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Brian McDonald wrote:
>>
> man that was a joke

<G> I started laughing at it, then the second thoughts hit.

Third thoughts: Didn't he marry the ditz that came up with "Clippy"?

Any woman who does that is not going to found a multiple generation empire.

Thankfully.
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Brian McDonald wrote:
>
> didn't some genius level engineer run the multiply redundant fly by
> wire runs through the same little conduit and lost not just a plane
> but the pilot over it.

I sort of remember something like that popping up with military planes
before "fly by wire", and also with a passenger plane.

A couple military buildings have burned down because the fire alarm
wires went through the frame room, where the fire started.
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:30:08 -0700, Loren Pechtel
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>On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:31:57 GMT, Mikko Nahkola
><mnahkola DeleteThis @trein.ntc.nokia.com> wrote:
>
>>> That doesn't change the fact that if the basic system design were
>>> worth two cents that he couldn't have done it and it would have been
>>> far harder on Haven tech than the Manticore tech he was experienced
>>> with.
>>
>>You might be surprised about reality. I've seen military systems that
>>rely far too much on nothing but physical security - and obscurity. But
>>I also know where to hook up a (not saying) cable on the outer shell of
>>a (not saying) to gain access to things I shouldn't have. And things
>>that I shouldn't know about _existing_ either, possibly.
>
>I agree at present. This is in the *FAR* future, though. I would
>think they would have learned their lesson by then.

there is a saying that as more perfectly fool proof systems are
developed it will stimulate the evolution of bigger and better fools
to fill the new evolutionary niches opening up which would seem to
cover that hope nicely



>>
>>If it was "totally against regulations", _why_ was there a gambling
>>system to begin with, ANYWHERE on any of the ship's computers?
>
>But there would be a computer with entertainment software.

the way things are going it's looking like the era of the standalone
computer system is going to pass a very long time before honour's era.



>>Not a technical issue at this point. A system is only as secure as its
>>users.
>
>I'm just saying that the guys in question aren't users of the
>important systems.

i'm curious why you would make such an assumption. gambling for
instance is a pretty insidious bug for some people otherwise perfectly
upstanding souls.
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Brian McDonald wrote:
>
> i'm curious why you would make such an assumption. gambling for
> instance is a pretty insidious bug for some people otherwise perfectly
> upstanding souls.
>
>
Yes, some people will always find /something/ to gamble on.

As I recall, the game was a fighting sim, not intended for gambling.
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:30:08 -0700, Loren Pechtel
<lorenpechtel.RemoveThis@hotmail.invalid.com> wrote:

>>didn't some genius level engineer run the multiply redundant fly by
>>wire runs through the same little conduit and lost not just a plane
>>but the pilot over it.
>
>I don't recall hearing of such a case but it wouldn't surprise me.

early model f16. pilot piled into a hill and the widow had a hell of
a time getting the air force not to blame it on pilot error but they
did eventually own up to it and run the wiring through diff parts of
the fuselage.

i was watching a show on discovery extolling the virtues of the new
light attack helo the italians built. open the hatches behind the
cockpit and there are all your electronics which are 100% redundant as
they show you by opening up the hatch on the other side of the bird.
it looked very much like they had simply mirror imaged things and
stuck them in the other side which meant that if a bit of shrapnel
trashed module A it was very possibly going to go through and damage
module A2 which was back to back with module A.
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:31:11 GMT, Brian McDonald
<Brian_knowspam.McDonald.RemoveThis@shaw.ca> wrote:

>
>there is a saying that as more perfectly fool proof systems are
>developed it will stimulate the evolution of bigger and better fools
>to fill the new evolutionary niches opening up which would seem to
>cover that hope nicely

Matter of fact, i just said it a couple days ago...

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:43:28 GMT, Brian McDonald
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>i was watching a show on discovery extolling the virtues of the new
>light attack helo the italians built. open the hatches behind the
>cockpit and there are all your electronics which are 100% redundant as
>they show you by opening up the hatch on the other side of the bird.
>it looked very much like they had simply mirror imaged things and
>stuck them in the other side which meant that if a bit of shrapnel
>trashed module A it was very possibly going to go through and damage
>module A2 which was back to back with module A.

Story - possibly true - that the RAF commissioned an engineering study
to try to figure out how to improve bomber survivability.

For a month or so, people with charts showing top, side and bottom
views of the bomber class in particular swarmed all over every plane
that mad it back, carefully marking the site of every bullet or
shrapnel hole on the charts with a dot.

Then the Bomber Command brass assembled to hear the recommendations.

"Notice that the damage seems to be most heavily concentrated in these
areas. We therefore recommend extra armouring in these areas."

