Top 20 movies at IMDB

In <BPiPb.26902$p81.5696@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com> Gregg Cattanach
wrote:
> Thought it was interesting:
>
> 1 Godfather, The (1972) 9.0/10 (86557 votes)
> 2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994) 8.9/10 (108142 votes)
> 3 Godfather: Part II, The (1974) 8.8/10 (50541 votes)
> 4 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) 8.8/10 (43358
> votes) 5 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) 8.8/10 (71589
> votes) 6 Casablanca (1942) 8.7/10 (50248 votes) 7 Lord of the Rings:
> The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) 8.7/10 (115706 votes) 8
> Schindler's List (1993) 8.7/10 (73902 votes) 9 Shichinin no samurai (
> 1954) 8.7/10 (21162 votes) 10 Star Wars (1977) 8.7/10 (105770 votes)
> 11 Citizen Kane (1941) 8.7/10 (46887 votes) 12 One Flew Over the
> Cuckoo's Nest (1975) 8.6/10 (52563 votes) 13 Dr. Strangelove or: How I
> Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) 8.6/10 (47572 votes)
> 14 Rear Window (1954) 8.6/10 (30637 votes)
> 15 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 8.6/10 (81440
> votes)
> 16 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 8.6/10 (72280 votes)
> 17 Memento (2000) 8.6/10 (64095 votes)
> 18 Usual Suspects, The (1995) 8.6/10 (79423 votes)
> 19 Pulp Fiction (1994) 8.6/10 (95903 votes)
> 20 North by Northwest (1959) 8.5/10 (27308 votes)
>

Ok, GF II should be ahead of GF I, and they should both be ahead of
Shawshank.
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> In article <BPiPb.26902$p81.5696@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>, "Gregg
Cattanach" <gcattanach-SKIP-.TakeThisOut@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >Thought it was interesting:
> >
> >1 Godfather, The (1972) 9.0/10 (86557 votes)
> >2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994) 8.9/10 (108142 votes)
> >3 Godfather: Part II, The (1974) 8.8/10 (50541 votes)
> >4 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) 8.8/10 (43358
votes)
> >5 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) 8.8/10 (71589 votes)
> >6 Casablanca (1942) 8.7/10 (50248 votes)
> >7 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) 8.7/10
(115706
> >votes)
>
> You sure can tell the fanboy contigent is the main voting base.

There should be at least 5 year quarantine before a film
could be voted, if they wanted an accurate take.

Morgil
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On 21 Jan 2004 09:07:36 GMT, Pradera <pradera RemoveThis @pradera.prv.pl> wrote:

>On 21 sty 2004, "Morgil" <morestelx RemoveThis @hotmail.com> scribbled loosely:
>
>>
>> "Melquiades" <clay.c.nospam RemoveThis @mindspring.com> kirjoitti
>> viestissä:xljPb.17130$q4.5861@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>> In article <BPiPb.26902$p81.5696@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>, "Gregg
>> Cattanach" <gcattanach-SKIP- RemoveThis @prodigy.net> wrote:
>>> >Thought it was interesting:
>>> >
>>> >1 Godfather, The (1972) 9.0/10 (86557 votes)
>>> >2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994) 8.9/10 (108142 votes)
>>> >3 Godfather: Part II, The (1974) 8.8/10 (50541 votes)
>>> >4 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) 8.8/10 (43358
>> votes)
>>> >5 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) 8.8/10 (71589 votes)
>>> >6 Casablanca (1942) 8.7/10 (50248 votes)
>>> >7 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) 8.7/10
>> (115706
>>> >votes)
>>>
>>> You sure can tell the fanboy contigent is the main voting base.
>>
>> There should be at least 5 year quarantine before a film
>> could be voted, if they wanted an accurate take.
>>
>
>It still wouldn't get rid of Shawshank Redemption, if that's what you
>mean
>
>Methinks IMDB should give more accurate results. The top 10 is apart by
>0.5 points from each other. With 50.000 votes, I would like to know for
>example what's the exact difference between Seven Samurai and Fellowship
>of the Ring...

I don't know. Those strike me as pretty accurate for any purposes we
can have. Since it's all based on "what a bunch of guys voted for"
anyway, how can you worry about the subtle distinction between a
couple of "8.7" movies anyway?

