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alx_2000

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 3:14 pm
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Just doing a little exercise for my own diversion and would like to
get some advice. Suppose I were to adapt Asimov's _The Martian Way_
into a screenplay. I'd like to keep the story and premise as intact as
possible, but there are a few things I would like to update based on
current or near-future science & technology.

Pseudo-grav: Mentioned briefly in reference to manipulating large
objects in space and also as a device used onboard spacecraft to
simulate gravity. I'm thinking a centrifuge type solution similar to
2001's "Discovery" spacecraft would be more plausible. It could also
be left out altogether considering how long-term exposure to
zero-gravity (Mir, Spacelab, ISS) could be possible within the limits
of the story without serious adverse health affects.

Scavenging shells: From what I've read about steam rocket propulsion,
it's unlikely there would be large cone-shaped metal shells to
scavenge. Probably more like huge collapsible balloons which wouldn't
seem lucrative enough for scavenging. How about scavenging spent
booster rockets instead? I imagine propellant-based rockets would
still be widely used. Other ideas on what scavengers would scavenge if
not the metal shells?

Rings of Saturn: Modern observations of the Saturnian rings indicate
they are made mostly of small fragments of ice, not huge mile-long
chunks as in the story. If so, how would one go about collecting
enough ice from the rings to make the trip worthwhile? (And how about
the outcry from future conservationists on the human assault on the
rings! But that would be another story. Wink )

Other?: What other aspects of the story would you modify to keep up
with modern scientific discoveries?

Thanks for your time.

Alex T.
ALX2000

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:43 pm
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In article <5a7db3ff.0311201214.38b7cb8f RemoveThis @posting.google.com>,
ALX2000 <alx_2000 RemoveThis @email.com> wrote:
 > Scavenging shells: From what I've read about steam rocket propulsion,
 > it's unlikely there would be large cone-shaped metal shells to
 > scavenge. Probably more like huge collapsible balloons which wouldn't
 > seem lucrative enough for scavenging. How about scavenging spent
 > booster rockets instead? I imagine propellant-based rockets would
 > still be widely used. Other ideas on what scavengers would scavenge if
 > not the metal shells?

What about waste water from ablutions? May not be very photogenic!

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:26 am
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alx_2000.DeleteThis@email.com (ALX2000) wrote in
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 > Just doing a little exercise for my own diversion and would like to
 > get some advice. Suppose I were to adapt Asimov's _The Martian Way_
 > into a screenplay. I'd like to keep the story and premise as intact as
 > possible, but there are a few things I would like to update based on
 > current or near-future science & technology.

I suggest also asking on rec.arts.sf.science.


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 3:03 am
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"ALX2000" <alx_2000 RemoveThis @email.com> wrote in message
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 > Pseudo-grav: Mentioned briefly in reference to manipulating large
 > objects in space and also as a device used onboard spacecraft to
 > simulate gravity.

Lose it. If you have pseudo-grav, you have a non-Newtonian
drive, and the whole point of the story is ruined.

 > I'm thinking a centrifuge type solution similar to
 > 2001's "Discovery" spacecraft would be more plausible.

Since it's possible now, it has to be more plausible. You
could also just spin the whole ship.

 > Scavenging shells: From what I've read about steam rocket propulsion,
 > it's unlikely there would be large cone-shaped metal shells to
 > scavenge.

True, and even if there were, the delta-v needed to catch and
return them would be prohibitive. If the shells are worth
scavenging, they wouldn't be dumped in the first place.

 > Rings of Saturn: Modern observations of the Saturnian rings indicate
 > they are made mostly of small fragments of ice, not huge mile-long
 > chunks as in the story.

Mostly. Some mile-sized ice cubes are not implausible.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:30 pm
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"ALX2000" <alx_2000.TakeThisOut@email.com> wrote in message
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 > Just doing a little exercise for my own diversion and would like to
 > get some advice. Suppose I were to adapt Asimov's _The Martian Way_
 > into a screenplay. I'd like to keep the story and premise as intact as
 > possible, but there are a few things I would like to update based on
 > current or near-future science & technology.

Too bad the ignorant sort-of-bad-guy is even more plausible now.

