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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:34 am
Post subject: Uncanny X-Men 227
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The end of this issue (Uncanny X-Men 227) always bugged me. Its the
very end of Fall of the Mutants and the godess Roma brings all of the
X-Men back from the dead and gives them a chance at a new life. One of
her gifts to them was the ability to not be detected by video/audio
equipment. I know this kept up for several years and was even
mentioned in the Havok/Wolverine mini-series Meltdown. They were able
to modify their own equipment to see each other.
Then all of a sudden, everyone could see them around the time of
Extenction Agenda. My question is this: Is it ever officially
determined how people could all of a sudden see the X-Men on video and
hear them over audio transmissions?
Also, in this issue, Roma gives the X-Men the Siege Perilous, which
they can go through to reset their lives (several of them ended up
going through it.) Is the Siege Perilous an item distinct to the
Marvel Universe, or is it an item that's referenced from classic
literature?
Thanks!
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 7:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Uncanny X-Men 227 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 29 Jun 2004 08:34:41 -0700,wpind@yahoo.com (SpaceMonkey) wrote
>Then all of a sudden, everyone could see them around the time of
>Extenction Agenda. My question is this: Is it ever officially
>determined how people could all of a sudden see the X-Men on video and
>hear them over audio transmissions?
Officially, no.
However, around the same time as their fading, over in Excalibur,
Otherworld and Roma were involved in some major problems which *could*
have necessitated the need for the spell to be reversed
Alternatively, it stopped around Adjectiveless issue 3 when CC left
and took the invisibility with him...
Christian
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Uncanny X-Men 227 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:54:53 +0100, Christian Smith
<christian DeleteThis @jasdigital.com> wrote:
>On 29 Jun 2004 08:34:41 -0700,wpind@yahoo.com (SpaceMonkey) wrote
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>>Then all of a sudden, everyone could see them around the time of
>>Extenction Agenda. My question is this: Is it ever officially
>>determined how people could all of a sudden see the X-Men on video and
>>hear them over audio transmissions?
>
>Officially, no.
While I don't think it was stated, I think those that went through the
Seige Perilous (sp?) and were "remade" - possibly could have broken
the spell. Of couse Wolvie, Storm and Longshot did not go through,
so... who knows. (other then as stated, CC leaving and the whole
matter being dropped)
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:30 am
Post subject: Re: Uncanny X-Men 227 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Topps wrote:
>>> Then all of a sudden, everyone could see them around the time of
>>> Extenction Agenda. My question is this: Is it ever officially
>>> determined how people could all of a sudden see the X-Men on video and
>>> hear them over audio transmissions?
>>
>> Officially, no.
>
> While I don't think it was stated, I think those that went through the
> Seige Perilous (sp?) and were "remade" - possibly could have broken
> the spell. Of couse Wolvie, Storm and Longshot did not go through,
> so... who knows. (other then as stated, CC leaving and the whole
> matter being dropped)
Except even after they went through the Siege Perilous, they still couldn't be
seen. The destruction of the lighthouse and damage to Otherworld that was done
in Excalibur seems like the best theory.
And to pick a nit: The first time they were seen on camera was X-Men (v2) #1,
shortly before Claremont left. With just a little jumbling, it is possible to
fit the events in Excalibur into the chronology.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:19 am
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On 29 Jun 2004 08:34:41 -0700, wpind.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (SpaceMonkey) wrote:
>The end of this issue (Uncanny X-Men 227) always bugged me. Its the
>very end of Fall of the Mutants and the godess Roma brings all of the
>X-Men back from the dead and gives them a chance at a new life. One of
>her gifts to them was the ability to not be detected by video/audio
>equipment. I know this kept up for several years and was even
>mentioned in the Havok/Wolverine mini-series Meltdown. They were able
>to modify their own equipment to see each other.
>
>Then all of a sudden, everyone could see them around the time of
>Extenction Agenda. My question is this: Is it ever officially
>determined how people could all of a sudden see the X-Men on video and
>hear them over audio transmissions?
>
>Also, in this issue, Roma gives the X-Men the Siege Perilous, which
>they can go through to reset their lives (several of them ended up
>going through it.) Is the Siege Perilous an item distinct to the
>Marvel Universe, or is it an item that's referenced from classic
>literature?
The Siege Perilous is from Arthurian Legend. It was a seat at the
Round Table that only the Grail Knight could sit in. Anyone else who
sat it would suffer a terrible fate. Ultimately the Siege Perilous was
claimed by Sir Galahad.
In Marvel Comics, the original SIege Perilous was a circle of stones
in which Brian Braddock was asked by Merlin to choose between the
Sword of Might and the Amulet of Right. He chose the Amulet and became
Captain Brit ian.
Honestly, what this or Claremont's magic doorway has to do with the SP
from Arthurian legend is beyond me.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Uncanny X-Men 227 |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:25 am
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"Jeremy Henderson" <hellpop DeleteThis @tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:9u44e0p6l83oeanl06s883k0u443td4ss3@4ax.com...
> On 29 Jun 2004 08:34:41 -0700, wpind DeleteThis @yahoo.com (SpaceMonkey) wrote:
>
> The Siege Perilous is from Arthurian Legend. It was a seat at the
> Round Table that only the Grail Knight could sit in. Anyone else who
> sat it would suffer a terrible fate. Ultimately the Siege Perilous was
> claimed by Sir Galahad.
>
> In Marvel Comics, the original SIege Perilous was a circle of stones
> in which Brian Braddock was asked by Merlin to choose between the
> Sword of Might and the Amulet of Right. He chose the Amulet and became
> Captain Brit ian.
>
Was it specifically named in the original stories, or later? If the former,
then it's Claremont's idea.
> Honestly, what this or Claremont's magic doorway has to do with the SP
> from Arthurian legend is beyond me.
If he used it originally when he wrote Captain Britain, maybe he has a link
between the two in mind, tying somehow into the myth.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:57 am
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Donnacha DeLong wrote:
>> The Siege Perilous is from Arthurian Legend. It was a seat at the
>> Round Table that only the Grail Knight could sit in. Anyone else who
>> sat it would suffer a terrible fate. Ultimately the Siege Perilous was
>> claimed by Sir Galahad.
>>
>> In Marvel Comics, the original SIege Perilous was a circle of stones
>> in which Brian Braddock was asked by Merlin to choose between the
>> Sword of Might and the Amulet of Right. He chose the Amulet and became
>> Captain Brit ian.
>
> Was it specifically named in the original stories, or later? If the former,
> then it's Claremont's idea.
Claremont created that version, as well. It appeared in the first Captain
Britain series, issues #1-2.
>> Honestly, what this or Claremont's magic doorway has to do with the SP
>> from Arthurian legend is beyond me.
>
> If he used it originally when he wrote Captain Britain, maybe he has a link
> between the two in mind, tying somehow into the myth.
There is a similarity. They all judge people on a certain level.
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