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Since: Jan 11, 2006 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:26 pm
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| I know they've been around for awhile, but I've just received the 3
volumes of "Supernatural Literature of the World", Joshi &
Dziemianowicz, from Greenwood Press, and all I can say is: WOW!
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Since: Dec 13, 2004 Posts: 63
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:57 pm
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Theo Paijmans wrote:
> I am very curious as to how the tomes are! Are there by any chance
> entries for Ben van Eijsselsteijn, Ernst Willkom, Friedrich Wilhelm
> Mader, Frederic Boutet, Dacquer, Bechstein or Van Bemmelen?
I confess to having mixed feelings about this encyclopedia. It has thus
far provided many enjoyable hours and I am not sorry that I made the
purchase. But there are, I feel, definite shortcomings. Theo's question
highlights one of them. I don't believe there are entries for any of
the writers he mentions. The very title of the set refers to literature
of the *world* and blurbs on various sites note that over 20 countries
are represented within its pages; nevertheless, the overwhelming
emphasis seems to be on authors from English-speaking countries.
Whether that is a good or a bad thing is, I suppose, for the individual
reader to decide. (There also seems to a disproportionate number of
entries for more recent authors.)
I also have misgivings about the organization and nature of the
individual entries. In addition to author entries, there are entries
for individual works and for more general topics (e.g., urban legends,
southern Gothic literature, UFOs, etc.). I would have preferred to see
discussion of individual works lumped into the author entries rather
than treated in isolation, but that's perhaps a quibble. As for the
general articles, while some are indeed quite interesting, I often
found myself thinking them somewhat superfluous -- that is, many of
topics, it seemed to me, cried out for far, far more treatment than
allowable given the space constraints of this encyclopedia. I
personally would have opted to jettison some or all of these general
articles and instead include data on additional, perhaps
less-well-known writers.
It is a vastly unfair comparison since their purposes are different
(more critical-analytical as opposed to checklist), but after looking
over the Joshi-Dziemianowicz encyclopedia, part of me wishes that
someone might one day attempt to expand/update Bleiler's compendium.
But I doubt that will ever happen. (As always, your mileage may vary.)
Yrs,
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Since: Dec 25, 2003 Posts: 71
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:10 pm
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I am very curious as to how the tomes are! Are there by any chance
entries for Ben van Eijsselsteijn, Ernst Willkom, Friedrich Wilhelm
Mader, Frederic Boutet, Dacquer, Bechstein or Van Bemmelen?
Kind regards,
Theo
Joey wrote:
> I know they've been around for awhile, but I've just received the 3
> volumes of "Supernatural Literature of the World", Joshi &
> Dziemianowicz, from Greenwood Press, and all I can say is: WOW!
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Since: Jan 11, 2006 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:22 am
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Theo Paijmans wrote:
> I am very curious as to how the tomes are! Are there by any chance
> entries for Ben van Eijsselsteijn, Ernst Willkom, Friedrich Wilhelm
> Mader, Frederic Boutet, Dacquer, Bechstein or Van Bemmelen?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Theo
Unfortunately not, Theo. The majority of entries cover the English
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Since: Jan 11, 2006 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:50 am
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> I confess to having mixed feelings about this encyclopedia. It has thus
> far provided many enjoyable hours and I am not sorry that I made the
> purchase.
Although expensive, I think worth it.
> But there are, I feel, definite shortcomings. Theo's question
> highlights one of them. I don't believe there are entries for any of
> the writers he mentions. The very title of the set refers to literature
> of the *world* and blurbs on various sites note that over 20 countries
> are represented within its pages; nevertheless, the overwhelming
> emphasis seems to be on authors from English-speaking countries.
> Whether that is a good or a bad thing is, I suppose, for the individual
> reader to decide. (There also seems to a disproportionate number of
> entries for more recent authors.)
I agree - could this perhaps be due to a lack of knowledge or
familiarity with the works and authors outside the "English speaking
block" on the part of the editors / contributors?
I don't know.
