The Vampire Armand

Lestat,Louis, & Armand went into the sun. Marius was burnt by fire. The
only thing I can guess is that fire is alot more destructive to vampires
than the sun.
I think the reason Marius made Benjy & Sybelle a vampire was because
Armand could'nt do it. And in away to try to make up for not being there
for Armand. Also, since Marius was the one that did it Benjy & Sybelle
would be closer to Armand because there minds would not be closed to one
another.
Bye Bye
Jesse
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ashe.winterw... DeleteThis @verizon.net wrote:
> Shadow:
> It is an inconsistancy as you've noted and not the only one, the
newer
> books are full of them. As far as why Marius would turn
Benji...people
> have been asking themselves that for years.
> Take care,
> Ashe

i know, just trying to get a new conversation going.
i dont mind the inconsistancies so much, just the obvious ones, without
explanation. since in the case of the skin, both are mentioned in the
same book that marius took centuries to heal, lastat is still bronze
from his going into the sun. And it's always stated that when marius
was made, all the elders were burnt or brown or bronze for centuries
from the divine parents sojourn into the sun. So with those being the
case Louis and Armand should still be blacker then i am.

anyway, i like the story, evn though armand pisses me off now and then.
Benjy rocks, and I love Sybele.

Ciao
Shadow
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> don't think making either one of them was the wisest decision Marius
>ever made because both are unstable human beings and unstable human
>beings make for very unstable vampires. Remember Nicholas? Benji
>might survive the centuries, but I think Sybele is a likely candidate
for the
>pyre in under a century.
hahahaha true. Benji yeah, Sybele will IF she sticks with Benji, if she
goes on her own, yeah crash and burn at some point.
Gabrielle's pretty freaky, she continues... Mael, Santino (he didnt
kill himself), they're not to tightly wound and continue, but yeah, in
your cornet, Armand and Louis both attempted suicide.


>I also tend to think that what drove Marius make them was, partly,
>guilt for what happened to Armand, but also because they had already
>seen too much of the vampire's world to be able to go back to having
>even a, remotely, normal human life. Maybe in Marius's mind a century
>or so of life as vampires would be better than what lay in store for
>them as human beings trying to live in a vampire's world.
Yeah, in 21st century america. he's probably right.... i couldnt
imagine growing up (40+ years) in imperial Rome, and living now in the
21st century... the world is sooo much bigger and more savage.
Marius the Poet.

thanks
Shadow

ps: one thing i have noticed about these vampires, is that they fall in
love/enamoured of someone VERY quickly.
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Shadow,
I see your point. It did take Maruis along time to heal. I have noticed
there are things in these books that run together and don't make since
sometimes.LOL
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Jesse
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Sorry, I meant Armand WOULDN'T make them a vampire.LOL Yes, Claudia was
very pissed off being a woman trapped in a childs body.
Armand himself is childish at times. Armand and Benjy would make a good
pair. Until these years go by and Benjy gets just as pissed as Claudia
did.
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Jesse
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hahahaha true. Benji yeah, Sybele will IF she sticks with Benji, if she

goes on her own, yeah crash and burn at some point.
Gabrielle's pretty freaky, she continues...

Shadow,
I disagree, Gabrielle could probably be described as an introvert, a
loner, or even a misanthrope, but she's not freaky or unstable she
actually a pretty strong person. She knows exactly who she is, what she
wants, and most importantly, how to survive. Her method of survival
didn't mesh well with Lestat, but it seems to be working well for her.

Mael, Santino (he didnt kill himself), they're not to tightly wound
and continue, but yeah, in your cornet, Armand and Louis both attempted
suicide.

I'm not sure if Santino kill himself or not...can't remember, but Mael
offering himself made no sense to me. Why in the world would he commit
suicide over a Christian relic when: 1. He's a Pagan (Druid), and 2. He
has no history of ever converting to Christianity or believing its
theology? Also, given his age, he was around during the time of Christ
so he would have probably heard about all of this when it was, more or
less, a current event.
An interesting aside, there's no such person as Veronica or a thing
called Veronica's Veil in the Bible.

Yeah, in 21st century america. he's probably right.... i couldnt
imagine growing up (40+ years) in imperial Rome, and living now in the
21st century... the world is sooo much bigger and more savage.
Marius the Poet.

>From Marius's perspective, I'd think the world has gotten more humane.
The methods of killing are worse, but overall human life has more value
now than it did in ancient Rome.
Take care,
Ashe
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Okay, now for my two cents...

You bring up some very good questions that I never really thought about
before. It's been a while since I've read TVC, so please forgive me if my
recollection of details is scetchy. I think Marius's burns took so long to
heal because of how severe they were and how drained of energy he was. He
had put up quite a fight using the "fire gift". Those "gifts" are described
as being very energy consuming. Akasha's blood did finally help in healing
him.

