The Last Time I Commited Suicide

Hi Dave!

Thanx! I see. I know about Neal Cassady Collected Letters, 1944-1967.
I havent bought that book yet, right now I read letters by Kerouac an
amazing reading I must say. I look forward to read all letters by
Cassady too.

Best!
Henrick


"Dave Moore" <dave.RemoveThis@dsPaMmEjnOtmoore.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message

 >
 > Hi Henrick,
 >
 > The events in the movie are based on a letter that Neal wrote to Kerouac in
 > December 1950 -- the "Joan Anderson" letter. It is reproduced in the new
 > book "Neal Cassady: Collected Letters, 1944-1967" (Penguin).
 >
 > The events that Neal describes took place in 1945, when Neal was 19 years
 > old, living in Denver. Neal did not meet Kerouac and Ginsberg until a year
 > later, 1946, in New York, and he did not meet Carolyn until 1947. So that's
 > why they do not feature in the movie.
 >
 > Best wishes,
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Dave Moore wrote:
 > <spentomad DeleteThis @yahoo.se> wrote in message
 > news:18632f1.0502151024.398140ba@posting.google.com...
  > > Hi
  > >
  > > I saw this movie to day, not the best I have seen, but good.
  > > After I had seen this movie a few Qs comes up. In this movie
  > > Cassady skall be around 20 years old. But Kerouac or Ginsberg
  > > was not in the movie, where this Cassadys life before he meet
  > > Kerouac and Ginsberg? Cassadys girlfriend in the movie was
  > > Joan for a while. When did Cassady met Carolyn?
  > >
  > > Cheers!!
  > > Henrick
 >
 > Hi Henrick,
 >
 > The events in the movie are based on a letter that Neal wrote to
Kerouac in
 > December 1950 -- the "Joan Anderson" letter. It is reproduced in the
new
 > book "Neal Cassady: Collected Letters, 1944-1967" (Penguin).
 >
 > The events that Neal describes took place in 1945, when Neal was 19
years
 > old, living in Denver. Neal did not meet Kerouac and Ginsberg until a
year
 > later, 1946, in New York, and he did not meet Carolyn until 1947. So
that's
 > why they do not feature in the movie.
 >
 > Best wishes,
 > Dave Moore

Thanks for the heads up on the new book. I read an earlier collection,
"As Ever", and Neal's best, most relaxed writing seems to be in his
letters.

---
"But, truly, I have wept too much! The Dawns are heartbreaking. Every
moon is atrocious and every sun bitter."
Arthur Rimbaud

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THE COLLECTED LETTERS ARE AWESOME. There are so many details on Cassady
from these letters that I never read anywhere before. Quite revealing
and the earliest letters reveal him to be quiet a well read and
intellegent guy. The excellent annotations by Dave moore, right where
they are needed, makes this more of an oral autobigraphy than a
collection of letters. I'm half done with it and so happy it was
finally published. MORE than worth the wait. I't amazing that after
reading so much abt Cassady, that there was so much more to know.





Will Dockery wrote:
 > Dave Moore wrote:
  > > <spentomad.RemoveThis@yahoo.se> wrote in message
  > > news:18632f1.0502151024.398140ba@posting.google.com...
   > > > Hi
   > > >
   > > > I saw this movie to day, not the best I have seen, but good.
   > > > After I had seen this movie a few Qs comes up. In this movie
   > > > Cassady skall be around 20 years old. But Kerouac or Ginsberg
   > > > was not in the movie, where this Cassadys life before he meet
   > > > Kerouac and Ginsberg? Cassadys girlfriend in the movie was
   > > > Joan for a while. When did Cassady met Carolyn?
   > > >
   > > > Cheers!!
   > > > Henrick
  > >
  > > Hi Henrick,
  > >
  > > The events in the movie are based on a letter that Neal wrote to
 > Kerouac in
  > > December 1950 -- the "Joan Anderson" letter. It is reproduced in
the
 > new
  > > book "Neal Cassady: Collected Letters, 1944-1967" (Penguin).
  > >
  > > The events that Neal describes took place in 1945, when Neal was 19
 > years
  > > old, living in Denver. Neal did not meet Kerouac and Ginsberg until
a
 > year
  > > later, 1946, in New York, and he did not meet Carolyn until 1947.
So
 > that's
  > > why they do not feature in the movie.
  > >
  > > Best wishes,
  > > Dave Moore
 >
 > Thanks for the heads up on the new book. I read an earlier
collection,
 > "As Ever", and Neal's best, most relaxed writing seems to be in his
 > letters.
 >
 > ---
 > "But, truly, I have wept too much! The Dawns are heartbreaking. Every
 > moon is atrocious and every sun bitter."
 > Arthur Rimbaud
 >
 > Will Dockery & Zorro's Medicine Show:
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MP50.TakeThisOut@angelfire.com wrote:
 > THE COLLECTED LETTERS ARE AWESOME. There are so many details on
Cassady
 > from these letters that I never read anywhere before. Quite revealing
 > and the earliest letters reveal him to be quiet a well read and
 > intellegent guy. The excellent annotations by Dave moore, right where
 > they are needed, makes this more of an oral autobigraphy than a
 > collection of letters. I'm half done with it and so happy it was
 > finally published. MORE than worth the wait. I't amazing that after
 > reading so much abt Cassady, that there was so much more to know.

