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(Msg. 61) Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 1:02 pm
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 10:02:24 GMT,"Nathan P. Mahney"
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>Besides, we've got proof that Rachel's a Summers. It was Havok, I tells ya!
Nah, it was Corsair
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(Msg. 62) Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 1:28 am
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> > >> You can see first looks at
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> > >>
> > >> Three things that made me say "huh?":
> > >
> > >> 2) Emma playing baseball?!?
> > >
> > > She's trying very hard to fit into her new approach to the role of
> > > Headmistress.
> >
> > That's actually the best explanation I've heard as to why she's doing
> > that. Since she wanted to keep the school going so badly, I guess it's
> > possible she's making sacrifices to show that she means it. Of course,
> > I have a hard time seeing anyone inviting her.
>
> It would look odd to the kids if she wasn't invited, many of whom seem to
be
> quite fond of her, or at least consider her "cool". (see recent New
Mutants
> issues) Not to mention that Hank, Logan, Bobby, Paige and Jubilee all have
> been established as being fond of her for one reason or another. Oh, plus,
> no one would want to piss off Scott by saying no. I can think of only
three
> people who would outright complain, and that's Kitty, Storm and Tessa, and
> all three have been shown to be able to (grudgingly) tolerate her in small
> doses. Hell, the "Schism" arc in X-Treme showed Storm and Emma gaining
some
> grudging respect for one another.
>
> Dave
> (Emma #1 Fan)
The only problem I have with Emma joining the X-fold, Dave, is that she was
an *awesome* villian. Who can forget that last splash page when the evil
White Queen steps out from the cockpit into the cargo area with several
X-Men capacitated?
For whatever reason, the X-Men too often take cool villians and make them
teammates.
Besides Emma, we have Rogue, Mystique (to degrees) and Juggernaut. I can
understand Juggernaut because you can only do but so many Juggernaut stories
when he bursts into the X-Mansion looking for Charles. But Mystique and Emma
should definitely have stayed evil in my book. The only true success story
is Rogue, who was young and confused, so it worked well. And let's not
forget Callisto and Marrow of the Morlocks (another orignal and awesome
storyline).
The X-Men don't have many team adversaries anymore as a result. The Hellfire
Club and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants were two of the coolest villian
teams we had to look forward, too. Alpha Flight's original appearance was
extremely menacing, as well -- now look at them...!
Speaking of which, how does Northstar fit into this whole relaunch? I don't
recall seeing his name anywhere. Jean Paul could have been put to great use,
but he was used cheesily once he came onboard. I have no idea where he is
now. Anyone know?
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(Msg. 63) Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 11:31 am
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> > > >> You can see first looks at
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> > > >>
> > > >> Three things that made me say "huh?":
>
> > > >> 2) Emma playing baseball?!?
> > > >
> > > > She's trying very hard to fit into her new approach to the role of
> > > > Headmistress.
> > >
> > > That's actually the best explanation I've heard as to why she's doing
> > > that. Since she wanted to keep the school going so badly, I guess it's
> > > possible she's making sacrifices to show that she means it. Of course,
> > > I have a hard time seeing anyone inviting her.
> >
> > It would look odd to the kids if she wasn't invited, many of whom seem to
> be
> > quite fond of her, or at least consider her "cool". (see recent New
> Mutants
> > issues) Not to mention that Hank, Logan, Bobby, Paige and Jubilee all have
> > been established as being fond of her for one reason or another. Oh, plus,
> > no one would want to piss off Scott by saying no. I can think of only
> three
> > people who would outright complain, and that's Kitty, Storm and Tessa, and
> > all three have been shown to be able to (grudgingly) tolerate her in small
> > doses. Hell, the "Schism" arc in X-Treme showed Storm and Emma gaining
> some
> > grudging respect for one another.
> >
> > Dave
> > (Emma #1 Fan)
>
>
> The only problem I have with Emma joining the X-fold, Dave, is that she was
> an *awesome* villian. Who can forget that last splash page when the evil
> White Queen steps out from the cockpit into the cargo area with several
> X-Men capacitated?
>
Emma was brought into the X-fold so long ago (she ran Gen X for how
many years?) that I really can't complain about it or blame it on her
current creative team. If anything the recent use of the character is
truer to those earlier days of characterization as many of the
intermittent years.
> Speaking of which, how does Northstar fit into this whole relaunch? I don't
> recall seeing his name anywhere. Jean Paul could have been put to great use,
> but he was used cheesily once he came onboard. I have no idea where he is
> now. Anyone know?
Yeah. What was up with bringing him into the school under the
auspices of him teaching finance and then just having him function as
a flight instructor in an ugly costume for most of his run?
Think he has been lost in the shufle and/or made availble to the Alpha
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(Msg. 64) Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 7:43 pm
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In message <13d78654.0405080731.3392e9b3.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>, JinX
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>Emma was brought into the X-fold so long ago (she ran Gen X for how
>many years?) that I really can't complain about it or blame it on her
>current creative team.
