Marvell, who are probably 2nd raters, IMO.
: >
: > The women's vote would likely prefer Elizabeth Barret Browning and Amy
: > Dickenson to many of the above.

: I didn't know Emily /had/ a sister.

She did, but her name was Livinia (called Vinnie) and she wasn't a poet.


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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:32:02 +0000 (UTC), Brad Filippone wrote:

 > Dennis M. Hammes (scrawlmark@arvig.net) wrote:
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 > :> |
 > :> | By languages:
 > :> |
 > :> | ENGLISH
 > :> |
 > :> | 1. Shakespeare
 > :> | 2. Milton
 > :> | 3. Keats
 > :> | 4. Yeats
 > :> | 5. Shelley
 > :> | 6. Browning
 > :> | 7. Donne
 > :> | 8. Hardy
 > :> | 9. Auden
 > :> | 10. Marvell
 > :>
 > :> I would like to add Chaucer, Spenser, Blake, Coleridge, and Byron into
 > :> the Brits lineup. The Americans Poe, Whitman, Frost, Wallace Stevens,
 > :> and Amy Dickenson are at least equal to Shelly, Hardy, Auden, and
 > :> Marvell, who are probably 2nd raters, IMO.
 > :>
 > :> The women's vote would likely prefer Elizabeth Barret Browning and Amy
 > :> Dickenson to many of the above.
 >
 > : I didn't know Emily /had/ a sister.
 >
 > She did, but her name was Livinia (called Vinnie) and she wasn't a poet.
 >

I wonder if they were distantly related to Emily Dickinson?

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"Francis A. Miniter" <miniter RemoveThis @attglobalZZ.net> wrote:

 > As an aside, what does one do with someone like Samuel
 > Becket, who wrote his dramas sometimes first in
 > English and sometimes first in French and then did his own
 > translations?

Beckett never really became French despite learning the
language so well. Several of his friends have testified
to this fact. Culturally and psychologically he remained
totally Irish and Anglophone.

Of course, the things Beckett wrote in French are a part
of French literature, just as _Le Testament français_ by
Andreï Makine is a work of French literature, although the
author is Russian. In fact, Makine famously had some problems
at first convincing his publisher that a Russian could write
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