Gotta getta copy this weekend. Cassady was the heart and soul of the
Beatnik movement.

I have seen where the wolf has slept by the silver stream.
I can tell by the mark he left you were in his dream.
Ah child of countless trees, ah child of boundless seas.

What are you, what are you meant to be?
Speaks his name for you were born to me,
Born to me, cassidy.

Lost now on the country miles in his cadillac.
I can tell by the way you smile he is rolling back.
Come wash the nighttime clean, come grow the scorched ground
green.

Blow the horn, tap the tambourine.
Close the gap on the dark years in between.
You and me, cassidy.

Quick beats in an icy heart, catch colt draws a coffin cart,
There he goes and now here she starts, hear her cry.

Flight of the seabirds,
Scattered like lost words,
Wheel to the storm and fly.
Fare thee well now, let your life proceed by it?s own design.
Nothing to tell now, let the words be your?s, I?m done with
mine.
Fare thee well now, let your life proceed by it?s own design.
Nothing to tell now, let the words be your?s, I?m done with
mine.
-Grateful Dead

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"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does
not become a monster. And when you look into the abyss, the abyss also
looks into you" - Nietzsche, From Beyond Good and Evil (1886)

 > Will Dockery wrote:
  > > Dave Moore wrote:
   > > > <spentomad.TakeThisOut@yahoo.se> wrote in message
   > > > news:18632f1.0502151024.398140ba@posting.google.com...
   > > > > Hi
   > > > >
   > > > > I saw this movie to day, not the best I have seen, but good.
   > > > > After I had seen this movie a few Qs comes up. In this movie
   > > > > Cassady skall be around 20 years old. But Kerouac or Ginsberg
   > > > > was not in the movie, where this Cassadys life before he meet
   > > > > Kerouac and Ginsberg? Cassadys girlfriend in the movie was
   > > > > Joan for a while. When did Cassady met Carolyn?
   > > > >
   > > > > Cheers!!
   > > > > Henrick
   > > >
   > > > Hi Henrick,
   > > >
   > > > The events in the movie are based on a letter that Neal wrote to
  > > Kerouac in
   > > > December 1950 -- the "Joan Anderson" letter. It is reproduced in
 > the
  > > new
   > > > book "Neal Cassady: Collected Letters, 1944-1967" (Penguin).
   > > >
   > > > The events that Neal describes took place in 1945, when Neal was
19
  > > years
   > > > old, living in Denver. Neal did not meet Kerouac and Ginsberg
until
 > a
  > > year
   > > > later, 1946, in New York, and he did not meet Carolyn until 1947.
 > So
  > > that's
   > > > why they do not feature in the movie.
   > > >
   > > > Best wishes,
   > > > Dave Moore
  > >
  > > Thanks for the heads up on the new book. I read an earlier
 > collection,
  > > "As Ever", and Neal's best, most relaxed writing seems to be in his
  > > letters.
  > >
  > > ---
  > > "But, truly, I have wept too much! The Dawns are heartbreaking.
Every
  > > moon is atrocious and every sun bitter."
  > > Arthur Rimbaud
  > >
  > > Will Dockery & Zorro's Medicine Show:
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"Dave Moore" <dave.TakeThisOut@dsPaMmEjnOtmoore.fsnet.co.uk> wrote :

 > The events in the movie are based on a letter that Neal wrote to Kerouac
 > in December 1950 -- the "Joan Anderson" letter. It is reproduced in the
 > new book "Neal Cassady: Collected Letters, 1944-1967" (Penguin).

I think it's been told before, but if so I've forgotten. Here's what I do
remember about The Joan Letter.

When I was new in California in 1972, I lived for four months in the Neal
Cassady household, and was allowed to read Carolyn's collection of letters
from all the icons, reproduced from where the originals were stored (Texas
A&M, I think it was). I saw references in there to the Joan Letter, and
much anger expressed by Kerouac and maybe others and directed at someone who
owned a boat and took Neal among others out in San Francisco Bay, and
somehow the letter blew overboard and was lost. The pilot and owner of the
boat was blamed for the tragic loss by Kerouac.

In the back of The First Third was a series of letters used as filler. In
there was a story of a bus trip involving the hero and a lady named Joan. I
showed the letter to Carolyn, and she showed it to someone visiting (maybe
John Montgomery) with the idea that this might be the long-lost Joan Letter.
Obviously she was not aware at the time exactly what the Joan Letter was
about.