Prior to becoming the mentor of Generation X, Emma was in a coma for
several years, going back to 1991.
She hasn't actually been an active supervillain for 13 years.
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(Msg. 65) Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 1:59 am
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> > > >> You can see first looks at
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> > > >>
> > > >> Three things that made me say "huh?":
> > > >
> > > >> 2) Emma playing baseball?!?
> > > >
> > > > She's trying very hard to fit into her new approach to the role of
> > > > Headmistress.
> > >
> > > That's actually the best explanation I've heard as to why she's doing
> > > that. Since she wanted to keep the school going so badly, I guess
it's
> > > possible she's making sacrifices to show that she means it. Of
course,
> > > I have a hard time seeing anyone inviting her.
> >
> > It would look odd to the kids if she wasn't invited, many of whom seem
to
> be
> > quite fond of her, or at least consider her "cool". (see recent New
> Mutants
> > issues) Not to mention that Hank, Logan, Bobby, Paige and Jubilee all
have
> > been established as being fond of her for one reason or another. Oh,
plus,
> > no one would want to piss off Scott by saying no. I can think of only
> three
> > people who would outright complain, and that's Kitty, Storm and Tessa,
and
> > all three have been shown to be able to (grudgingly) tolerate her in
small
> > doses. Hell, the "Schism" arc in X-Treme showed Storm and Emma gaining
> some
> > grudging respect for one another.
> >
> > Dave
> > (Emma #1 Fan)
>
>
> The only problem I have with Emma joining the X-fold, Dave, is that she
was
> an *awesome* villian. Who can forget that last splash page when the evil
> White Queen steps out from the cockpit into the cargo area with several
> X-Men capacitated?
>
> For whatever reason, the X-Men too often take cool villians and make them
> teammates.
I won't argue that point, as I think it's fairly valid- *however*, the fact
of the matter is that Emma has been an ally of the X-Folks for nigh-on ten
years (RL time) now, and as such has formed various connections with them.
As things stand now, there's dozens of good, in-story reasons for her to
suit up and play x-ball, and very few for her to be excluded. Was Emma a
cool vilalin? But of course. I just don't think fans and the writers should
forget that she's got a fair bit of history as a bitchy heroine, as well.
(The Other) Dave
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(Msg. 66) Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 2:42 am
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"David Henry" <telemachus7.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote in
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> It has been a while since Emma's been part of the Inner Circle. And
> even though she was "evil" at one point, she always had an altruistic
> streak in her in caring for mutants as well -- although her motivation
> to gather young mutants seemed much differnt than Xavier's.
I would hardly call her motivations altruistic. Emma wanted a team that
she could send against the X-Men. That was the entire purpose of the
Hellions, though possibly they could have been of more use had they ever
defeated the X-Men. The Hellions were also partly bankrolled by Shaw,
or I always gathered this was true since he showed up at the
Massachusetts Academy a couple times to look in on them.
> I do miss the old Hellfire Club (including Selene), but do enjoy
> Emma's relationship with Scott. She seems like just the type of bad
> girl Scott needs to give him more edge. And I do enjoy her interaction
> with the Stepford brats. I like their brash and open resentment of
> Emma. I also like the way Hank supports her -- it's totally in
> character with his open, forgiving nature.
I would love to see a strong Hellfire Club return. I thik they lost it
when they started bickering amongst one another. Emma, Harry, and
Sebastian were a true team. They seemed to watch each other's backs and
at least held respect for one another, if not having actual friendship.
Even Pierce, prior to the New Mutants GN, had some sort of grudging
respect for his allies. This all seemed to change when Selene came on
board. The HC slowly seemed to fragment and never quite pulled itself
together to be what it had once been. Had Tessa not been turned into a
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(Msg. 67) Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 6:25 am
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> I also like the way Hank supports her -- it's totally in character with his open,
> forgiving nature.
I rather enjoyed the way Emma supported Hank in the face of the
journalists who thought him subhuman... her reaction in that instance
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(Msg. 68) Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 1:11 pm
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"Dan McEwen" <dannyboymcny RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "David Henry" <telemachus7 RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote in
> news:0bWdnaAcnfZk8wDdRVn-vw@comcast.com:
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> > It has been a while since Emma's been part of the Inner Circle. And
> > even though she was "evil" at one point, she always had an altruistic
> > streak in her in caring for mutants as well -- although her motivation
> > to gather young mutants seemed much differnt than Xavier's.
>
> I would hardly call her motivations altruistic. Emma wanted a team that
> she could send against the X-Men. That was the entire purpose of the
> Hellions, though possibly they could have been of more use had they ever
> defeated the X-Men.