They've already been manipulated in other ways anyway, or else some
movie with only one "10.0" vote would be the number one.

OTOH, if IMDB is offering a special "Top 100 films of all time" list,
they might want to do something to offset the (possibly temporary)
huge popularity of the LOTR movies.


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On 21 Jan 2004 09:07:36 GMT, Pradera <pradera RemoveThis @pradera.prv.pl> wrote:

>On 21 sty 2004, "Morgil" <morestelx RemoveThis @hotmail.com> scribbled loosely:
>
>>
>> "Melquiades" <clay.c.nospam RemoveThis @mindspring.com> kirjoitti
>> viestissä:xljPb.17130$q4.5861@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>> In article <BPiPb.26902$p81.5696@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>, "Gregg
>> Cattanach" <gcattanach-SKIP- RemoveThis @prodigy.net> wrote:
>>> >Thought it was interesting:
>>> >
>>> >1 Godfather, The (1972) 9.0/10 (86557 votes)
>>> >2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994) 8.9/10 (108142 votes)
>>> >3 Godfather: Part II, The (1974) 8.8/10 (50541 votes)
>>> >4 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) 8.8/10 (43358
>> votes)
>>> >5 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) 8.8/10 (71589 votes)
>>> >6 Casablanca (1942) 8.7/10 (50248 votes)
>>> >7 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) 8.7/10
>> (115706
>>> >votes)
>>>
>>> You sure can tell the fanboy contigent is the main voting base.
>>
>> There should be at least 5 year quarantine before a film
>> could be voted, if they wanted an accurate take.
>>
>
>It still wouldn't get rid of Shawshank Redemption, if that's what you
>mean
>
>Methinks IMDB should give more accurate results. The top 10 is apart by
>0.5 points from each other. With 50.000 votes, I would like to know for
>example what's the exact difference between Seven Samurai and Fellowship
>of the Ring...

It would be very interesting to see what would happen if you took
1,000 American citizens (above some minimum age) and had them watch
and rate all 1,000 of the top 1,000 titles.

For example, with some titles, there's a bias in the fact that only
people who would be willing to see that particular movie could
possibly be voting. But if you force all these people to watch all of
these movies...

How would some random 80-year-old vote regarding Pulp Fiction?
How would some random 14-year-old vote regarding Seven Samurai?

OTOH, that's not actually the most accurate test if I, as a guy who
thinks he might like Pulp Fiction, am wondering what other people who
saw it thought about it. I would be better represented by others who
have chosen to see it than by an old lady who saw it against her will.

So, again, IMDB seems to work okay.

.... Except that it's hard to find a bunch of guys who will give a "9"
movie an extra point to offset the damage by one angry guy who gives
it a "1." The difference is a lot more clear between an "8" and a
"10" than between a "2" and a "4."

Maybe it should be a scale from 1 to 5 instead...?
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Dgates <dgates.DeleteThis@nospamlinkline.com> wrote in message news:<962u0057g2ebve0bkspdm76k4d230j55f2.DeleteThis@4ax.com>...
> On 21 Jan 2004 09:07:36 GMT, Pradera <pradera.DeleteThis@pradera.prv.pl> wrote:
>
> >On 21 sty 2004, "Morgil" <morestelx.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> scribbled loosely:
> >
> >>
> >> "Melquiades" <clay.c.nospam.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> kirjoitti
> >> viestissä:xljPb.17130$q4.5861@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >>> In article <BPiPb.26902$p81.5696@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>, "Gregg
> Cattanach" <gcattanach-SKIP-.DeleteThis@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >>> >Thought it was interesting:
> >>> >
> >>> >1 Godfather, The (1972) 9.0/10 (86557 votes)
> >>> >2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994) 8.9/10 (108142 votes)
> >>> >3 Godfather: Part II, The (1974) 8.8/10 (50541 votes)
> >>> >4 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) 8.8/10 (43358
> votes)
> >>> >5 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) 8.8/10 (71589 votes)
> >>> >6 Casablanca (1942) 8.7/10 (50248 votes)
> >>> >7 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) 8.7/10
> (115706
> >>> >votes)
> >>>
> >>> You sure can tell the fanboy contigent is the main voting base.
> >>
> >> There should be at least 5 year quarantine before a film
> >> could be voted, if they wanted an accurate take.

