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Tim

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 2:49 am
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I've been pretty impressed by the responses my other questions have
received, so let me ask another. I don't think there is a definitive answer
to this, but I'm interested to know what you think. There were three
themes in the Music of Ainur. What were they, was each a separate creative
act, or were they each (as I believe) revisions of the previous. Why were
three necessary?

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lostwithiel

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 8:08 am
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"Tim" <tndcass RemoveThis @swbell.net> wrote in message
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> I've been pretty impressed by the responses my other questions have
> received, so let me ask another. I don't think there is a definitive
answer
> to this, but I'm interested to know what you think. There were three
> themes in the Music of Ainur. What were they, was each a separate
creative
> act, or were they each (as I believe) revisions of the previous. Why
were
> three necessary?
>
Well, I would say that the second theme was in some way a revision of the
first:

Silm, p17: "he lifted up his left hand, and a new theme began amid the
storm, like and yet unlike to the former theme"

The third theme seems totally different:

Silm, p 17: "a third theme grew amid the confusion, and it was unlike the
others."

Though, of course, Melkor's tunes that he started creating during the first
theme were utterly unlike the themes influenced by Iluvatur, and clashed
with them.

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Jussi Jaatinen

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2003 11:29 am
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Tim wrote:

> I've been pretty impressed by the responses my other questions have
> received, so let me ask another. I don't think there is a definitive answer
> to this, but I'm interested to know what you think. There were three
> themes in the Music of Ainur. What were they, was each a separate creative
> act, or were they each (as I believe) revisions of the previous. Why were
> three necessary?

I don't think Tolkien was proficient enough in theology to construct a
detailed model that would explain why the number of themes would
optimally be three, and not two or four. (Along the lines of why are
there three neutrinos, and not four) However, I think the conventional
interpretation of the themes is that the first one sets the basic stage
of the "drama", the second theme corresponds to the resistance that the
Valar offer against Melkor's attempts at mastery, and the third theme
introduces the Children of Iluvatar. It may be noted that the Melkor's
aggression isn't ultimately successful in quenching the third theme,
which is probably Tolkien's way of placing an optimistic outlook to the
future of the World.

Since the second and third themes are both sort of reactions Iluvatar
offers to Melkor's theme, it could perhaps be inferred (from here, and
from "Athrabeth") that the function of the Eruhini might be to
ultimately confound the work of Morgoth.

-JJ
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