Hey, they were still a bunch of kids in training, which is why they were
shown more versus the New Mutants. I'm sure that eventually, some of them
would have been able to be a credible threat to the X-Men. (Empath was
pretty good at it already)
> The Hellions were also partly bankrolled by Shaw,
> or I always gathered this was true since he showed up at the
> Massachusetts Academy a couple times to look in on them.
Shaw and Frost were business partners in several areas and loyalty to the
Hellfire Club would be expected. Jetstream's cybernetics were from Shaw
Industries IIRC.
> I would love to see a strong Hellfire Club return. I thik they lost it
> when they started bickering amongst one another. Emma, Harry, and
> Sebastian were a true team. They seemed to watch each other's backs and
> at least held respect for one another, if not having actual friendship.
> Even Pierce, prior to the New Mutants GN, had some sort of grudging
> respect for his allies. This all seemed to change when Selene came on
> board. The HC slowly seemed to fragment and never quite pulled itself
> together to be what it had once been.
This is true IMHO, and they never truly reconstructed after Nimrod's attack.
(And as for the Shinobi Show stories... <<shudder>>)
>Had Tessa not been turned into a
> heroine, I think she might have made an interesting White Queen.
If Emma can become a good guy, I have no problem with someone like Tessa
becoing a bad guy for real at some point. She seems to be more swayed by
logic than emotion, and if logic dictates a non-heroic course of action as
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(Msg. 69) Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 3:39 pm
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"Brian Doyle" <No_spam DeleteThis @freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >Had Tessa not been turned into a
> > heroine, I think she might have made an interesting White Queen.
>
> If Emma can become a good guy, I have no problem with someone like Tessa
> becoing a bad guy for real at some point. She seems to be more swayed by
> logic than emotion, and if logic dictates a non-heroic course of action as
> being the only solution to a problem......
>
That would be very interesting. She's got a Mujahedeen background (just
wondering, does that mean she was a Muslim?) and her involvement in X-Treme
seemed less of a loss of heart with Xavier (like all the others except for
Bishop) and more of a disagreement on tactics. Bishop's another candidate as
his move to X-Treme was completely tactical and showed that his hero worship
of the X-Men is pretty much dead. He's unlikely to become a villain, but he
could end up turning against the X-Men at some point.
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> >Emma was brought into the X-fold so long ago (she ran Gen X for how
> >many years?) that I really can't complain about it or blame it on her
> >current creative team.
>
> Prior to becoming the mentor of Generation X, Emma was in a coma for
> several years, going back to 1991.
>
> She hasn't actually been an active supervillain for 13 years.
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In message <2g7m3hF5andaU1 DeleteThis @uni-berlin.de>, The Babaloughesian
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>Serveral years? 1991? 13 years? What's this amount to in Marvel
>Time?
If you can pin Marvel down to a coherent timeline for the length of the
Marvel Universe, you're a better man than me. Marvel used to say it was
around a decade, but that was... well, back in the late eighties. I've
seen estimates vary from 10 to 20 years.
The reality is that Marvel have never really cared particularly about
having a solid timeline and different characters age at different rates.
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(Msg. 72) Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 1:56 am
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Paul O'Brien <paul.DeleteThis@SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote in
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> In message <2g7m3hF5andaU1.DeleteThis@uni-berlin.de>, The Babaloughesian
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>>Serveral years? 1991? 13 years? What's this amount to in Marvel
>>Time?
>
> If you can pin Marvel down to a coherent timeline for the length of the
> Marvel Universe, you're a better man than me. Marvel used to say it was
> around a decade, but that was... well, back in the late eighties. I've
> seen estimates vary from 10 to 20 years.
>
> The reality is that Marvel have never really cared particularly about
> having a solid timeline and different characters age at different rates.
I remember one time Marvel claimed something like 4 real years per
Marvel year, and that that kind of did work at least for some titles.
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>> "David Henry" <telemachus7.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote in
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>> > It has been a while since Emma's been part of the Inner Circle. And
>> > even though she was "evil" at one point, she always had an
>> > altruistic streak in her in caring for mutants as well -- although
>> > her motivation to gather young mutants seemed much differnt than
>> > Xavier's.
>>
>> I would hardly call her motivations altruistic. Emma wanted a team
>> that she could send against the X-Men. That was the entire purpose
>> of the Hellions, though possibly they could have been of more use had
>> they ever defeated the X-Men.
>
> Hey, they were still a bunch of kids in training, which is why they
> were shown more versus the New Mutants. I'm sure that eventually, some
> of them would have been able to be a credible threat to the X-Men.
> (Empath was pretty good at it already)
The reason they went against the New Mutants is because the New Mutants
invaded the Massachusetts Academy to take back Kitty. There's no reason
to think they were intended to fight the New Mutants. In fact, the
Hellions did go against the X-Men in UXM #193, with Thunderbird leading
the team to "avenge" his brother's death.