I'm surprised that "The Matrix" is not on the list. I guess "Reloaded"
and "Revolutions" spoiled its rep.
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:07:36 +0000, Pradera wrote:

> I would like to know for
> example what's the exact difference between Seven Samurai and Fellowship
> of the Ring...

Well it's obvious isn't it.

The seven members of the seven Samurai were all Japanese, whereas the
nine members of the Fellowship were 4 Hobbits, two Men, one of the
Istari, an Elf and a Dwarf! <G>
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"Morgil" <morestelx RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Melquiades" <clay.c.nospam RemoveThis @mindspring.com> kirjoitti
> viestissä:xljPb.17130$q4.5861@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > In article <BPiPb.26902$p81.5696@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>, "Gregg
> Cattanach" <gcattanach-SKIP- RemoveThis @prodigy.net> wrote:
> > >Thought it was interesting:
> > >
> > >1 Godfather, The (1972) 9.0/10 (86557 votes)
> > >2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994) 8.9/10 (108142 votes)
> > >3 Godfather: Part II, The (1974) 8.8/10 (50541 votes)
> > >4 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) 8.8/10
(43358
> votes)
> > >5 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) 8.8/10 (71589
votes)
> > >6 Casablanca (1942) 8.7/10 (50248 votes)
> > >7 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) 8.7/10
> (115706
> > >votes)
> >
> > You sure can tell the fanboy contigent is the main voting base.
>
> There should be at least 5 year quarantine before a film
> could be voted, if they wanted an accurate take.

With that kind of vote-rigging creativity, you could have a job in
November. The only movies that would be kept out of the top 20 by the
application of a 5-year-wait rule would of course be the 3 LOTR movies
and Memento. I didn't know you didn't like Memento

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"Melquiades" <clay.c.nospam.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:xljPb.17130$q4.5861@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> In article <BPiPb.26902$p81.5696@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>, "Gregg
Cattanach" <gcattanach-SKIP-.TakeThisOut@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >Thought it was interesting:
> >
> >1 Godfather, The (1972) 9.0/10 (86557 votes)
> >2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994) 8.9/10 (108142 votes)
> >3 Godfather: Part II, The (1974) 8.8/10 (50541 votes)
> >4 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) 8.8/10 (43358
votes)
> >5 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) 8.8/10 (71589 votes)
> >6 Casablanca (1942) 8.7/10 (50248 votes)
> >7 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) 8.7/10
(115706
> >votes)
> >8 Schindler's List (1993) 8.7/10 (73902 votes)
> >9 Shichinin no samurai (1954) 8.7/10 (21162 votes)
> >10 Star Wars (1977) 8.7/10 (105770 votes)
> >11 Citizen Kane (1941) 8.7/10 (46887 votes)
> >12 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) 8.6/10 (52563 votes)
> >13 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the
Bomb
> >(1964) 8.6/10 (47572 votes)
> >14 Rear Window (1954) 8.6/10 (30637 votes)
> >15 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 8.6/10
(81440
> >votes)
> >16 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 8.6/10 (72280 votes)
> >17 Memento (2000) 8.6/10 (64095 votes)
> >18 Usual Suspects, The (1995) 8.6/10 (79423 votes)
> >19 Pulp Fiction (1994) 8.6/10 (95903 votes)
> >20 North by Northwest (1959) 8.5/10 (27308 votes)
>
> You sure can tell the fanboy contigent is the main voting base.

If you want to avoid the fanboy vote, compare the top 20 as voted by
female voters on imdb.com:

1 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) 8.9/10 (71988 votes)
2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994) 9.0/10 (108401 votes)
3 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) 8.9/10 (44280
votes)
4 Schindler's List (1993) 8.8/10 (74054 votes)
5 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) 8.8/10
(116082 votes)
6 Usual Suspects, The (1995) 8.7/10 (79593 votes)
7 Star Wars (1977) 8.8/10 (105943 votes)
8 Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain, Le (2001) 8.7/10 (40253 votes)
9 Princess Bride, The (1987) 8.2/10 (42381 votes)
10 Casablanca (1942) 8.8/10 (50362 votes)
11 Godfather, The (1972) 9.0/10 (86785 votes)
12 Memento (2000) 8.7/10 (64261 votes)
13 Rear Window (1954) 8.7/10 (30694 votes)
14 To Kill a Mockingbird (1962) 8.5/10 (22605 votes)
15 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) 8.7/10 (52689 votes)
16 Silence of the Lambs, The (1991) 8.5/10 (71279 votes)
17 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 8.7/10 (72430 votes)
18 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003) 8.0/10
(32396 votes)
19 Wizard of Oz, The (1939) 8.3/10 (29537 votes)
20 Gone with the Wind (1939) 8.1/10 (22011 votes)

Who knew that LOTR (especially TTT), Usual Suspects, and Star Wars were
really chick-flicks?

