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Wouter Valentijn <liam.DeleteThis@valentijn.nu> did eloquently scribble:
> That might assimilate the crew. I know.
> Otoh, raw power can be enough to overpower Borg.
> Just ask Species 8472...

There was more to it with raw power with them.
They rejected normal borg nanoprobes due to their somewhat unique physiology
too.
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Rich Corinthian Leather wrote:
> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> schreef in bericht
>> news:4600DE34.EC357101@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>>> Goa'uld mother ship (Stargate) vs Borg Cube (Star Trek) vs Xindi
>>> planet destroying sphere (Enterprise: Twilight) vs the planet
>>> destroyer from Classic Trek vs Death Star (Star Wars) vs Shadow
>>> Crab (Babylon 5).
>>
>> Death Star.
>
> Oh, please, an Enterprise-era shuttle could wipe out a Death Star in
> seconds!
>

Only if it was allowed to come near the thing and had advanced intell about
its weakness.
What to do about all those turbo lasers and TIE fighters?

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"Wouter Valentijn" <liam DeleteThis @valentijn.nu> wrote in message
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> Rich Corinthian Leather wrote:
>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>>> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> schreef in bericht
>>> news:4600DE34.EC357101@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>>>> Goa'uld mother ship (Stargate) vs Borg Cube (Star Trek) vs Xindi
>>>> planet destroying sphere (Enterprise: Twilight) vs the planet
>>>> destroyer from Classic Trek vs Death Star (Star Wars) vs Shadow
>>>> Crab (Babylon 5).
>>>
>>> Death Star.
>>
>> Oh, please, an Enterprise-era shuttle could wipe out a Death Star in
>> seconds!
>>
>
> Only if it was allowed to come near the thing and had advanced intell
> about its weakness.
> What to do about all those turbo lasers and TIE fighters?
>
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> "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"
>
> Order given by David Farragut at the Battle of Mobile Bay
>

I know this isn't in the list presented by the original poster, but I would
choose Mega-Maid from Spaceballs. After all, comedic plot will always
"clean up" self-righteous drama.

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Wouter Valentijn wrote:

> Rich Corinthian Leather wrote:
> > Wouter Valentijn wrote:
> >> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> schreef in bericht
> >> news:4600DE34.EC357101@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> >>> Goa'uld mother ship (Stargate) vs Borg Cube (Star Trek) vs Xindi
> >>> planet destroying sphere (Enterprise: Twilight) vs the planet
> >>> destroyer from Classic Trek vs Death Star (Star Wars) vs Shadow
> >>> Crab (Babylon 5).
> >>
> >> Death Star.
> >
> > Oh, please, an Enterprise-era shuttle could wipe out a Death Star in
> > seconds!
> >
>
> Only if it was allowed to come near the thing and had advanced intell about
> its weakness.
> What to do about all those turbo lasers and TIE fighters?

The 2nd Death Star fixed the flaw Luke Skywalker exploited, so an Enterprise
shuttle would not be able to destroy Death Star 2.
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spike1 RemoveThis @freenet.co.uk wrote:
> Wouter Valentijn <liam RemoveThis @valentijn.nu> did eloquently scribble:
>> That might assimilate the crew. I know.
>> Otoh, raw power can be enough to overpower Borg.
>> Just ask Species 8472...
>
> There was more to it with raw power with them.
> They rejected normal borg nanoprobes due to their somewhat unique
> physiology too.

That's only an issue with assimilation.
We also saw them blowing up cubes and even planets like it was nothing.


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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> did eloquently scribble:
> Wouter Valentijn wrote:

>> <spike1.TakeThisOut@freenet.co.uk> schreef in bericht
>> news:d6p3d4-kr3.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...
>> > David E. Milligan <davideml.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> did eloquently scribble:
>> >
>> >> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
>> >> news:45FE2BC9.E09EEE1E@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>> >>> Goa'uld mother ship (Stargate) vs Borg Cube (Star Trek) vs Death Star
>> >>> (Star Wars) vs Shadow Crab (Babylon 5).
>> >>>
>> >
>> >> What about the Andromeda Ascendant's Nova Bombs? - Can destroy an
>> >> entire planet (as can the Death Star).
>> >
>> > No, nova bombs cause stars to go nova, so they destroy entire solar
>> > systems...
>> >
>> > Samantha carter's done that.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> It also has been done in Star Trek.
>> See 'Generations' and also similar tech was almost used in DS9.
>> Of course the moment the Q had their civil war several stars went supernova.

