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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 8:33 pm
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"Chelsea Christenson" <Chelsea.Christenson RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
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> James Neibaur wrote:
>
> > I have always insisted that women in general are too intelligent to like
> > Sleepless in Seattle and intelligent enough to appreciate The Three
Stooges,
> > despite the contrary stereotype.
>
> Appreciating The Three Stooges requires intelligence?
>

Only if you turn your intelligence off for the duration.


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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 8:36 pm
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Brenda Selwyn
> >The formula for calculating the top 250 films gives a true Bayesian estimate:
> >
> > weighted rank (WR) = (v ÷ (v+m)) × R + (m ÷ (v+m)) × C
> >
> > where:
> > R = average for the movie (mean) = (Rating)
> > v = number of votes for the movie = (votes)
> > m = minimum votes required to be listed in the top 250 (currently 1250)
> > C = the mean vote across the whole report (currently 6.9)
> >
> > note: for this top 250, only votes from regular voters are considered.
>
> I'm sure there's some statistician here who can pull this apart.
>

There is nothing to pull apart. This is merely an unbiased measure of
a movie's ranking against all other movies, given the unequal number
of votes each is likely to get. Of course, it assumes/hypothesizes the
existence of an independent observer, a mean of all men and women.

Here is why it is flawed. Suppose you allowed the population to vote
for the "greatest" physicists or mathematicians who ever lived.
Einstein and Newton would get high marks, but those in the know would
also give Max Planck and Samuel Eilenberg good marks as well. Thus, a
top 10 list from the general populace is meaningless.

If imdb were sensible, they would restrict voting on a top 100 list to
people who saw 80% of the movies in the voting pool. For instance, you
might have a master list of 1000 films that you want to skinny down to
100. To vote for the best 100, you'd have to prove you saw 800 or more
films from the list of 1000. Since gaza would not be able to provide
such credentials, he'd be eliminated from the eligible voters. I think
he is really about 16 or 17 years old, and could not possibly have
seen this many movies, even on an absolute basis. Why, only recently,
he saw 2001: A Space Odyssey. Well, he is not really that unique. You
can bet that most Academy members do not watch all the movies (and
performances)on which the nominations are based. Shoot, it's like
asking someone to watch all the presidential-candidate debates, before
voting. Don't bother me with the details.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:50 pm
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in article c07250.0401271539.5ef63cf7.RemoveThis@posting.google.com, Daneldorado at
daneldorado.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote on 1/27/04 5:39 PM:

> "Citizen Kane" (1941) is the most obvious example. Cited frequently
> as one of the greatest films ever made, it did not win with the Oscar
> voters. Others that should have, but didn't:
>
> Sunrise (1927)*
> City Lights (1931)
> King Kong (1933)
> Sullivan's Travels (1942)
> It's a Wonderful Life (1946)
> The Treasure of Sierra Madre (1948)
> The Searchers (1956)
> Vertigo (1958)
> Raging Bull (1980)
> Pulp Fiction (1994)

And the Oscars being notoriously poor in awarding comedians. Buster Keaton,
Harold Lloyd, Harry Langdon, The Marx Brothers, W.C. Fields, et. al., never
won an Oscar (not counting the overdue special awards given to Lloyd,
Groucho, et. al. years after their careers were over). Laurel and Hardy did
(for The Music Box), Woody Allen has, and Chaplin received one for The
Circus. That's really about it.

I am hoping Bill Murray snags one this year.

JN
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 6:09 am
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In rec.arts.books.tolkien Ollie W. Holmes <ollie_w_holmes RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
: Brenda Selwyn
:> I'm sure there's some statistician here who can pull this apart.
:>

: There is nothing to pull apart. This is merely an unbiased measure of
: a movie's ranking against all other movies, given the unequal number
: of votes each is likely to get. Of course, it assumes/hypothesizes the
: existence of an independent observer, a mean of all men and women.

: Here is why it is flawed. Suppose you allowed the population to vote
: for the "greatest" physicists or mathematicians who ever lived.
: Einstein and Newton would get high marks, but those in the know would
: also give Max Planck and Samuel Eilenberg good marks as well. Thus, a
: top 10 list from the general populace is meaningless.

Gee, that would be like letting the general populace decide what "great"
literature is, instead of academics. Smile

Stephen
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J. Theakston

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:29 am
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daneldorado.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (Daneldorado) wrote in message news:<c07250.0401271539.5ef63cf7.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>...
> In addition, there are numerous worthy films made before the Academy
> Awards began. In no particular order, these include: Broken
> Blossoms, The Phantom of the Opera, The Gold Rush, The General,
> Metropolis, and The Crowd. All would be considered for a list of Best
> Films Ever, by any thoughtful selection committee.

Actually, the first year of the AAs (1929), films going back two years
were accepted. Out of your list, THE CROWD was nominated for the
"Best Picture, Unique and Artistic Production" category, but lost out
to the (in my opinion) superior SUNRISE. THE GENERAL could also have
been nominated but wasn't at the time, and METROPOLIS was a foreign
production, and would not have been included.

Interestingly enough, the "Best Comedy picture" category that year won
was TWO ARABIAN KNIGHTS (1927), a film that *beat out* Harold Lloyd's
SPEEDY (1928), but is unheard of anymore (and at some point thought
lost), because it is being held for ransom by the Howard Hughes
estate. For what it's worth, THE PATRIOT and THE WAY OF ALL FLESH are
the only two movies on the AA roster that are lost.

-J. Theakston
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 3:05 pm
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=>> The runes were cast, the portents thundered and then Melquiades
warbled on about "Top 20 movies at IMDB" in r.a.m.c-f <<=

> Gregg Cattanach wrote:
> >Thought it was interesting:
> >
> >1 Godfather, The (1972) 9.0/10 (86557 votes)
> >2 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994) 8.9/10 (108142 votes)
> >3 Godfather: Part II, The (1974) 8.8/10 (50541 votes)
> >4 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) 8.8/10 (43358 votes)
> >5 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) 8.8/10 (71589 votes)
> >6 Casablanca (1942) 8.7/10 (50248 votes)
> >7 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) 8.7/10 (115706
> > votes)
> >8 Schindler's List (1993) 8.7/10 (73902 votes)
> >9 Shichinin no samurai (1954) 8.7/10 (21162 votes)
> >10 Star Wars (1977) 8.7/10 (105770 votes)
..... [snip] ....
>
> You sure can tell the fanboy contigent is the main voting base.

Or the fanboy negative voting too (anti-fanboy? negboy? nayboy?): FOTR used
to be at the top until all the Godfather fans block voted it all 1's to
deliberately lower its rating...

Personally I'm still of the opinion The Wrong Trousers deserves the top
spot. It was included and sitting on a 9.2 rating some years ago IIRC.


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