> I also have misgivings about the organization and nature of the
> individual entries. In addition to author entries, there are entries
> for individual works and for more general topics (e.g., urban legends,
> southern Gothic literature, UFOs, etc.). I would have preferred to see
> discussion of individual works lumped into the author entries rather
> than treated in isolation, but that's perhaps a quibble. As for the
> general articles, while some are indeed quite interesting, I often
> found myself thinking them somewhat superfluous -- that is, many of
> topics, it seemed to me, cried out for far, far more treatment than
> allowable given the space constraints of this encyclopedia. I
> personally would have opted to jettison some or all of these general
> articles and instead include data on additional, perhaps
> less-well-known writers.
Again, I wouldn't disagree. I think also certain author entries are
questionable - but I guss it would depend on a definition of
"Supernatural"? For example, the inclusion of Ian Banks purely on the
back of the Wasp Factory - Gothic yes, but Supernatural? There are a
number of entries equally surprising by their inclusion.
> It is a vastly unfair comparison since their purposes are different
> (more critical-analytical as opposed to checklist), but after looking
> over the Joshi-Dziemianowicz encyclopedia, part of me wishes that
> someone might one day attempt to expand/update Bleiler's compendium.
> But I doubt that will ever happen. (As always, your mileage may vary.)
>
> Yrs,
>
> Michael
I see this more as a substantial improvement on the old "Penguin
Encyclopedia of Horror and the Supernatural" rather than a replacement
for or update of Bleiler. And despite its shortcomings, a still very
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Since: Mar 23, 2005 Posts: 12
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:55 am
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Since: Jan 04, 2005 Posts: 33
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:21 am
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Since: Dec 08, 2004 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:28 am
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Joey wrote:
> Theo Paijmans wrote:
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> > I am very curious as to how the tomes are! Are there by any chance
> > entries for Ben van Eijsselsteijn, Ernst Willkom, Friedrich Wilhelm
> > Mader, Frederic Boutet, Dacquer, Bechstein or Van Bemmelen?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Theo
>
> Unfortunately not, Theo. The majority of entries cover the English
> speaking world, despite the title.
Coverage of non-Anglophone writers may seem a bit sporadic, but several
of those covered were new to me and received very good essays from
Frenschowski, Stableford, and a few others. As with everything else in
this (or any) Encyclopedia, coverage ranges from competent listings
that make one title seem as good as any other (inside or outside the
author's oeuvre) to more thorough and insightful pieces. Some of the
articles simply lay down the bare facts of who wrote what when, and
others attempt to explore the author's themes and relationship to
his/her milieu.
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Since: Dec 25, 2003 Posts: 71
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:01 pm
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Hi Joey,
nevertheless, thank you verifying that. A pity though but at the same
time I wonder, how many experts in continental (meaning Europe and
Russia) supernatural literature do exist? Perhaps there's actually no
one around, owing to the predominance of American and English
supernatural tales.
Kind regards,
Theo
Joey wrote:
> Theo Paijmans wrote:
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>>I am very curious as to how the tomes are! Are there by any chance
>>entries for Ben van Eijsselsteijn, Ernst Willkom, Friedrich Wilhelm
>>Mader, Frederic Boutet, Dacquer, Bechstein or Van Bemmelen?
>>
>>Kind regards,
>>
>>Theo
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> Unfortunately not, Theo. The majority of entries cover the English
> speaking world, despite the title.
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Since: Jan 27, 2005 Posts: 140
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:01 pm
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:01:21 +0100, Theo Paijmans <th.paijmans RemoveThis @wxs.nl>
wrote:
>Hi Joey,
>
>nevertheless, thank you verifying that. A pity though but at the same
>time I wonder, how many experts in continental (meaning Europe and
>Russia) supernatural literature do exist? Perhaps there's actually no
>one around, owing to the predominance of American and English
>supernatural tales.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Theo
I suspect that between here and Horrabin Hall we could have assembled
enough (maybe six or seven) folk that could have contributed essays.
In a way, if it were my project, I'd have moved the general topics
type of essays to a fourth volume, thus leaving more room for
discussion of individual authors. Still, it improves on the Penguin
considerably and makes a wonderful companion for Bleiler and the St.
James Guide.
Now a bio-bibliographical set covering ALL authors named in Bleiler's
checklist could be fun, but think of how many important writers were
not collected in book form when the checklists were authored...
