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(Msg. 46) Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 1:22 am
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"Dan McEwen" <dannyboymcny RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> Three things that made me say "huh?":
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> >> 2) Emma playing baseball?!?
> >
> > She's trying very hard to fit into her new approach to the role of
> > Headmistress.
>
> That's actually the best explanation I've heard as to why she's doing
> that. Since she wanted to keep the school going so badly, I guess it's
> possible she's making sacrifices to show that she means it. Of course,
> I have a hard time seeing anyone inviting her.
It would look odd to the kids if she wasn't invited, many of whom seem to be
quite fond of her, or at least consider her "cool". (see recent New Mutants
issues) Not to mention that Hank, Logan, Bobby, Paige and Jubilee all have
been established as being fond of her for one reason or another. Oh, plus,
no one would want to piss off Scott by saying no. I can think of only three
people who would outright complain, and that's Kitty, Storm and Tessa, and
all three have been shown to be able to (grudgingly) tolerate her in small
doses. Hell, the "Schism" arc in X-Treme showed Storm and Emma gaining some
grudging respect for one another.
Dave
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(Msg. 47) Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 3:30 am
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"AJSolis" <ajsolis.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Something involving hounds.
> I only recently read about that story, so I'll give out my second hand
> information. Ahab turned invisible woman and cyclops into hounds to hunt
their
> children, but cyclops wasn't able to track Rachel.
> And let's face it, there is a bit of wolverine in Rachel's personality.
> Hmm, how tough is Rachel without channeling the pheonix? If she
suffers a
> serious power loss, than that would be an argument that she doesn't have
the
> whole cyclop's solar battery/jean's psychic powers gestalt going for her.
>
>
Yeah, I've heard of the hound thing...but we also had Sinister get a sample
of Rachel's blood and confirm that she is a Summers, although the genetic
makeup is slightly different due to the fact that she is from an alternate
timeline....which could also be the reason why Scott couldn't track her when
he was a hound. So the real question isn't why couldn't Scott track Rachel,
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(Msg. 48) Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 3:30 am
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"Patrick McClue" <mcclue DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Yeah, I've heard of the hound thing...but we also had Sinister get a
> sample of Rachel's blood and confirm that she is a Summers, although
> the genetic makeup is slightly different due to the fact that she is
> from an alternate timeline....which could also be the reason why Scott
> couldn't track her when he was a hound. So the real question isn't
> why couldn't Scott track Rachel, but why could Sue track Franklin?
Considering how Marvel has treated Franklin in the past, maybe there
is only one Franklin across all alternate timelines. Maybe they might
look different, but are connected in a way that no other alternate
universe character is. He could be the center and foundation of the
Marvel Universe... 
Or the writer just wanted it vague as to whether Scott was really
Rachel's father. Or it had something to do with the Phoenix Force.
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(Msg. 49) Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 3:32 am
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"Nathan P. Mahney" <nmahney.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "Brian Doyle" <No_spam.TakeThisOut@freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > > "Patrick McClue" <mcclue.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > 3) Rachel Grey?
> > >
> > > Calling herself Summers is, and always was, unfair to Scott in the
> > present,
> > > as it enforces a relationship which has nothing to do with him. He was
> > never
> > > her dad, a future alternate version of him was.
> > >
> > > Calling herself Grey, at least whilst Jean is dead, confirms her link
> to
> > > her parents, but not to living members of it.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > But Summers is *her* name. Besides, didn't Rachel talk it out with Jean
> and
> > Scott during Excalibur? Scott shouldn't have a problem with the fact
that
> > Rachel is alt. timeline daughter. Plus, changing her name doesn't change
> his
> > knowledge of who/what she is.
> >
> > Also, since main MU Scott isn't her father, she doesn't have any living
> > members connected to the name...both of her parents were dead well
before
> > she came to the main timeline.
> >
> > I was just responding to your points. The name isn't that big deal to
> > me...just something that I noticed different.
> >
>
> Perhaps it's Rachel's form of protest over the Scott/Emma situation.
She's
> decided to side with her mother in a rather obvious fashion.
>
> - Nathan P. Mahney -
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>
That's an interesting idea...and in those few pages I can see that there
were some friction between them...Rachel could be seeing Emma as "evil
step-mother"
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(Msg. 50) Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 3:32 am
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"Patrick McClue" <mcclue RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Patrick McClue <mcclue RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > > 3) Rachel Grey?
> > > >
> > > > Calling herself Summers is, and always was, unfair to Scott in the
> > > present,
> > > > as it enforces a relationship which has nothing to do with him. He
was
> > > never
> > > > her dad, a future alternate version of him was.