Moment of silence, then one officer thoughtfully spoke: "In light of
the fact that these charts are made from the aircraft that survived,
perhaps we should consider armouring the areas which are *less*
heavily dotted..."

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mike weber wrote:
> Moment of silence, then one officer thoughtfully spoke: "In light of
> the fact that these charts are made from the aircraft that survived,
> perhaps we should consider armouring the areas which are *less*
> heavily dotted..."
>
LOL. Love it.
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:48:04 -0700, Offbreed
<offbreed_106.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

>mike weber wrote:
>> Moment of silence, then one officer thoughtfully spoke: "In light of
>> the fact that these charts are made from the aircraft that survived,
>> perhaps we should consider armouring the areas which are *less*
>> heavily dotted..."
>>
>LOL. Love it.

It's the sort of thing that can be *so* hard to see. Until someone
points it out.

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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:34:20 +0000, "David Wright Sr."
<dwrightsr.RemoveThis@alltel.net> wrote:

>Loren Pechtel <lorenpechtel.RemoveThis@hotmail.invalid.com> wrote in news:46f56dbe$0
>$7348$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com:
>
>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:13:51 -0400, mike weber <fairportfan.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>
>(snip)
>
>>>I suspect that it had something to do with assumptions about East and
>>>West and the direction of increasing latitude...
>>
>> There's also the issue of the Patriot that didn't engage in Desert
>> Storm because of a time problem.
>>
>Don't forget that the world ended on Dec. 31, 1999 due to the Y2K problem.
>Everything since then has been an illusion.

This was worse. By some utter stupidity the system had two clocks
that didn't keep time with each other due to one containing a
systematic rounding error. It never showed up in testing because it
wouldn't cause a problem unless the battery had been live for IIRC
something over 100 hours. The computer was attempting to fire the
missile through time between the two clocks and when the error became
great enough it would be unable to compute an intercept. Since the
computer didn't believe the missile could reach the target it didn't
fire.
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:25:06 -0400, mike weber <fairportfan DeleteThis @gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:43:28 GMT, Brian McDonald
><Brian_knowspam.McDonald DeleteThis @shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>i was watching a show on discovery extolling the virtues of the new
>>light attack helo the italians built. open the hatches behind the
>>cockpit and there are all your electronics which are 100% redundant as
>>they show you by opening up the hatch on the other side of the bird.
>>it looked very much like they had simply mirror imaged things and
>>stuck them in the other side which meant that if a bit of shrapnel
>>trashed module A it was very possibly going to go through and damage
>>module A2 which was back to back with module A.
>
>Story - possibly true - that the RAF commissioned an engineering study
>to try to figure out how to improve bomber survivability.
>
>For a month or so, people with charts showing top, side and bottom
>views of the bomber class in particular swarmed all over every plane
>that mad it back, carefully marking the site of every bullet or
>shrapnel hole on the charts with a dot.
>
>Then the Bomber Command brass assembled to hear the recommendations.
>
>"Notice that the damage seems to be most heavily concentrated in these
>areas. We therefore recommend extra armouring in these areas."
>
>Moment of silence, then one officer thoughtfully spoke: "In light of
>the fact that these charts are made from the aircraft that survived,
>perhaps we should consider armouring the areas which are *less*
>heavily dotted..."


experts can be funny. had one come to a customers office to help them
figure out what to do to keep their trucking costs down. they had a
herd of 3 ton trucks and a single 10 ton truck for larger deliveries.
the cost accountant went over the figures for a day or so and his
first recommendation was to get rid of the 10 ton truck because it was
40% more expensive to run per mile. customer had to point out that it
carried nearly 3x the amount of the smaller trucks which made it about
half the cost per ton mile and he said the accountant's face looked
like he'd bit into a serious lemon.
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"Offbreed" <offbreed_106.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Brian McDonald wrote:
>>>
>> man that was a joke
>
> <G> I started laughing at it, then the second thoughts hit.
>
> Third thoughts: Didn't he marry the ditz that came up with "Clippy"?
>
> Any woman who does that is not going to found a multiple generation
> empire.
>
> Thankfully.

The ditz has an IQ of 132 I think but they plan to give most of the money
away. Sounds silly except look at Paris Hilton. Money has pretty much been
a an excuse to wallow in the sewer.
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deowll wrote:
> The ditz has an IQ of 132

So? Take a look at Mensa. I've never seen such a pack of self deluded
fools, they seem to use all that excess IQ to defend stupidity.

>I think but they plan to give most of the money
> away.

Then why the push to take over all the electronics in the world? Why
fund the SCO attack on Novell? Why the attempts to destroy FOSS?
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