Cheers,
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Since: Jan 11, 2006 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:28 am
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Theo Paijmans wrote:
> Hi Joey,
>
> nevertheless, thank you verifying that. A pity though but at the same
> time I wonder, how many experts in continental (meaning Europe and
> Russia) supernatural literature do exist? Perhaps there's actually no
> one around, owing to the predominance of American and English
> supernatural tales.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Theo
I think a work covering non-english language supernatural fiction is
long over due. Film, of course, is a different matter - there's a
growing number of specialist titles on various aspects of the cinema eg
McRoy's Japanese Horror Cinema; Fear without frontiers: horror cinema
across the globe etc. But critical coverage of supernatural fiction is
very sparse indeed. >> Stay informed about: My new books |
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Since: Mar 16, 2006 Posts: 16
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:36 am
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John Pelan wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:01:21 +0100, Theo Paijmans <th.paijmans DeleteThis @wxs.nl>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi Joey,
> >
> >nevertheless, thank you verifying that. A pity though but at the same
> >time I wonder, how many experts in continental (meaning Europe and
> >Russia) supernatural literature do exist? Perhaps there's actually no
> >one around, owing to the predominance of American and English
> >supernatural tales.
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >
> >Theo
>
> I suspect that between here and Horrabin Hall we could have assembled
> enough (maybe six or seven) folk that could have contributed essays.
> In a way, if it were my project, I'd have moved the general topics
> type of essays to a fourth volume, thus leaving more room for
> discussion of individual authors. Still, it improves on the Penguin
> considerably and makes a wonderful companion for Bleiler and the St.
> James Guide.
>
> Now a bio-bibliographical set covering ALL authors named in Bleiler's
> checklist could be fun, but think of how many important writers were
> not collected in book form when the checklists were authored...
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
You possess neither the talent nor the knowledge to undertake such a
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Since: Jun 23, 2005 Posts: 31
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:12 am
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Walter Fordyce Golding wrote:
> John Pelan wrote:
>
[...]
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> [...] Horrabin Hall is now practically dead in the water.
>
Don't mistake hibernation for death. Bears don't like that.
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Since: Jan 27, 2005 Posts: 140
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:02 am
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On 16 Mar 2006 04:36:26 -0800, "Walter Fordyce Golding"
<hauntedriver.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>John Pelan wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:01:21 +0100, Theo Paijmans <th.paijmans.RemoveThis@wxs.nl>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Joey,
>> >
>> >nevertheless, thank you verifying that. A pity though but at the same
>> >time I wonder, how many experts in continental (meaning Europe and
>> >Russia) supernatural literature do exist? Perhaps there's actually no
>> >one around, owing to the predominance of American and English
>> >supernatural tales.
>> >
>> >Kind regards,
>> >
>> >Theo
>>
>> I suspect that between here and Horrabin Hall we could have assembled
>> enough (maybe six or seven) folk that could have contributed essays.
>> In a way, if it were my project, I'd have moved the general topics
>> type of essays to a fourth volume, thus leaving more room for
>> discussion of individual authors. Still, it improves on the Penguin
>> considerably and makes a wonderful companion for Bleiler and the St.
>> James Guide.
>>
>> Now a bio-bibliographical set covering ALL authors named in Bleiler's
>> checklist could be fun, but think of how many important writers were
>> not collected in book form when the checklists were authored...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>
>You possess neither the talent nor the knowledge to undertake such a
>task, and Horrabin Hall is now practically dead in the water.
Run along, trollboy. No one is interested in your rantings, just as no
one is interested in buying your stories, or giving you awards...
Cheerio,
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:46 pm
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Theo Paijmans wrote:
> Interesting that you mention it - perhaps because if we look at the
> horror film genre, the most outre and innovative ones came from Europe?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Theo
>
No, Theo, no! America invented everything, and what they didn't invent,
they improved.
Kinema is not about 'The Cabinet Of Dr Caligari' nor 'The Wicker Man',
it is about how America took such weak and inferior ideas and turned
them into acceptable art such as 'Surf Nazis Must Die' and 'I Spit On
Your Grave'. Why, you only have to look the recent adaptation of 'War
Of The Worlds' to realise that unless an original idea is transplanted
to modern day America, it will fail hopelessly.
CB
"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree
with them."
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