> > > >
> > > > Calling herself Grey, at least whilst Jean is dead, confirms her
link
> > to
> > > > her parents, but not to living members of it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > But Summers is *her* name. Besides, didn't Rachel talk it out with
Jean
> > and
> > > Scott during Excalibur? Scott shouldn't have a problem with the fact
> that
> > > Rachel is alt. timeline daughter. Plus, changing her name doesn't
change
> > his
> > > knowledge of who/what she is.
> > >
> > > Also, since main MU Scott isn't her father, she doesn't have any
living
> > > members connected to the name...both of her parents were dead well
> before
> > > she came to the main timeline.
> > >
> > > I was just responding to your points. The name isn't that big deal to
> > > me...just something that I noticed different.
> > >
> >
> > Perhaps it's Rachel's form of protest over the Scott/Emma situation.
> She's
> > decided to side with her mother in a rather obvious fashion.
> >
> > - Nathan P. Mahney -
> >
> >
>
> That's an interesting idea...and in those few pages I can see that there
> were some friction between them...Rachel could be seeing Emma as "evil
> step-mother"
>
> Patrick
It also fits with the closeness she has shown with Kitty (one of the
die-hard Emma-haters) over in the final X-Treme issue- solidarity with her
girlfriend, and all that.
Dave
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(Msg. 51) Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 3:37 am
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> > >> 3) Rachel Grey?
> > >
> > > Calling herself Summers is, and always was, unfair to Scott in the
> > > present, as it enforces a relationship which has nothing to do with
> > > him. He was never her dad, a future alternate version of him was.
> > >
> > > Calling herself Grey, at least whilst Jean is dead, confirms her link
> > > to her parents, but not to living members of it.
> >
> > I don't think this makes any sense at all.
>
> Hey, that's what I'm good at!
>
> > Regardless of what ties she has to anyone, her name _is_ Rachel Summers.
>
> Or Hound #whatever, or Phoenix, or Mother Askani. She's had a lot of
names.
>
> > If I transported back in
> > time to an alternate universe, I wouldn't change my name just because
> > the analogues of my parents weren't my actual parents.
>
> If you felt it might be causing pain to your "father" be reminded of
> something that could now never be you might.
>
> At some level Scott could see Rachel, and every time think. "That's the
> daughter _I_ never had with Jean, and now I never will." Why make the guy
> feel worse about losing his wife by flaunting the fact that where she was
> from they had a child they got to raise together.
>
Don't forget that Scott and Jean did raise Nathan in the future as "Slim"
and "Red" so they did raise a child together.
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(Msg. 52) Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 3:41 am
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"Patrick McClue" <mcclue DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Perhaps it's Rachel's form of protest over the Scott/Emma situation.
> She's
> > decided to side with her mother in a rather obvious fashion.
> >
> > - Nathan P. Mahney -
>
> That's an interesting idea...and in those few pages I can see that there
> were some friction between them...Rachel could be seeing Emma as "evil
> step-mother"
>
Just thought, maybe she started calling herself Rachel Grey when she was
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(Msg. 53) Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 3:41 am
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Donnacha DeLong wrote:
> Just thought, maybe she started calling herself Rachel Grey when she was
> incognito in college.
Depends if she wanted to be claimed as a dependant of maybe Grandma & Grandpa Grey, Jean's
parents so she could go to State College on a 'Resident Tuition'?
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> > > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps it's Rachel's form of protest over the Scott/Emma situation.
> > She's
> > > decided to side with her mother in a rather obvious fashion.
> > >
> > > - Nathan P. Mahney -
> >
> > That's an interesting idea...and in those few pages I can see that there
> > were some friction between them...Rachel could be seeing Emma as "evil
> > step-mother"
> >
> Just thought, maybe she started calling herself Rachel Grey when she was
> incognito in college.
>
It wouldn't surprise me, with the track record the X-Man have with creating
false identities.
"Sam Guthry?"
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(Msg. 55) Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 3:21 pm
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"Billy Bissette" <baines DeleteThis @coastalnet.com> wrote in message
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> "Patrick McClue" <mcclue DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
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> > Yeah, I've heard of the hound thing...but we also had Sinister get a
> > sample of Rachel's blood and confirm that she is a Summers, although
> > the genetic makeup is slightly different due to the fact that she is
> > from an alternate timeline....which could also be the reason why Scott
> > couldn't track her when he was a hound. So the real question isn't
> > why couldn't Scott track Rachel, but why could Sue track Franklin?
