camber, alistair cullen, and cinhil...

On 4 Jan 2007 03:49:23 -0800, "jerry" <jjmjr50.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote:

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>On Jan 3, 10:28 pm, "Rebecka Gypsy" <smarell....DeleteThis@eclipsosarmoury.com>
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>> so i'm rereading all of the deryni books...and as i'm reading saint camber,
>> i realize something....what camber did could only have been pulled off
>> during cinhil's reign....
>> if it was any other haldane, what camber did by taking on cullen's form
>> could not have been done...
>> it was odd to realize that the later haldane kings were more
>> aware/paranoid/perceptive enough with the truth reading ability to catch
>> things like that. I'm hoping i'm making sense here... the whole shape
>> change thing could have been busted wide open with one good truth reading
>> session, but cinhil just was not able to bring himself to accept or use his
>> powers that way. it just was not in his nature. like i said it was an odd
>> thought.
>> j
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>Actually I think Cinhil did use his powers somewhat. He comments to
>Camber/Alister Cullen when they are discussing giving his children the
>power that while the powers scared Cinhil he did believe that being
>able to tell when a man was lying was a good thing. So I would think
>that at least on a limited scale he did use them.
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>Problem would be that first he would have to consider that there was
>something wrong with Alister or suspect there was some duplicity and
>then ask the right questions.
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I assume you mean later on in his reign? Because he certainly used
his powers against Imre...

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On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:28:44 -0500, Rebecka Gypsy
<smarellren.TakeThisOut@eclipsosarmoury.com> wrote:

> so i'm rereading all of the deryni books...and as i'm reading saint camber,
> i realize something....what camber did could only have been pulled off
> during cinhil's reign....

Well, it only needed to be.

> if it was any other haldane, what camber did by taking on cullen's form
> could not have been done...

I'm not so certain. It does seem that some of the techniques were lost,
although Stephan Coram managed to impersonate Rhydon of Eastmarch for
many years and that was in spite of being in the Camberian Council.

> it was odd to realize that the later haldane kings were more
> aware/paranoid/perceptive enough with the truth reading ability to catch
> things like that.

Some were, some weren't. Brion was apparently reluctant to use his
powers, probably about as much as Cinhil. And remember that truth
reading beyond a superficial level (and Camber was certainly capable of
screening at that level) not only takes power but is also easily
detected by the victim, and among Deryni it is regarded as very impolite
to do among friends.

> I'm hoping i'm making sense here... the whole shape
> change thing could have been busted wide open with one good truth reading
> session, but cinhil just was not able to bring himself to accept or use his
> powers that way. it just was not in his nature. like i said it was an odd
> thought.

Unless there were some very good reason to suspect Camber there would be
no reason to force the question. Even if he were truth-read for some
other reason he could always separate the part about his identity off and
keep that screened. Even Cullen's closest friends didn't suspect
anything, Jeb just knew that he was being kept out and not trusted the
way he used to be without knowing why.

If someone looks, acts and sounds the way they always have, who ever
thinks of them being an imposter? And remember that Cinhil didn't
really know Cullen before Camber took over, they were still at the stage
of being very wary of each other, so the 'Cullen' Cinhil knew was based
almost completely on Camber's impersonation.

As mentioned above, Coram[1] managed to fool the Camberian Council, who
included very well-trained full Deryni. I suspect that Camber was at
least as good as Coram.

[1] Far too many names beginning with the letter C!

Chris C
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