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(Msg. 31) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 3:11 am
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"Brian Doyle" <No_spam.DeleteThis@freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > 3) Rachel Grey?
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> Calling herself Summers is, and always was, unfair to Scott in the
present,
> as it enforces a relationship which has nothing to do with him. He was
never
> her dad, a future alternate version of him was.
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> Calling herself Grey, at least whilst Jean is dead, confirms her link to
> her parents, but not to living members of it.
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But Summers is *her* name. Besides, didn't Rachel talk it out with Jean and
Scott during Excalibur? Scott shouldn't have a problem with the fact that
Rachel is alt. timeline daughter. Plus, changing her name doesn't change his
knowledge of who/what she is.
Also, since main MU Scott isn't her father, she doesn't have any living
members connected to the name...both of her parents were dead well before
she came to the main timeline.
I was just responding to your points. The name isn't that big deal to
me...just something that I noticed different.
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 3:11 am
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Patrick McClue <mcclue RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Brian Doyle" <No_spam RemoveThis @freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > > 3) Rachel Grey?
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> > Calling herself Summers is, and always was, unfair to Scott in the
> present,
> > as it enforces a relationship which has nothing to do with him. He was
> never
> > her dad, a future alternate version of him was.
> >
> > Calling herself Grey, at least whilst Jean is dead, confirms her link
to
> > her parents, but not to living members of it.
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> >
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> But Summers is *her* name. Besides, didn't Rachel talk it out with Jean
and
> Scott during Excalibur? Scott shouldn't have a problem with the fact that
> Rachel is alt. timeline daughter. Plus, changing her name doesn't change
his
> knowledge of who/what she is.
>
> Also, since main MU Scott isn't her father, she doesn't have any living
> members connected to the name...both of her parents were dead well before
> she came to the main timeline.
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> I was just responding to your points. The name isn't that big deal to
> me...just something that I noticed different.
>
Perhaps it's Rachel's form of protest over the Scott/Emma situation. She's
decided to side with her mother in a rather obvious fashion.
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 3:24 am
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On Sun, 2 May 2004 09:27:47 +0100,"Brian Doyle"
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>"Patrick McClue" <mcclue.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> 3) Rachel Grey?
>
>Calling herself Summers is, and always was, unfair to Scott in the present,
>as it enforces a relationship which has nothing to do with him. He was never
>her dad, a future alternate version of him was.
>
I like this theory. Let's keep it <g>
>Calling herself Grey, at least whilst Jean is dead, confirms her link to
>her parents, but not to living members of it.
>
I hadn't even noticed it, but actually, now I hear in and roll it
around in my head, I like Rachel Grey, she's definitely her mother's
girl.
Anyone else have to do a double take on the kitty panel to (a) check
that was Bobby Icing her shoulder and more importantly (b) triple
check that it wasn't Piotr sitting next to her!! I'm assuming that it
must be Juggernaut- when did he get hot?
Christian
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 3:24 am
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Christian Smith <christian.RemoveThis@jasdigital.com> wrote in
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> Anyone else have to do a double take on the kitty panel to (a) check
> that was Bobby Icing her shoulder and more importantly (b) triple
> check that it wasn't Piotr sitting next to her!! I'm assuming that it
> must be Juggernaut- when did he get hot?
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Yes. It looked a lot like Piotr imo. Trthfully, I still didn't know it was
Bobby until you mentioned it.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 3:34 am
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On Sun, 02 May 2004 23:28:14 GMT,Janus <janusredway.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote
>Christian Smith <christian.RemoveThis@jasdigital.com> wrote in
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>> Anyone else have to do a double take on the kitty panel to (a) check
>> that was Bobby Icing her shoulder and more importantly (b) triple
>> check that it wasn't Piotr sitting next to her!! I'm assuming that it
>> must be Juggernaut- when did he get hot?
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>Yes. It looked a lot like Piotr imo. Trthfully, I still didn't know it was
>Bobby until you mentioned it.
I only guessed it because he was icing her shoulder.
It actually looked like Warhawk from way back before the DP Saga
initially!
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 4:24 am
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Janus <janusredway.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>> The New Mutants v1 never had one.
> Karma and Mirage both have certain telepathic abbilities.
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 4:34 am
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"Brian Doyle" <No_spam.DeleteThis@freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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>> 3) Rachel Grey?
>
> Calling herself Summers is, and always was, unfair to Scott in the
> present, as it enforces a relationship which has nothing to do with
> him. He was never her dad, a future alternate version of him was.
>
> Calling herself Grey, at least whilst Jean is dead, confirms her link
> to her parents, but not to living members of it.
I don't think this makes any sense at all. Regardless of what ties she
has to anyone, her name _is_ Rachel Summers. If I transported back in
time to an alternate universe, I wouldn't change my name just because
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 4:51 am
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"Janus" <janusredway DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > It is in my dictionary, but YMMV (and clearly does) and let's be honest
> > here, it's not a big deal. 
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> True. However debates like this always enlighten me. Most times the debate
> and historical research are more entertaining than current stories.
Well, I CAN go on arguing if you like, but I have a feeling we'll end up in
a Monty Python situation;
"Are you here for the10 minute argument, or is it the full half hour?"
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 6:24 am
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"Dan McEwen" <dannyboymcny DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> 3) Rachel Grey?
> >
> > Calling herself Summers is, and always was, unfair to Scott in the
> > present, as it enforces a relationship which has nothing to do with
> > him. He was never her dad, a future alternate version of him was.
> >
> > Calling herself Grey, at least whilst Jean is dead, confirms her link
> > to her parents, but not to living members of it.
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> I don't think this makes any sense at all.
Hey, that's what I'm good at!
> Regardless of what ties she has to anyone, her name _is_ Rachel Summers.