>
> Considering how Marvel has treated Franklin in the past, maybe there
> is only one Franklin across all alternate timelines. Maybe they might
> look different, but are connected in a way that no other alternate
> universe character is. He could be the center and foundation of the
> Marvel Universe...
>
> Or the writer just wanted it vague as to whether Scott was really
> Rachel's father. Or it had something to do with the Phoenix Force.
>
> Hey, maybe Logan is actually a member of the Summers family? That's
> a fairly Marvel thing to do as well...
I wouldn't like it, but it wouldn't really surprised me either...and that
would give the Rachel-is-Wolvie's-daughter supporters the reason why she is
also genetically a Summers. So how about this: Wolverine is Scott, Alex,
and Gambit's great grand father, Sabertooth is Wolverine's brother,
Wildchild is Sabertooth's son, FOH Creed is Wolverine's nephew, Cable is
Wolverine's great-great-grandson, Corsair is absent from he new Starjammers
series because he is populating the entire Shi'ar galaxy with Summerses
(in case you don't catch it, I'm not the least bit serious about this)
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> "lord zog" <evil_lord_zog.TakeThisOut@spin.net.au> wrote in message
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> > > "Brian Doyle" <No_spam.TakeThisOut@freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > > > "Patrick McClue" <mcclue.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > You can see first looks at
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> > > > >
> > > > > Three things that made me say "huh?":
> > > >
> > > > > 2) Emma playing baseball?!?
> > > >
> > > > She's trying very hard to fit into her new approach to the role of
> > > > Headmistress.
> > >
> > > I was hoping that Marvel would put Rachel on Cykes and the White
> > > Queens team. Talk about tension!
> >
> > Given her father is widely speculated to be Wolvy instead of Scott?
> > --
>
> Here we go again!
I like to think that there's at least one universe where Jean had more
sense than Earth 616's version.
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AJSolis wrote:
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> >Something involving hounds.
> I only recently read about that story, so I'll give out my second hand
> information. Ahab turned invisible woman and cyclops into hounds to hunt their
> children, but cyclops wasn't able to track Rachel.
> And let's face it, there is a bit of wolverine in Rachel's personality.
> Hmm, how tough is Rachel without channeling the pheonix? If she suffers a
> serious power loss, than that would be an argument that she doesn't have the
> whole cyclop's solar battery/jean's psychic powers gestalt going for her.
There's also Claremont healing her right quick when Wolvie stabbed her when
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 09:37:33 +1000, lord zog
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>AJSolis wrot
>> >Something involving hounds.
>> I only recently read about that story, so I'll give out my second hand
>> information. Ahab turned invisible woman and cyclops into hounds to hunt their
>> children, but cyclops wasn't able to track Rachel.
>> And let's face it, there is a bit of wolverine in Rachel's personality.
>> Hmm, how tough is Rachel without channeling the pheonix? If she suffers a
>> serious power loss, than that would be an argument that she doesn't have the
>> whole cyclop's solar battery/jean's psychic powers gestalt going for her.
>There's also Claremont healing her right quick when Wolvie stabbed her when
>she was about to off Selene
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lord zog <evil_lord_zog.DeleteThis@spin.net.au> wrote in
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> AJSolis wrote:
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>> >Something involving hounds.
>> I only recently read about that story, so I'll give out my second
>> hand
>> information. Ahab turned invisible woman and cyclops into hounds to
>> hunt their children, but cyclops wasn't able to track Rachel.
>> And let's face it, there is a bit of wolverine in Rachel's
>> personality. Hmm, how tough is Rachel without channeling the
>> pheonix? If she suffers a
>> serious power loss, than that would be an argument that she doesn't
>> have the whole cyclop's solar battery/jean's psychic powers gestalt
>> going for her.
>
> There's also Claremont healing her right quick when Wolvie stabbed her
Except that was never really true. She was using her telekinesis to
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> > > > > > You can see first looks at
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Three things that made me say "huh?":
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2) Emma playing baseball?!?
> > > > >
> > > > > She's trying very hard to fit into her new approach to the role of
> > > > > Headmistress.
> > > >
> > > > I was hoping that Marvel would put Rachel on Cykes and the White
> > > > Queens team. Talk about tension!
> > >
> > > Given her father is widely speculated to be Wolvy instead of Scott?
> > > --
> >
> > Here we go again!
>
> I like to think that there's at least one universe where Jean had more
> sense than Earth 616's version.
>
More sense involves shacking up with Wolverine?
Besides, we've got proof that Rachel's a Summers. It was Havok, I tells ya!
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