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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:25 pm
Post subject: Upright Man?
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Ok, after reading Prince of the Blood, it appeared the Upright Man was
replaced by the Virtuous man, then somewhere along the line the Sagacious
Man. Now after reading Rise of a Merchant Prince, it appears those are more
like offices in the Mockers Hierarchy. Am I reading this right? Is the new
leader always the Up Right Man? If so, why did Borric have the thieves
after him for mentioning this fact?
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Joker
"...God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me."
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:05 pm
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In article <ljZTf.62064$dW3.5568@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Joker
<post_master.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Ok, after reading Prince of the Blood, it appeared the Upright Man was
> replaced by the Virtuous man, then somewhere along the line the Sagacious
> Man. Now after reading Rise of a Merchant Prince, it appears those are more
> like offices in the Mockers Hierarchy. Am I reading this right? Is the new
> leader always the Up Right Man? If so, why did Borric have the thieves
> after him for mentioning this fact?
The term "Upright Man" is really Victorian slang for a particular type
of criminal, a sort of con-man. I used it as a means to convey the
irony of the head of a criminal underground being in fact labled a man
of means.
There is no "Mocker Hierarchy," as Dash discovers in Shards of a Broken
Crown. The authority comes only from those who see it in their own
self-interest to be governed.
Dash invokes the old power of the title Upright Man because those who
came after were failures.
Borric ran afoul of the thieves in Durbin because they had heard
(assume from a visiting sailor) that there had been an upheaval in the
Krondorian underworld. Hence, any "street creds" Borric claimed to
have were gone, and he was seen as being a "poser."
Sort of like trying to get into a rave by claiming your close friends
with Tupac.
Best, R.E.F. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Upright Man? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Upright Man" screams for a TV series. Take "Deadwood" and "Sopranoes" as
an extreme example and set it in Krondor... Sure winner for the fantasy
geeks. Plenty of room for raw to lure the non-fantasy in.
"Raymond E. Feist" <raymond.DeleteThis@nospam.bittersea.com> wrote in message
news:210320061305474511%raymond@nospam.bittersea.com...
> In article <ljZTf.62064$dW3.5568@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Joker
> <post_master.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>> Ok, after reading Prince of the Blood, it appeared the Upright Man was
>> replaced by the Virtuous man, then somewhere along the line the Sagacious
>> Man. Now after reading Rise of a Merchant Prince, it appears those are
>> more
>> like offices in the Mockers Hierarchy. Am I reading this right? Is the
>> new
>> leader always the Up Right Man? If so, why did Borric have the thieves
>> after him for mentioning this fact?
>
> The term "Upright Man" is really Victorian slang for a particular type
> of criminal, a sort of con-man. I used it as a means to convey the
> irony of the head of a criminal underground being in fact labled a man
> of means.
>
> There is no "Mocker Hierarchy," as Dash discovers in Shards of a Broken
> Crown. The authority comes only from those who see it in their own
> self-interest to be governed.
>
> Dash invokes the old power of the title Upright Man because those who
> came after were failures.
>
> Borric ran afoul of the thieves in Durbin because they had heard
> (assume from a visiting sailor) that there had been an upheaval in the
> Krondorian underworld. Hence, any "street creds" Borric claimed to
> have were gone, and he was seen as being a "poser."
>
> Sort of like trying to get into a rave by claiming your close friends
> with Tupac.
>
> Best, R.E.F. >> Stay informed about: Upright Man? |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 12:03 am
Post subject: Re: Upright Man? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Tupac at a Rave? Don't be silly!
"Raymond E. Feist" <raymond.RemoveThis@nospam.bittersea.com> wrote in message
news:210320061305474511%raymond@nospam.bittersea.com...
> In article <ljZTf.62064$dW3.5568@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Joker
> <post_master.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Ok, after reading Prince of the Blood, it appeared the Upright Man was
>> replaced by the Virtuous man, then somewhere along the line the Sagacious
>> Man. Now after reading Rise of a Merchant Prince, it appears those are
>> more
>> like offices in the Mockers Hierarchy. Am I reading this right? Is the
>> new
>> leader always the Up Right Man? If so, why did Borric have the thieves
>> after him for mentioning this fact?
>
> The term "Upright Man" is really Victorian slang for a particular type
> of criminal, a sort of con-man. I used it as a means to convey the
> irony of the head of a criminal underground being in fact labled a man
> of means.
>
> There is no "Mocker Hierarchy," as Dash discovers in Shards of a Broken
> Crown. The authority comes only from those who see it in their own
> self-interest to be governed.