Now, I recall being told hereabouts, possibly by Dave Moore, that the two
Joans and the missives describing them are separate. But the question I
don't remember seeing the answer for is: If the famous Joan Letter was
lost, how was it found?

I apologize if all this has been well covered before, but isn't it
interesting how some memory remains steadfast amidst all the storms of
updates and corrections?


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Doubting Timus wrote:
 > "Dave Moore" <dave DeleteThis @dsPaMmEjnOtmoore.fsnet.co.uk> wrote :
 >
  > > The events in the movie are based on a letter that Neal wrote to
Kerouac
  > > in December 1950 -- the "Joan Anderson" letter. It is reproduced in
the
  > > new book "Neal Cassady: Collected Letters, 1944-1967" (Penguin).
 >
 > I think it's been told before, but if so I've forgotten. Here's what
I do
 > remember about The Joan Letter.
 >
 > When I was new in California in 1972, I lived for four months in the
Neal
 > Cassady household, and was allowed to read Carolyn's collection of
letters
 > from all the icons, reproduced from where the originals were stored
(Texas
 > A&M, I think it was). I saw references in there to the Joan Letter,
and
 > much anger expressed by Kerouac and maybe others and directed at
someone who
 > owned a boat and took Neal among others out in San Francisco Bay, and

 > somehow the letter blew overboard and was lost. The pilot and owner
of the
 > boat was blamed for the tragic loss by Kerouac.

In the "Memory Babe" bio, if my mem'ry serves me well, Kerouac had
thoughts that the guy with the boat, I forgot his name, actually "lost"
the writing out of jealousy of Cassady.

 > In the back of The First Third was a series of letters used as
filler. In
 > there was a story of a bus trip involving the hero and a lady named
Joan. I
 > showed the letter to Carolyn, and she showed it to someone visiting
(maybe
 > John Montgomery) with the idea that this might be the long-lost Joan
Letter.
 > Obviously she was not aware at the time exactly what the Joan Letter
was
 > about.
 >
 > Now, I recall being told hereabouts, possibly by Dave Moore, that the
two
 > Joans and the missives describing them are separate. But the
question I
 > don't remember seeing the answer for is: If the famous Joan Letter
was
 > lost, how was it found?
 >
 > I apologize if all this has been well covered before, but isn't it
 > interesting how some memory remains steadfast amidst all the storms
of
 > updates and corrections?

These important details can *never* be covered enough! Thus the endless
steam of bios on these heroes of the highest order!

Any and all memories you have of your time with Carolyn and the last of
the Beats are very welcome!

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"Doubting Timus" <woesong.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Dave Moore" <dave.DeleteThis@dsPaMmEjnOtmoore.fsnet.co.uk> wrote :
 >
  >> The events in the movie are based on a letter that Neal wrote to Kerouac
  >> in December 1950 -- the "Joan Anderson" letter. It is reproduced in the
  >> new book "Neal Cassady: Collected Letters, 1944-1967" (Penguin).
 >
 > I think it's been told before, but if so I've forgotten. Here's what I do
 > remember about The Joan Letter.
 >
 > When I was new in California in 1972, I lived for four months in the Neal
 > Cassady household, and was allowed to read Carolyn's collection of letters
 > from all the icons, reproduced from where the originals were stored (Texas
 > A&M, I think it was). I saw references in there to the Joan Letter, and
 > much anger expressed by Kerouac and maybe others and directed at someone
 > who owned a boat and took Neal among others out in San Francisco Bay, and
 > somehow the letter blew overboard and was lost. The pilot and owner of
 > the boat was blamed for the tragic loss by Kerouac.
 >
 > In the back of The First Third was a series of letters used as filler. In
 > there was a story of a bus trip involving the hero and a lady named Joan.
 > I showed the letter to Carolyn, and she showed it to someone visiting
 > (maybe John Montgomery) with the idea that this might be the long-lost
 > Joan Letter. Obviously she was not aware at the time exactly what the Joan
 > Letter was about.
 >
 > Now, I recall being told hereabouts, possibly by Dave Moore, that the two
 > Joans and the missives describing them are separate. But the question I
 > don't remember seeing the answer for is: If the famous Joan Letter was
 > lost, how was it found?
 >
 > I apologize if all this has been well covered before, but isn't it
 > interesting how some memory remains steadfast amidst all the storms of
 > updates and corrections?
 >
 >
 > --
 > Doubting Timus
 > ubi dubium ibi libertas
 > timus.DeleteThis@nerdnosh.com



Yes indeed. It has all been told before, even hereabouts. Check the archives
for 13 February 2004.


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"Will Dockery" <opbop1 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote :

 > Any and all memories you have of your time with Carolyn and the last of
 > the Beats are very welcome!

You asked for it.

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Pack a lunch.

Questions, comments, corrections always welcome.

Well...almost always...


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