 > Pseudo-grav: Mentioned briefly in reference to manipulating large
 > objects in space and also as a device used onboard spacecraft to
 > simulate gravity. I'm thinking a centrifuge type solution similar to
 > 2001's "Discovery" spacecraft would be more plausible. It could also
 > be left out altogether considering how long-term exposure to
 > zero-gravity (Mir, Spacelab, ISS) could be possible within the limits
 > of the story without serious adverse health affects.

You can't have an action/adventure film without some gross-out items. Life
in zero-g could provide plenty of those.

 > Scavenging shells: From what I've read about steam rocket propulsion,
 > it's unlikely there would be large cone-shaped metal shells to
 > scavenge. Probably more like huge collapsible balloons which wouldn't
 > seem lucrative enough for scavenging. How about scavenging spent
 > booster rockets instead? I imagine propellant-based rockets would
 > still be widely used. Other ideas on what scavengers would scavenge if
 > not the metal shells?

I was going to suggest old satellites and capsules, but they'd be too small
to yield much reuseable material, and they would have probably burned up
already. Maybe you could play up the dangers of mining operations and dust
storms on Mars.

 > Rings of Saturn: Modern observations of the Saturnian rings indicate
 > they are made mostly of small fragments of ice, not huge mile-long
 > chunks as in the story. If so, how would one go about collecting
 > enough ice from the rings to make the trip worthwhile? (And how about
 > the outcry from future conservationists on the human assault on the
 > rings! But that would be another story. Wink )

You could have humans mine the rings in spite of a known problem, which
would them come back to bite them in the sequel.

 > Other?: What other aspects of the story would you modify to keep up
 > with modern scientific discoveries?

There are no female characters besides the one guy's wife. At least some of
the astronauts would have to be women. And of course the crew would have to
be "diverse", something that IA probably took for granted.

 > Thanks for your time.
 >
 > Alex T.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:01 am
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alx_2000 DeleteThis @email.com (ALX2000) writes:

 >Just doing a little exercise for my own diversion and would like to
 >get some advice. Suppose I were to adapt Asimov's _The Martian Way_
 >into a screenplay. I'd like to keep the story and premise as intact as
 >possible, but there are a few things I would like to update based on
 >current or near-future science & technology.

  Why on Earth, or Mars, does any of it need updating? The only
point that really has to be fiddled with is the size of ice objects in
the rings of Saturn, and some unwarranted assumptions Asimov made about
their orbital stability, both of which can be fixed with short lines of
dialogue. (``I thought the average iceball in Saturn's ring was a meter
or so wide.'' ``The average, yes; but there's some that are two, and
some that are ten, and there's one in 100 million that are ten kilometers
across.'' ``What good is one in a hundred million?'' ``When there are
ten trillion particles in the rings of Saturn?'' Not so dialectic, of
course, but some dialogue along those lines fixes the one big problem.)

  The value of the spent rocket casings, which are what the Martians
go off exploring the cosmos for, seem dubious; *but* they are sources of
raw metal, and if your rockets are paid for and the propellant is cheap it
isn't a ridiculous source. It assumes a high launch rate and cheap flight
which were ordinary assumptions for the 1950s, and still worthwhile goals
today.

  The only other minor ``fixup'' I'd suggest is making half the crew
female. As Asimov noted, it doesn't matter what sex any of the characters
have, so why not have them roughly human-distributed? This is not an
invitation to romances. The greatness of ``The Martian Way'' is as Damon
Knight wrote (and read his review for further insights); it's a plain and
neat story about courageous humans. Anything else would detract from it.

    Joseph Nebus
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:28 pm
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On 20 Nov 2003 12:14:49 -0800, alx_2000.RemoveThis@email.com (ALX2000) wrote:

 >Just doing a little exercise for my own diversion and would like to
 >get some advice. Suppose I were to adapt Asimov's _The Martian Way_
 >into a screenplay. I'd like to keep the story and premise as intact as
 >possible, but there are a few things I would like to update based on
 >current or near-future science & technology.
 >
Coincidentally, I was just thinking a couple of days ago which Asimov
stories were better suited to adapt into screenplays. The first one I
thought of was _The Martian Way_. All in all, it can be well adapted
to a feature-length screenplay, I'd say...

I won't add anything besides what other people have already said, only
that I'd certainly like to see it becoming a movie...

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:25 pm
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