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(Msg. 16) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:42 pm
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> On Jul 30, 12:19 pm, nebu....RemoveThis@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
>> Granted, the intention is probably not to make an unspeakably
>> awful movie based on Asimov's _Foundation_ series, but I think you
>> and
>> I both know that's going to happen, don't we?
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> I think it may be premature to condemn the "Foundation" movie project
> to unspeakable awfulness.
>
> As the report mentioned, the producers' last movie was "The Last
> Mimzy" - and while it was financially unsuccessful and poorly
> reviewed, it was in no way a typical mindless Hollywood blockbuster-
> wannabe. Shaye and Lynne seem to be committed to making serious and
> thoughtful SF films based on genre classics (although their competence
> at same has yet to be proven).
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> (Disclaimer: I liked the "I, Robot" movie.)
Premature maybe, but not without indication from
earlier experience that it could very well happen.
Asimov and LeGuin have already been damaged, oops,
'distinguished' in this way.
The distinction between literate people in this
country and illiterate people is alive and well,
and we can look for the movie producers go put
their style where (they believe) the money is. I
can see that Asimov's Foundation trilogy, and
indeed just about anything Asimov wrote, could be
difficult to place into the action usually
(thought to be) needed in movie work, because
Asimov did so much with text as speech. And I
cannot see that Hollywood is up to this challenge,
which requires an audience with some capacity for
rational perception and thought.
My own thinking about this is, I'll watch the
fannish discussion and if the thing once done
turns out as I expect, I'll just not go to see
it.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:01 pm
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:53:51 -0700, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> The only way to do justice to the Foundation series would be through a
> multi-episode animated series.
If you like cartoons, maybe.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:04 pm
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:17:24 -0400, Jack Bohn wrote:
> Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
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>> I don't know if it's going to be unspeakably awful but I
>> certainly expect it to be highly inadequate, at best a timid
>> taster of the real thing. The only way to do justice to the
>> Foundation series would be through a multi-episode
>> animated series. I'm saying animated so that one can
>> present on the screen anything they like without worrying
>> about budget.
>
> Well, there's the problem. The Foundation Trilogy doesn't really
> call for anything that would break a special effects budget. I
> believe the only space battle described is just that... described
> at a meeting, and then passed over with, "...and now to important
> matters." Spending time showing the battle, or other big-screen
> visuals just takes away from the more important matters.
Wot about when The Great Conquering Battle-Fleet gets _turned off_ in
_Foundation_?
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:43 pm
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mimus <tinmimus99.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> writes:
>On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:17:24 -0400, Jack Bohn wrote:
>> Well, there's the problem. The Foundation Trilogy doesn't really
>> call for anything that would break a special effects budget. I
>> believe the only space battle described is just that... described
>> at a meeting, and then passed over with, "...and now to important
>> matters." Spending time showing the battle, or other big-screen
>> visuals just takes away from the more important matters.
>Wot about when The Great Conquering Battle-Fleet gets _turned off_ in
>_Foundation_?
Then, you do a quick cutaway to Peter Griffin from Family Guy,
standing next to an electrical socket, by the sign 'DO NOT UNPLUG',
holding the unplugged power cord in his hand, and he says, ``Oops.''
Then runs away.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:45 pm
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> _Foundation_ doesn't strike me as having enough action to make a good
> film. The first half of the trilogy [1] consists mainly of people
> talking to each other until historical inevitablility makes things
> come out in favour of the Foundation.
An interesting way to play it, would be as a futuristic political
thriller in the style of "Seven Days in May" or "All the President's
Men." That is, a taut script focusing on intelligent intrigue and
suspenseful plotting. Those two movies didn't have a lot of action
either, as you know.
Which means that the movie could be a critically acclaimed hit, but will
never be a summer popcorn blockbuster.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:54 pm
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In article <eaf0949nr6bug29lgik92v1tj9kq4mvfqr RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
Jack Bohn <jackbohn RemoveThis @bright.net> wrote:
> Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
>
> >I don't know if it's going to be unspeakably awful but I
> >certainly expect it to be highly inadequate, at best a timid
> >taster of the real thing. The only way to do justice to the
> >Foundation series would be through a multi-episode
> >animated series. I'm saying animated so that one can
> >present on the screen anything they like without worrying
> >about budget.
>
> Well, there's the problem. The Foundation Trilogy doesn't really
> call for anything that would break a special effects budget. I
> believe the only space battle described is just that... described
> at a meeting, and then passed over with, "...and now to important
> matters." Spending time showing the battle, or other big-screen
> visuals just takes away from the more important matters.
>
"But we *want* to break the special-effects budget!"
In Asimov's fiction, a lot of what happens consists of people sitting
around a table talking. This can work fine in written fiction. But in a
movie? The movie makers will think, "Talking heads." And they will
shudder. If[1] they do go ahead and make the movie , they will probably
feel forced to improve it. Irreparably.