> And the Q quickly developed weapons which were as relatively effective as Civil
> War era weapons. I assume that that's why Q make the Q Continuum look to
> Janeway like the Civil War, and made the guns look like Civil War guns.

Relative to them, maybe, but Q did say if one of those weapons hit her,
she'd be destroyed.
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Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>
>> Rich Corinthian Leather wrote:
>>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>>>> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> schreef in bericht
>>>> news:4600DE34.EC357101@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>>>>> Goa'uld mother ship (Stargate) vs Borg Cube (Star Trek) vs Xindi
>>>>> planet destroying sphere (Enterprise: Twilight) vs the planet
>>>>> destroyer from Classic Trek vs Death Star (Star Wars) vs Shadow
>>>>> Crab (Babylon 5).
>>>> Death Star.
>>> Oh, please, an Enterprise-era shuttle could wipe out a Death Star in
>>> seconds!
>>>
>> Only if it was allowed to come near the thing and had advanced intell about
>> its weakness.
>> What to do about all those turbo lasers and TIE fighters?
>
> The 2nd Death Star fixed the flaw Luke Skywalker exploited, so an Enterprise
> shuttle would not be able to destroy Death Star 2.
>
The OP didn't state whether the Death Star in the proposed conflagration
was the original or updated one!

Of all the ships of destruction originally mentioned, the Death Star
(presuming the original version) and the planet-destroyer from TOS,
would be the weakest while the Shadow Crab (B5) would be the strongest,
IMHO.

The weakest ships would fare poorly because of design and apparent lack
of defensive capability. The Shadow Crab is the strongest because it's
nearly impossible to destroy. (If I recall, didn't it require help from
the Ancients and the combined Younger Races' forces to destroy it)?

RCL
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Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> Rich Corinthian Leather wrote:
>
>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>>> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> schreef in bericht
>>> news:4600DE34.EC357101@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>>>> Goa'uld mother ship (Stargate) vs Borg Cube (Star Trek) vs Xindi planet
>>>> destroying sphere (Enterprise: Twilight) vs the planet destroyer from
>>>> Classic Trek vs Death Star (Star Wars) vs Shadow Crab (Babylon 5).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Death Star.
>> Oh, please, an Enterprise-era shuttle could wipe out a Death Star in
>> seconds!
>
> How?
>
It could be loaded with anti-matter, programmed as a bomb, or even
transported inside the Death Star at its weakest point as a booby trap.
The Enterprises shuttle pods seemed to be very maneuverable and could
out-fly a TIE fighter. Given the creative tactics common is Star Trek,
the Star Wars vehicles wouldn't stand a chance!

RCL
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Tim Bruening wrote:
> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>
>> Rich Corinthian Leather wrote:
>>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>>>> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> schreef in bericht
>>>> news:4600DE34.EC357101@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>>>>> Goa'uld mother ship (Stargate) vs Borg Cube (Star Trek) vs Xindi
>>>>> planet destroying sphere (Enterprise: Twilight) vs the planet
>>>>> destroyer from Classic Trek vs Death Star (Star Wars) vs Shadow
>>>>> Crab (Babylon 5).
>>>>
>>>> Death Star.
>>>
>>> Oh, please, an Enterprise-era shuttle could wipe out a Death Star in
>>> seconds!
>>>
>>
>> Only if it was allowed to come near the thing and had advanced
>> intell about its weakness.
>> What to do about all those turbo lasers and TIE fighters?
>
> The 2nd Death Star fixed the flaw Luke Skywalker exploited, so an
> Enterprise shuttle would not be able to destroy Death Star 2.

Indeed.