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> Who knew that LOTR (especially TTT), Usual Suspects, and Star Wars were
> really chick-flicks?

Or at least guys-who-pretend-to-be-chicks-on-the-internet-flicks
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>"Apteryx" <a.mutch.TakeThisOut@deletethistoreply.xtra.co.nz> wrote:

>If you want to avoid the fanboy vote, compare the top 20 as voted by
>female voters on imdb.com:
>
>1 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) 8.9/10 (71988 votes)
>2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994) 9.0/10 (108401 votes)
>3 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) 8.9/10 (44280
>votes)
>4 Schindler's List (1993) 8.8/10 (74054 votes)
>5 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) 8.8/10
>(116082 votes)
><snip>
>
>Who knew that LOTR (especially TTT), Usual Suspects, and Star Wars were
>really chick-flicks?

Just what I was going to say, but you beat me to it. The thing that's
amazing is the similarity of the male and female lists, not the few
differences. Of course, female members of the IMDb may not be
representative of the female population as a whole (fangirls?). And
judging by the close correspondence between the male and unified
lists, the sample size may be quite small (unfortunately the voting
figures above are male + female totals, not for females only).

Brenda

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in article vn7b10punk55nlh64e6unebp4gk9vc1mnp.RemoveThis@4ax.com, Brenda Selwyn at
brenda.RemoveThis@matson.demon.co.uk wrote on 1/26/04 5:14 PM:

> Of course, female members of the IMDb may not be
> representative of the female population as a whole (fangirls?).

I have always insisted that women in general are too intelligent to like
Sleepless in Seattle and intelligent enough to appreciate The Three Stooges,
despite the contrary stereotype.

JN
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James Neibaur wrote:

> I have always insisted that women in general are too intelligent to like
> Sleepless in Seattle and intelligent enough to appreciate The Three Stooges,
> despite the contrary stereotype.

Appreciating The Three Stooges requires intelligence?
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> Where did Gladiator or Forest Gump fall? I noticed there are some
> recent movies there that never even won Best Picture. Interesting....
>
>

I hope you're not prepared to make THAT argument, because it's the
weakest argument of all. A great many "Best Picture" Oscar winners
will never make any "All-time Best" lists. Conversely, many that have
never won the statuette are consistently voted among the all-time
best, by other groups.

"Citizen Kane" (1941) is the most obvious example. Cited frequently
as one of the greatest films ever made, it did not win with the Oscar
voters. Others that should have, but didn't:

Sunrise (1927)*
City Lights (1931)
King Kong (1933)
Sullivan's Travels (1942)
It's a Wonderful Life (1946)
The Treasure of Sierra Madre (1948)
The Searchers (1956)
Vertigo (1958)
Raging Bull (1980)
Pulp Fiction (1994)

About a dozen years ago, some group of film critics met to decide
which was the best film made in the 1980s. The near-unanimous choice
was "Raging Bull" (1980). Thus, the group disagreed with the Academy
for not only the 1980 award, but for all ten years of that decade.

In addition, there are numerous worthy films made before the Academy
Awards began. In no particular order, these include: Broken
Blossoms, The Phantom of the Opera, The Gold Rush, The General,
Metropolis, and The Crowd. All would be considered for a list of Best
Films Ever, by any thoughtful selection committee.

*Sunrise is asterisked because, though it did not win the Oscar as
Best Picture, it did win an Oscar for "Best Artistic Production" -- a
category that the Oscars would not use again.

Dan N.

P.S.: Some critics and fans complain that there are too many awards
shows today. The Oscars, the Golden Globes, the SAG awards, People's
Choice, etc.... But I applaud the existence of awards shows other
than the Oscars, if only because Oscar so frequently gets it wrong.

D.
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