Or Hound #whatever, or Phoenix, or Mother Askani. She's had a lot of names.
> If I transported back in
> time to an alternate universe, I wouldn't change my name just because
> the analogues of my parents weren't my actual parents.
If you felt it might be causing pain to your "father" be reminded of
something that could now never be you might.
At some level Scott could see Rachel, and every time think. "That's the
daughter _I_ never had with Jean, and now I never will." Why make the guy
feel worse about losing his wife by flaunting the fact that where she was
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 10:00 am
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Billy Bissette <baines.DeleteThis@coastalnet.com> wrote in
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> The idea I got from the discussion at that point was that it was
> about the general "easy out" of having Marvel telepaths, and their
> impact on writing convincing threats in stories. Thus the comparison
> to the Avengers, and the later comments about Scarlet Witch being their
> own personal deus ex machina, at least when Thor and others aren't
> taking that role.
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That's what I had thought too. That's why I used Karma and Mirage, their
powers allow certain stories to be written. However, from what Brian told
me, they were mainly discussing the team communication aspect.
> Being able to communicate telepathically isn't really that big a
> deal when you compare it to the other things that Marvel telepaths
> generally can do. (Heck, give everyone mechanical equivalents for
> communication (like X-Treme X-Men's shades) and you've got at least
> the team communication option.)
Yup. I thought the same thing. That could be why Chris did that in Xtreme,
since he couldn't get Jean on the Xtreme roster.
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 11:02 am
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>Something involving hounds.
I only recently read about that story, so I'll give out my second hand
information. Ahab turned invisible woman and cyclops into hounds to hunt their
children, but cyclops wasn't able to track Rachel.
And let's face it, there is a bit of wolverine in Rachel's personality.
Hmm, how tough is Rachel without channeling the pheonix? If she suffers a
serious power loss, than that would be an argument that she doesn't have the
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 11:09 am
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From: "Brian Doyle" No_spam.TakeThisOut@freeserve.co.uk
>> I don't think this makes any sense at all.
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>Hey, that's what I'm good at!
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>> Regardless of what ties she has to anyone, her name _is_ Rachel Summers.
>
>Or Hound #whatever, or Phoenix, or Mother Askani. She's had a lot of names.
We like to call her "Bertha Sue" for fun.
J
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 12:57 pm
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Brian Doyle wrote:
> "Dan McEwen" <dannyboymcny.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>If I transported back in
>>time to an alternate universe, I wouldn't change my name just because
>>the analogues of my parents weren't my actual parents.
> If you felt it might be causing pain to your "father" be reminded of
> something that could now never be you might.
In fact, she was for so long, more of a pain to Jean than Scott. He accepted her pretty
easily, but Jean was 'tormented' by her future being written in stone.
> At some level Scott could see Rachel, and every time think. "That's the
> daughter _I_ never had with Jean, and now I never will." Why make the guy
> feel worse about losing his wife by flaunting the fact that where she was
> from they had a child they got to raise together.
He could be upset, or he could be very happy to have 'something' left of Jean. It could go
either way. I like the idea that she is consciously choosing Grey to dig at Scott
betraying Jean. Good story concept.
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 9:16 pm
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Lo and behold, on Mon, 3 May 2004 03:24:07 +0100 "Brian Doyle"
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>"Dan McEwen" <dannyboymcny RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Brian Doyle" <No_spam RemoveThis @freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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>> > "Patrick McClue" <mcclue RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >> 3) Rachel Grey?
>> >
>> > Calling herself Summers is, and always was, unfair to Scott in the
>> > present, as it enforces a relationship which has nothing to do with
>> > him. He was never her dad, a future alternate version of him was.
>> >
>> > Calling herself Grey, at least whilst Jean is dead, confirms her link
>> > to her parents, but not to living members of it.
>>
>> I don't think this makes any sense at all.
>
>Hey, that's what I'm good at!
>
>> Regardless of what ties she has to anyone, her name _is_ Rachel Summers.
>
>Or Hound #whatever, or Phoenix, or Mother Askani. She's had a lot of names.
>
>> If I transported back in
>> time to an alternate universe, I wouldn't change my name just because
>> the analogues of my parents weren't my actual parents.
>
>If you felt it might be causing pain to your "father" be reminded of
>something that could now never be you might.
>
>At some level Scott could see Rachel, and every time think. "That's the
>daughter _I_ never had with Jean, and now I never will." Why make the guy
>feel worse about losing his wife by flaunting the fact that where she was
>from they had a child they got to raise together.
Eh, I think it's enough for him to see her around to think that. Why
he'd worry about what her last name is, I can't fathom. (Except for
the fact that Cyclops worries about everything, that is.)
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 9:16 pm
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On Mon, 03 May 2004 18:16:19 +0200, Christian Henriksson
<chenrik.DeleteThis@tiscali.se> wrote:
>Lo and behold, on Mon, 3 May 2004 03:24:07 +0100 "Brian Doyle"
><No_spam.DeleteThis@freeserve.co.uk> sayeth thus:
>>"Dan McEwen" <dannyboymcny.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> If I transported back in
>>> time to an alternate universe, I wouldn't change my name just because
>>> the analogues of my parents weren't my actual parents.
>>If you felt it might be causing pain to your "father" be reminded of
>>something that could now never be you might.
>>At some level Scott could see Rachel, and every time think. "That's the
>>daughter _I_ never had with Jean, and now I never will." Why make the guy
>>feel worse about losing his wife by flaunting the fact that where she was
>>from they had a child they got to raise together.
>
>Eh, I think it's enough for him to see her around to think that. Why
>he'd worry about what her last name is, I can't fathom. (Except for
>the fact that Cyclops worries about everything, that is.)
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