From what I can see, the Hellions were never intentionally sent against
the New Mutants. It was just that situations were such that they
encountered each other on occasion. In most meetings, the New Mutants
had to leave the confines of Xavier's in order to encounter them.
Actually, the only time I can recall a Hellion as Xavier's is when
Empath showed up to mess with Magneto's head.
>> The Hellions were also partly bankrolled by Shaw,
>> or I always gathered this was true since he showed up at the
>> Massachusetts Academy a couple times to look in on them.
>
> Shaw and Frost were business partners in several areas and loyalty to
> the Hellfire Club would be expected. Jetstream's cybernetics were from
> Shaw Industries IIRC.
Which true, I figure the Hellions were a HC-sponsored team. Actually, I
suppose it's more likely that they were supported just by the Inner
Circle.
>> I would love to see a strong Hellfire Club return. I thik they lost
>> it when they started bickering amongst one another. Emma, Harry, and
>> Sebastian were a true team. They seemed to watch each other's backs
>> and at least held respect for one another, if not having actual
>> friendship. Even Pierce, prior to the New Mutants GN, had some sort
>> of grudging respect for his allies. This all seemed to change when
>> Selene came on board. The HC slowly seemed to fragment and never
>> quite pulled itself together to be what it had once been.
>
> This is true IMHO, and they never truly reconstructed after Nimrod's
> attack. (And as for the Shinobi Show stories... <<shudder>>)
Yes, well, there's a reason I didn't bring up Shinobi. I'm not saying
he was impossibly bad, but the idea of creating a new IC from scratch
didn't work, and the members weren't up to the task of being "behind the
scenes" villains the way they were supposed to be. Money was always
supposed to be the key. Super-powers were a perk, and used to their
advantage, but not really for battle against others unless absolutely
necessary. (Such as their clashes with the X-Men.)
>>Had Tessa not been turned into a
>> heroine, I think she might have made an interesting White Queen.
>
> If Emma can become a good guy, I have no problem with someone like
> Tessa becoing a bad guy for real at some point. She seems to be more
> swayed by logic than emotion, and if logic dictates a non-heroic
> course of action as being the only solution to a problem......
I sometimes wondered if she hadn't been designed to eventually become
more than just Shaw's sidekick. Ah, well, such wasted potential. Still,
someone else could be groomed for the position at some point. >> Stay informed about: Uncanny #444 preview comments |
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"The Babaloughesian" <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in
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> "Paul O'Brien" <paul.RemoveThis@SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:8Y$VeRAEAQnAFwFA@esoterica.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <13d78654.0405080731.3392e9b3.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>, JinX
>> <jinxdv8.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> writes
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>> >Emma was brought into the X-fold so long ago (she ran Gen X for how
>> >many years?) that I really can't complain about it or blame it on
>> >her current creative team.
>>
>> Prior to becoming the mentor of Generation X, Emma was in a coma for
>> several years, going back to 1991.
>>
>> She hasn't actually been an active supervillain for 13 years.
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> Serveral years? 1991? 13 years? What's this amount to in Marvel
> Time?
*shrug* Probably about two weeks or so. Well, no, it's got to be more
than that since at least a year passed during Morrison's run. Still,
with aging being what it is (Franklin still at age 6, but Kitty has aged
about 7 or so years), it likely doesn't matter a whole lot. >> Stay informed about: Uncanny #444 preview comments |
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"Dan McEwen" <dannyboymcny DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Brian Doyle" <No_spam DeleteThis @freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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> > "Dan McEwen" <dannyboymcny DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> > It has been a while since Emma's been part of the Inner Circle. And
> >> > even though she was "evil" at one point, she always had an
> >> > altruistic streak in her in caring for mutants as well -- although
> >> > her motivation to gather young mutants seemed much differnt than
> >> > Xavier's.
> >>
> >> I would hardly call her motivations altruistic. Emma wanted a team
> >> that she could send against the X-Men. That was the entire purpose
> >> of the Hellions, though possibly they could have been of more use had
> >> they ever defeated the X-Men.
> >
> > Hey, they were still a bunch of kids in training, which is why they
> > were shown more versus the New Mutants. I'm sure that eventually, some
> > of them would have been able to be a credible threat to the X-Men.
> > (Empath was pretty good at it already)
>
> The reason they went against the New Mutants is because the New Mutants
> invaded the Massachusetts Academy to take back Kitty. There's no reason
> to think they were intended to fight the New Mutants.
I never said they were, I said they were kids in training and would
eventually have been useful against the X-Men.
> Actually, the only time I can recall a Hellion as Xavier's is when
> Empath showed up to mess with Magneto's head.
That's about right.
> Which true, I figure the Hellions were a HC-sponsored team. Actually, I
> suppose it's more likely that they were supported just by the Inner
> Circle.
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