[1] This is one hell of a big "if." Many ideas for movies are floated,
and sink. People, sitting around a table and talking, decide to do
something else.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:54 pm
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Christopher Henrich wrote:
> In article <eaf0949nr6bug29lgik92v1tj9kq4mvfqr.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
> Jack Bohn <jackbohn.TakeThisOut@bright.net> wrote:
>
>> Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know if it's going to be unspeakably awful but I
>>> certainly expect it to be highly inadequate, at best a timid
>>> taster of the real thing. The only way to do justice to the
>>> Foundation series would be through a multi-episode
>>> animated series. I'm saying animated so that one can
>>> present on the screen anything they like without worrying
>>> about budget.
>> Well, there's the problem. The Foundation Trilogy doesn't really
>> call for anything that would break a special effects budget. I
>> believe the only space battle described is just that... described
>> at a meeting, and then passed over with, "...and now to important
>> matters." Spending time showing the battle, or other big-screen
>> visuals just takes away from the more important matters.
>>
> "But we *want* to break the special-effects budget!"
>
> In Asimov's fiction, a lot of what happens consists of people sitting
> around a table talking. This can work fine in written fiction. But in a
> movie? The movie makers will think, "Talking heads." And they will
> shudder. If[1] they do go ahead and make the movie , they will probably
> feel forced to improve it. Irreparably.
The nice thing about "Foundation" is that there is plenty of political
intrigue and conspiracies and plotting, and Hollywood does make those
kinds of political thrillers: "Syriana," for example.
The question is, would Hollywood producers make a SF movie (like
"Foundation") as a political thriller?
The best political thriller SF movie I ever saw was "The Day the Earth
Caught Fire." But that wasn't an American movie.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:25 pm
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:19:41 -0700, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> On 30 Jul, 18:01, mimus <tinmimu....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:53:51 -0700, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
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>>> The only way to do justice to the Foundation series would be through a
>>> multi-episode animated series.
>>
>> If you like cartoons, maybe.
>
> If you like movies. Animated or with humans is just a
> technicality.
Why not use finger-puppets then?
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:06 pm
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Joseph Nebus wrote:
> Granted, the intention is probably not to make an unspeakably
> awful movie based on Asimov's _Foundation_ series, but I think you and
> I both know that's going to happen, don't we?
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/filmNews/idUSN2926301220080729
> Asimov sci-fi epic "Foundation" coming to screens
> Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:45am EDT
> By Steven Zeitchik
>
> NEW YORK (Hollywood Reporter) - The ousted founders of
> downsized studio New Line Cinema are producing an adaptation of
> the Isaac Asimov sci-fi epic "Foundation."
>
> The project marks the first undertaking for Bob Shaye
> and Michael Lynne, who set up their own banner called Unique
> Features earlier this month after exiting New Line when the
> ailing studio was absorbed by its bigger corporate sibling
> Warner Bros. Unique aims to make two or three movies annually,
> with Warners handling marketing and distribution.
>
> Science fiction is a genre in which the duo and New Line
> had dabbled, most notably in recent years with "The Last Mimzy,"
> which Shaye directed. That 2007 film grossed just $27 million
> worldwide, according to tracking firm Box Office Mojo.
After seeing _The Last Mimzy_ I don't think I am interested in anything
else these guys do.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:21 pm
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trawsars.DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 30, 12:19 pm, nebu....DeleteThis@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
> > Granted, the intention is probably not to make an
> > unspeakably awful movie based on Asimov's Foundation series, but I
> > think you and I both know that's going to happen, don't we?
>
> I think it may be premature to condemn the "Foundation" movie project
> to unspeakable awfulness.
>
> As the report mentioned, the producers' last movie was "The Last
> Mimzy" - and while it was financially unsuccessful and poorly
> reviewed, it was in no way a typical mindless Hollywood blockbuster-
> wannabe.
From the description at the Internet Movie Data Base (http://imdb.com),
it was.
> Shaye and Lynne seem to be committed to making serious and
> thoughtful SF films based on genre classics (although their competence
> at same has yet to be proven).
>
> (Disclaimer: I liked the "I, Robot" movie.)
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:23 pm
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On 30 jul, 01:57, ncwa... DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
> On 30 Jul, 06:19, nebu... DeleteThis @-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
>
>
>
> > Granted, the intention is probably not to make an unspeakably
> > awful movie based on Asimov's _Foundation_ series, but I think you and
> > I both know that's going to happen, don't we?
>
> > http://www.reuters.com/article/filmNews/idUSN2926301220080729
> > Asimov sci-fi epic "Foundation" coming to screens
> > Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:45am EDT
> > By Steven Zeitchik
>
> > NEW YORK (Hollywood Reporter) - The ousted founders of
> > downsized studio New Line Cinema are producing an adaptation of
> > the Isaac Asimov sci-fi epic "Foundation."
