None <none.DeleteThis@none.com> wrote:
> You originally wrote:
> "You think Feanor let the likes of Olorin to watch him work?"
> and not as quoted above:
> "Would Feanor have let Gandalf look over his shoulder?"
That's true. I quoted you and you were asking this question and anwered
it yourself. There were only one set of ">" in my post, so I don't think
I implied that I wrote the above.
> The original quote seemed to imply a disparagement of Olorin by Feanor
> [in your mind]'
Well not exactly. Lack of respect would be closer. And I think there
weren't really anybody whom he respected, so Olorin wasn't an exception.
> which is why I rose to the bait and called him an
> "arrogant bastard" which isn't entirely true, he was born of a
> *legitifmate* union.
But you agree he was arrogant?
> The difference between us is that while I agree with the sentiment I
> disagree with the subtext.
> Gandalf would never have sought to "look over Feanors shoulder" visibly
> or invisibly,
Why not? He obviously wanted to see Feanor work.
> while Feanor would simply have worked in solitude as was
> his wont, not for fear of someone copying him, but simply because that
> was his creative mode before his rebellion.
OK agreed. But would you also agree that he was arrogant enough to work
in his own creative mode (meaning in solitude) even if somebody
generally respected (Olorin) asked him not to (asked if he could watch)?
> Thus Gandalf's desire to see his working practices seems to me to be
> merely the fulfilment of the great hunger of the "spirit of inspiration"
> to see the greatest master craftsman of the Noldorin Elves at work.
Yes
> However Gandalf speaks of it as a temptation, as if he knows that even
> such a remote prying might not be acceptable to the Gods.
That I don't agree with. In the first place there is only one God
.
And secondly the most obvious answer is often the correct one, ie. he
was tempted but couldn't use the Palatir because of Sauron.
> None.
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