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Robert Wiacek

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:53 am
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Some spoilers, just in case....










Why were the X-men even there? It seems Ellis included them just so he can
comment on how stupid they are at the end. Really no other reason. And
poking Collosus in the eyes? Lame. Wolverine, the "most dangerous mutant in
the Ultimate universe", being punked by just about everyone.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:58 pm
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 08:53:09 -0800, Robert Wiacek wrote:
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To me, it was more like, so they can market NIGHTMARE as the annual
Ultimate crossover event. But I agree the X-Men were pretty extraneous.

 > And poking Collosus in the eyes? Lame.

Yeah... I guess it's sort of a clever idea, except that AFAIK he's always
been drawn with metallic-looking eyes, which I would assume means that his
eyes are just as tough as the rest of him. Maybe this is a difference
between 616 Colossus and Ultimate Colussus, but... if the 616 version had
that weakness, it certainly would have come up by now. For example,
during the Mutant Massacre, he certainly would be been blinded by
Riptide (I think?) as well as being severely cut up.

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Dan McEwen

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:22 am
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"Robert Wiacek" <rwiacek RemoveThis @mail.utexas.edu> wrote in
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 > Why were the X-men even there? It seems Ellis included them just so he
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 > And poking Collosus in the eyes? Lame. Wolverine, the "most dangerous
 > mutant in the Ultimate universe", being punked by just about everyone.

The Colossus thing was a little off. His eyes were clearly something
other than normal, so I doubt they were ordinary eyes. Besides, steel
doesn't happen to bend as easily as it does for Colossus, so the eyes
thing doesn't really work so well.

As for Wolverine...well, it's about time. I always hated how he was
welcomed with open arms after attempting to murder Cyclops. It's like
the writers started believing he was actually MU Wolverine and began
writing him as if he were. I don't mind seeing him taken down a peg or
two.

I can't answer why the X-Men were present. They might have a bigger
role in one or both of the other mini's. Incidentally, I liked the
Vision. I can't wait to see him fixed up and working with the
Ultimates.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 4:46 pm
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Dan McEwen wrote:
> "Robert Wiacek" <rwiacek.DeleteThis@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in
> news:5X1Ud.3464$vW3.470@fe07.lga:
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> > Why were the X-men even there? It seems Ellis included them just so
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> > can comment on how stupid they are at the end. Really no other
reason.
> > And poking Collosus in the eyes? Lame. Wolverine, the "most
dangerous
> > mutant in the Ultimate universe", being punked by just about
everyone.
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> The Colossus thing was a little off. His eyes were clearly something
> other than normal, so I doubt they were ordinary eyes. Besides,
steel
> doesn't happen to bend as easily as it does for Colossus, so the eyes
> thing doesn't really work so well.
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> As for Wolverine...well, it's about time. I always hated how he was
> welcomed with open arms after attempting to murder Cyclops. It's
like
> the writers started believing he was actually MU Wolverine and began
> writing him as if he were. I don't mind seeing him taken down a peg
or
> two.
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> I can't answer why the X-Men were present. They might have a bigger
> role in one or both of the other mini's. Incidentally, I liked the
> Vision. I can't wait to see him fixed up and working with the
> Ultimates.

The eyes thing worked for me. It's logical that Colossus's eyes aren't
just solid steel ball-bearings since then he'd be blind, and logical
that they'd be more sensitive than other points. Presumably if they
were unaffected by his turn-to-steel power then the Falcon would have
blinded him, but no one wants to see that.

Wolverine worked for me, too. Captain America is the super-soldier;
anyone who can be beaten by melee fighting skills, Cap can beat them.
And if it's a matter of technological countermeasures to superpowers,
SHIELD are the guys for you. They plan for these situations.

The X-Men mission didn't accomplish anything except that the X-Men are
aware of Galactus incoming, which probably does, indeed, equip them to
partipate in the follow-up story. If they hadn't been there, I don't
think that Nick Fury would have shared. If necessary he'd have had the
SHIELD espers erase his own knowledge of Galactus before his next chat
with Professor X.

(Oh, and maybe the Russian super-freaks whom the X-Men took down would
have smacked the SHIELD team if the freaks didn't have to confront the
X-Men as well, at the same time.)

This wouldn't be the first comicbook story where some characters go
along and achieve nothing, or worse. As the story goes along, the
mutant team participates in the atmosphere, as things get spookier and
spookier. And you know that the two teams will meet in the middle and
it won't go well. Actually, that in itself was rather lame setup - too
much coincidence. And I'm not sure it's credible that the X-Men didn't
notice a signal blanketing all communications devices in the world
including theirs, unless say it's been "established" that Xavier
prefers mutant students to rely on their powers and on each others'
(telepathy), and not on homo sapiens inventions like the cell phone.

I have a few words on Nick Fury. Ultimate Nick Fury is not a nice man,
not even nearly, and I think we need to remember that harder. On a
good day he is an anti-hero. Remember when he first showed up? Weapon
X? Heck, remember the whole basis of the Ultimates programme, and
where it seems to be going now - at least as some characters see it;
get public support for publicly funded superheroes, then switch
emphasis from gaudy costumes to grim/gritty/spooky-as-in-CIA.
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