>
> > The project marks the first undertaking for Bob Shaye
> > and Michael Lynne, who set up their own banner called Unique
> > Features earlier this month after exiting New Line when the
> > ailing studio was absorbed by its bigger corporate sibling
> > Warner Bros. Unique aims to make two or three movies annually,
> > with Warners handling marketing and distribution.
>
> > Science fiction is a genre in which the duo and New Line
> > had dabbled, most notably in recent years with "The Last Mimzy,"
> > wh worldwide, according to tracking firm Box Office Mojo.
> ich Shaye directed. That 2007 film grossed just $27 million
Exactly what I think, I'd love to see a movie based on The Mule, and
that he be played by Simon Woods,
his charater as Caesar Octavian Augustus in HBO's Rome Second season
was so Mule-ish, of course, The Mule is partly based on Augustus.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/120/279215188_482b8138a1.jpg?v=0
http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~webstej1/images/rome_ep16_3.jpg
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Woods)
> >
> _Foundation_ doesn't strike me as having enough action to make a good
> film. The first half of the trilogy [1] consists mainly of people
> talking to each other until historical inevitablility makes things
> come out in favour of the Foundation. Probably the best option for
> filming would be to create a screenplay based mainly on "The Mule" and
> "Now You See It -" with the previous stories compressed into an
> introduction of how the Foundation came to exist.
>
> Cheers,
> Nigel.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:20 am
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On 30 Jul, 20:45, "Steven L." <sdlit....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
> ncwa....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:
> > _Foundation_ doesn't strike me as having enough action to make a good
> > film. The first half of the trilogy [1] consists mainly of people
> > talking to each other until historical inevitablility makes things
> > come out in favour of the Foundation.
>
> An interesting way to play it, would be as a futuristic political
> thriller in the style of "Seven Days in May" or "All the President's
> Men." That is, a taut script focusing on intelligent intrigue and
> suspenseful plotting. Those two movies didn't have a lot of action
> either, as you know.
>
No but they did have people uncovering facts or taking decisions that
mattered. In _Foundation_ that is all irrelevant as events unfold due
to Psychohistorical Inevitibility, not individual actions.
Actually, _Foundation_ might be a politically difficult film to make.
In the beginning, you have a small state that dominates its militarily
stronger neighbours by religous means. Later on, you have a despotic
state that is overthrown by a military force. A former officer of
that despotic state then tries to assasinate the leader of the
military force in a suicide bomb attack (using an atomic bomb, thus
proving that they did have weapons of mass destruction).
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On 31 Jul, 13:09, "pullo" <pullo... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Jack Bohn" <jackb... RemoveThis @bright.net> wrote in message
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> > Steven L. wrote:
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> >>The nice thing about "Foundation" is that there is plenty of political
> >>intrigue and conspiracies and plotting, and Hollywood does make those
> >>kinds of political thrillers: "Syriana," for example.
>
> >>The question is, would Hollywood producers make a SF movie (like
> >>"Foundation") as a political thriller?
>
> >>The best political thriller SF movie I ever saw was "The Day the Earth
> >>Caught Fire." But that wasn't an American movie.
>
> > Dr. Strangelove?
>
> Although a great movie, 'political thriller' might be a stretch.
It can certainly be considered a political thriller to the
extent that a comedy can be considered a thriller at all.
On the other hand some mentions of a doomsday weapon
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On 31 Jul, 13:09, "pullo" <pullo... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Jack Bohn" <jackb... DeleteThis @bright.net> wrote in message
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> news:jv4394lcp2ghd7u9tbnsdfdl8eriknt277@4ax.com...
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> > Steven L. wrote:
>
> >>The nice thing about "Foundation" is that there is plenty of political
> >>intrigue and conspiracies and plotting, and Hollywood does make those
> >>kinds of political thrillers: "Syriana," for example.
>
> >>The question is, would Hollywood producers make a SF movie (like
> >>"Foundation") as a political thriller?
>
> >>The best political thriller SF movie I ever saw was "The Day the Earth
> >>Caught Fire." But that wasn't an American movie.
>
> > Dr. Strangelove?
>
> Although a great movie, 'political thriller' might be a stretch.
It can certainly be considered a political thriller to the
extent that a comedy can be considered a thriller at all.
On the other hand some mentions of a doomsday weapon
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On 30 Jul, 21:25, mimus <tinmimu....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:19:41 -0700, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> > On 30 Jul, 18:01, mimus <tinmimu....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:53:51 -0700, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
>
> >>> The only way to do justice to the Foundation series would be through a
> >>> multi-episode animated series.
>
> >> If you like cartoons, maybe.
>
> > If you like movies. Animated or with humans is just a
> > technicality.
>
> Why not use finger-puppets then?
It might damage realism. But I must confess that I've
never seen a movie where the heroes are finger puppets.
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