Torture Apologists

"Paul Stables" <psandje.RemoveThis@i-cable.com> wrote in message news:<40b7c843$1_1@rain.i-cable.com>...
> "*******-LO**M SALAAM (O881E)" <vVOROKALIKDAR.RemoveThis@UIOPISHSKLHJKLSNM.COM> wrote
> in message news:2hotbcFf5a94U1@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "selene1022" <selene1022v.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:cfdb308.0405280407.1ed69726@posting.google.com...
> > > "FussyKatie" <acmathis.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:<a6vtc.13078$Tn6.6860@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> > > > FussyKatie: A lot of you on this board seem to like the idea of
> > > > Arabs/Muslims being mistreated, but I disagree.
> > > >
> > > > This is from Counterpunch.org. Thought you might like
> > > > to read more of what Limbaugh is telling his hate-
> > > > mongers about torture in Iraq.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > No darlin, you're the one who doesn't mind seeing Arabs being
> > > mistreated. Saddam has murdered more Arabs than anyone in history. The
> > > pro-liberation posters on this board want to see Saddam, Osama and his
> > > t buddies defeated--big difference. Now run along. Bet your
> > > mommie has a few chores for you. And be careful about what you read on
> > > the internet. The type of people who believe that 911 was a conspiracy
> > > pulled off by the military-industrial complex run Counterpunch. Total
> > > brainrot.
> > >
> > > JV
> >
> > It's the same old same old selene: students have discovered the vices of
> the
> > people who set their agenda back in the 60s: ally yourself with any old
> > genocidal villain just as long as you all hate American and England.
> Orwell,
> > contrary to Rennie rantings, was onto this very early.
> > I've just spent a week in Brighton and one day went in a charming little
> > shop that sold musical instruments (mainly exotic ones) I was buying my
> g/f
> > a little accordion. Anyway, the man running it was very new age, very left
> > and aged about 50. He was soon into a rant against America, England, the
> > British empire, christianity, civilisation and even reason itself. Behind
> > him, on a wall, was a w great poster of Castro in his more youthful
> > days, lighting a cigar. Yeah, I tittered all right. I asked him how he
> could
> > be selling such a nice little accordion so cheap and he told me it was
> > because it was made in China by people on about forty quid a month. I
> asked
> > him why didn't he boycott the selling of slave-made musical instruments,
> but
> > between his coughing and his mobile going off I never did get to the
> bottom
> > of it.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Hypocrisy has been around since the beginning of time and let he or she who
> is without sin throw the first stone.
>
> The behaviour outlined by Robbie is worthy of comment and I think Robbie did
> the right thing in asking that difficult question about wages in Chinese
> sweat shops. Although of course 40 quid a month is better than 0 quid a
> month and precise comparisons are rather difficult to make because 40 quid
> goes much further in China than it does it Brighton.

So ROB did the right thing...how nice of you to give your very
important stamp of approval. I'm sure it means a lot.
>
> However, this and the childish tendency of some to rant as a spontaneous
> reflex to any mention of the Bush, Blair, or the British Empire does not
> excuse what has been going on in Iraq. It is well known that being in a
> position of power over a captive can corrupt the guard and any prison needs
> checks, balances and systematic controls to reduce this influence as much as
> possible. It is clear that these were not in place and this together with
> other forces (I suspect exposure to internet BDSM pornography) has led to
> the rather distasteful photographs we have seen. None of this can be
> dismissed in the Rush Limbaugh manner as being no worse than a fraternity
> ragging.

Who is dismissing it? Remember the Taguba report? I watched 2 days of
senate testimony. One guy has already been court marshalled, the idiot
general in charge has been relieved, and Sanchez will be brought home
in a few weeks and won't get promoted. And they haven't even finished
the investigation. What more do you want til the facts are in?
>
> My concern is that it will be the grunts that get punished while the middle
> and senior ranks - who should have put the systematic controls in place -
> won't suffer too much.

Well, you haven't been keeping up with the ongoing situation then. I
think the grunts SHOULD get punished though. They are the ones who
committed the crime. Do you REALLY REALLY think that if anyone in
authority knew what was going on, they would allow it to continue?
Miss Lyndie English was getting gang banged for the camera in front of
the detainees for christs sake, and as far as I know,has NEVER told
anyone who ordered her to hold that famous leash..why? How about
because nobody DID order her to do it--except her boyfriend. Let me
know when proof to the contrary shows up. Until then, I'd hold my
rightousness in check.

Oh, and just to make you happy, you little twit...hatehatehatehate.
Hope it makes your day. It's actually the only hate I can recall
writing here, except for my hatred of islamo-fascists, and that I'll
never apologise for.

JV
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> Paul Stables