>
> Dash invokes the old power of the title Upright Man because those who
> came after were failures.
>
> Borric ran afoul of the thieves in Durbin because they had heard
> (assume from a visiting sailor) that there had been an upheaval in the
> Krondorian underworld. Hence, any "street creds" Borric claimed to
> have were gone, and he was seen as being a "poser."
>
> Sort of like trying to get into a rave by claiming your close friends
> with Tupac.
>
> Best, R.E.F. >> Stay informed about: Upright Man? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Upright Man? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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>>"Raymond E. Feist" <raymond RemoveThis @nospam.bittersea.com> wrote in message
>news:210320061305474511%raymond@nospam.bittersea.com...
>> In article <ljZTf.62064$dW3.5568@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Joker
>> <post_master RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> Ok, after reading Prince of the Blood, it appeared the Upright Man was
>>> replaced by the Virtuous man, then somewhere along the line the
>>> Sagacious
>>> Man. Now after reading Rise of a Merchant Prince, it appears those are
>>> more
>>> like offices in the Mockers Hierarchy. Am I reading this right? Is the
>>> new
>>> leader always the Up Right Man? If so, why did Borric have the thieves
>>> after him for mentioning this fact?
>> The term "Upright Man" is really Victorian slang for a particular type
>> of criminal, a sort of con-man. I used it as a means to convey the
>> irony of the head of a criminal underground being in fact labled a man
>> of means.
>> There is no "Mocker Hierarchy," as Dash discovers in Shards of a Broken
>> Crown. The authority comes only from those who see it in their own
>> self-interest to be governed.
>> Dash invokes the old power of the title Upright Man because those who
>> came after were failures.
>> Borric ran afoul of the thieves in Durbin because they had heard
>> (assume from a visiting sailor) that there had been an upheaval in the
>> Krondorian underworld. Hence, any "street creds" Borric claimed to
>> have were gone, and he was seen as being a "poser."
>> Sort of like trying to get into a rave by claiming your close friends
>> with Tupac.
>> Best, R.E.F.
Ok, now that I am reading Shards, this makes sense. I can see how the
different names were used. However, when you wrote Prince, did you already
have this idea of different Mockers taking control and using different names
only to go back to the Upright Man, or did you originally intend to have
each successor have a different title, then change your mind?
--
Joker
"...God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me."
Gen. 21:6 >> Stay informed about: Upright Man? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:22 pm
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In article <iGBmg.48922$fb2.39403@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>, Joker
<post_master(nospam)@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>"Raymond E. Feist" <raymond DeleteThis @nospam.bittersea.com> wrote in message
> >news:210320061305474511%raymond@nospam.bittersea.com...
> >> In article <ljZTf.62064$dW3.5568@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Joker
> >> <post_master DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >>> Ok, after reading Prince of the Blood, it appeared the Upright Man was
> >>> replaced by the Virtuous man, then somewhere along the line the
> >>> Sagacious
> >>> Man. Now after reading Rise of a Merchant Prince, it appears those are
> >>> more
> >>> like offices in the Mockers Hierarchy. Am I reading this right? Is the
> >>> new
> >>> leader always the Up Right Man? If so, why did Borric have the thieves
> >>> after him for mentioning this fact?
>
> >> The term "Upright Man" is really Victorian slang for a particular type
> >> of criminal, a sort of con-man. I used it as a means to convey the
> >> irony of the head of a criminal underground being in fact labled a man
> >> of means.
>
> >> There is no "Mocker Hierarchy," as Dash discovers in Shards of a Broken
> >> Crown. The authority comes only from those who see it in their own
> >> self-interest to be governed.
>
> >> Dash invokes the old power of the title Upright Man because those who
> >> came after were failures.
>
> >> Borric ran afoul of the thieves in Durbin because they had heard
> >> (assume from a visiting sailor) that there had been an upheaval in the
> >> Krondorian underworld. Hence, any "street creds" Borric claimed to
> >> have were gone, and he was seen as being a "poser."
>
> >> Sort of like trying to get into a rave by claiming your close friends
> >> with Tupac.
>
> >> Best, R.E.F.
>
> Ok, now that I am reading Shards, this makes sense. I can see how the
> different names were used. However, when you wrote Prince, did you already
> have this idea of different Mockers taking control and using different names
> only to go back to the Upright Man, or did you originally intend to have
> each successor have a different title, then change your mind?
It was a backstory I never developed. A coup d'etat in the Mockers.
The term Upright Man is actually Victorian, from a era when
street-slang was incredibly rich. It means, basically, a confidence
man, a man who gets over by pretending to be upstanding.
Best, R.E.F.
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