Louis not only drank Lestat's blood, but bathed in it as well- soaked it in.
This was after Lestat's experience with Memnoch when he drank the blood of
Christ. Lestat's blood at this point contained remnants of Akasha's blood
as well, so his was much more powerful than the other vampires.

There's not much I can say about Armand, as his whole experience was odd.
Here is where my recollection of details is really failing me - I don't
remember all of Armand's experience other than killing Sybele's brother.

Which brings me to Sybele and Benjy. Marius and Lestat are alike in so many
ways. Both were of noble blood - Marius was a Roman senator, Lestat was the
son of a French lord - and still carry a certain selfishness with them threw
all the centuries. Lestat sired Claudia to keep Louis with him. Marius
sired Sybele and Benjy to keep Armand close to him. It's like the couple
who decides to have kids as a solution to a failing marriage - usually just
makes things worse.

-JD


"Shadow Eagle" <blackeagle RemoveThis @algonkuin.org> wrote in message
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>I just re-read (listened) to the vampire armand for the umpteenth time,
> and something i just noticed that bothers me. When Marius was burnt it
> took him centuries to become white again, and Lestat went into the sun
> and he's still bronze. BUT Armand and Louis both went into the sun,
> burnt to a crisp, and after a days worth of blood (and not that good
> old Akasha blood), they'e white again.... huh????
>
> AND why did Marius create another child vampire outta Benjy, didnt
> these guys learn with Claudia, after awhile, people get upset when they
> realize they're NEVER gonna reach puberty.
>
> two major inconsistencies that bothered me.
>
> now onto Pandora again.
> ciao
>
> Shadow
>
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ok, here's an odd question. Louis says that Claudia's mind was closed to
him. (Since Louis drained her to the point of death.)Lestat gave her the
blood to become a vampire. Why would Claudia be closed off from Lestat as
well?
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Jesse
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Perhaps it wasn't that Claudia's mind was closed to Louis, but that he
couldn't control the power to read her mind. It took Louis a great deal of
time before he started to embrace the powers of the vampire, and even then
he didn't really take to it all that much.

-JD


"JesseRunknown" <mal.andsam.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> ok, here's an odd question. Louis says that Claudia's mind was closed to
> him. (Since Louis drained her to the point of death.)Lestat gave her the
> blood to become a vampire. Why would Claudia be closed off from Lestat as
> well?
> Bye Bye
> Jesse
>
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Maybe so, But I found it strange that Claudia seemed not to be able to do
it either.
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Jesse
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Which brings me to Sybele and Benjy. Marius and Lestat are alike in so
many
ways. Both were of noble blood - Marius was a Roman senator, Lestat
was the
son of a French lord - and still carry a certain selfishness with them
threw
all the centuries. Lestat sired Claudia to keep Louis with him.
Marius
sired Sybele and Benjy to keep Armand close to him. It's like the
couple
who decides to have kids as a solution to a failing marriage - usually
just
makes things worse.

JD,
Interesting insight...I like it. However, Marius was the son of a Roman
Senator and pretty much dismissed all his social responsiblities by
becoming a wandering historian or poet...whichever. I think he would
carry some aspects of his upbringing with him so what you've said would
still make sense. The downside to that argument is that Marius doesn't
keep Armand with him. My memories of that story are sketchy too, but I
seem to recall that Marius leaves alone...or was it with Pandora? It's
more like he made them so that Armand would have companions that truly
loved him since Armand has been love-starved for most of his life, and
despite their instability Benji and Sybele do love Armand.
Take care,
Ashe
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ok, here's an odd question. Louis says that Claudia's mind was closed
to
him. (Since Louis drained her to the point of death.)Lestat gave her
the
blood to become a vampire. Why would Claudia be closed off from Lestat
as
well?
Bye Bye
Jesse

Jesse,
You bring up a good point and, actually, the reverse makes alot more
sense. A vampire drains a human being to death when s/he feeds,
unless its the Little Drink, so either case shows that it isn't the
draining that makes the person a vampire, it's the receiving of the
blood. Louis only drained her blood, but it was Lestat that actually
made her a vampire. So it makes more sense for her to be closed off to
Lestat than it does Louis.
It is possible that she has closed herself off because they are so
close, sort of like a subconscious protective device. Lestat also had a
theory that it isn't that maker and fledgling can't hear each other,
but because they are so close there is alot of "noise" or "static" in
the connect and if both could break through the "noise" they would be
able to hear each other. Maybe that is a correct theory and the fact
that Louis and Claudia are so close is what closes them off from each
other.
I think this inconsistancy exists simply because IWTV was the first
book of the series and Rice didn't have the process of making a vampire
completely worked out yet, and I can't recall but I don't think there
is another instance in the series where two vampires bring one person
over.
Take care,
Ashe
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Very interesting Ashe.
Bye Bye
Jesse
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