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Wouter Valentijn wrote:
> spike1 DeleteThis @freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> Wouter Valentijn <liam DeleteThis @valentijn.nu> did eloquently scribble:
>>
>>> <spike1 DeleteThis @freenet.co.uk> schreef in bericht
>>> news:aqe3d4-g93.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...
>>>> Wouter Valentijn <liam DeleteThis @valentijn.nu> did eloquently scribble:
>>>>> I don't know Aslan.
>>>> Don't KNOW ASLAN?!
>>>> Tisk...
>>>> The lion, the witch and the wardrobe.
>>>> (and all the other narnia books with the possible exception of
>>>> horse and his
>>>> boy, can't remember if aslan appeared in that one)
>>> Ah...
>>> Never read the book.
>>> Didn't see the movie.
>>> I asume Aslan had some type of magic power?
>> Well, he did create Narnia.
>
> Okay, so he's a world builder.
>
>
All Creation builder would be more accurate.
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Wouter Valentijn wrote:
> whodunit wrote:
>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>>> <spike1 RemoveThis @freenet.co.uk> schreef in bericht
>>> news:aqe3d4-g93.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...
>>>> Wouter Valentijn <liam RemoveThis @valentijn.nu> did eloquently scribble:
>>>>> I don't know Aslan.
>>>> Don't KNOW ASLAN?!
>>>> Tisk...
>>>> The lion, the witch and the wardrobe.
>>>> (and all the other narnia books with the possible exception of
>>>> horse and his
>>>> boy, can't remember if aslan appeared in that one)
>>> Ah...
>>> Never read the book.
>>> Didn't see the movie.
>>> I asume Aslan had some type of magic power?
>>>
>> Overcoming death was pretty magical.
>
> But not very exceptional.
>
>
Some of us think it was VERY exceptional.
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:16:37 GMT, Rich Corinthian Leather
<inexplicable.RemoveThis@mysterious.net> wrote:

>Tim Bruening wrote:
>>
>> Rich Corinthian Leather wrote:
>>
>>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>>>> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> schreef in bericht
>>>> news:4600DE34.EC357101@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>>>>> Goa'uld mother ship (Stargate) vs Borg Cube (Star Trek) vs Xindi planet
>>>>> destroying sphere (Enterprise: Twilight) vs the planet destroyer from
>>>>> Classic Trek vs Death Star (Star Wars) vs Shadow Crab (Babylon 5).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Death Star.
>>> Oh, please, an Enterprise-era shuttle could wipe out a Death Star in
>>> seconds!
>>
>> How?
>>
>It could be loaded with anti-matter, programmed as a bomb, or even
>transported inside the Death Star at its weakest point as a booby trap.

Except of course that antimatter explosions on Star Trek don't seem to
be particularly a big thing. Note that they do NOT use antimatter to
blow up Borg Cubes with one shot as they should be able to.
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In article <rj1c03lsb8gim7l9sv5909s0tjudupbb6f DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
David Johnston <david DeleteThis @block.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:16:37 GMT, Rich Corinthian Leather
> <inexplicable DeleteThis @mysterious.net> wrote:
>
> >Tim Bruening wrote:
> >>
> >> Rich Corinthian Leather wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
> >>>> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> schreef in bericht
> >>>> news:4600DE34.EC357101@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> >>>>> Goa'uld mother ship (Stargate) vs Borg Cube (Star Trek) vs Xindi planet
> >>>>> destroying sphere (Enterprise: Twilight) vs the planet destroyer from
> >>>>> Classic Trek vs Death Star (Star Wars) vs Shadow Crab (Babylon 5).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Death Star.
> >>> Oh, please, an Enterprise-era shuttle could wipe out a Death Star in
> >>> seconds!
> >>
> >> How?
> >>
> >It could be loaded with anti-matter, programmed as a bomb, or even
> >transported inside the Death Star at its weakest point as a booby trap.
>
> Except of course that antimatter explosions on Star Trek don't seem to
> be particularly a big thing. Note that they do NOT use antimatter to
> blow up Borg Cubes with one shot as they should be able to.

I can only think of one instance in all of Trek when they ever actually
used an anti-matter bomb. The TOS episode with the blood sucking gas
cloud.

In several of the Borg episodes, where they were freely beaming back and
forth to Borg cubes I asked "Why don't they just beam over a couple of
kilos of anti-matter?"

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