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kem_tek

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:40 pm
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I am looking at using income tax refund $$ to finance a new
computer. One of them I am looking at has choices of Win XP
Home, Pro, or Media Center, or no OS just formatted HD. Are
there advantages to having the manufacturer's installed
version of WinXP, or would a formatted HD that I put WinXP
on with a store bought disc be better?

I am pretty sure WinXP Media Center is OEM only. Linux is
tempting, but the wife would say "No 'experiments' with OUR
computer". 8 (

And the old computer is going to the daughter.

Maybe a Mac???

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:43 pm
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Aaron wrote:

 > I am looking at using income tax refund $$ to finance a new computer.
 > One of them I am looking at has choices of Win XP Home, Pro, or Media
 > Center, or no OS just formatted HD. Are there advantages to having the
 > manufacturer's installed version of WinXP, or would a formatted HD that
 > I put WinXP on with a store bought disc be better?
 >
 > I am pretty sure WinXP Media Center is OEM only. Linux is tempting, but
 > the wife would say "No 'experiments' with OUR computer". 8 (
 >
 > And the old computer is going to the daughter.
 >
 > Maybe a Mac???
 >

I would opt for WinXP Pro manufacturer's installed. Of course, I just
spent 6-1/2 hours getting Win XP home onto a computer whose drive I
wiped to sell to someone else, so I'm a little biased right now.

SAMK

(Okay, it only took 4-1/2 hours for Win XP. The other two were
setting up the other software and device drivers and a little
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:40 am
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:07:52 GMT, Aaron <kem_tek.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

 >I am looking at using income tax refund $$ to finance a new
 >computer. One of them I am looking at has choices of Win XP
 >Home, Pro, or Media Center, or no OS just formatted HD. Are
 >there advantages to having the manufacturer's installed
 >version of WinXP, or would a formatted HD that I put WinXP
 >on with a store bought disc be better?
 >
 >I am pretty sure WinXP Media Center is OEM only. Linux is
 >tempting, but the wife would say "No 'experiments' with OUR
 >computer". 8 (
 >
 >And the old computer is going to the daughter.
 >
 >Maybe a Mac???

Usually the OEM/preloaded version is significantly cheaper - unless
you have a store around you that will sell the disk for the OEM cost,
and the manufacturer has to supply you with a way to reinstall the OS
at least, so you'll have a disk anyways.


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:40 am
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Aaron <kem_tek.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> writes:

 >I am looking at using income tax refund $$ to finance a new
 >computer. One of them I am looking at has choices of Win XP
 >Home, Pro, or Media Center, or no OS just formatted HD. Are
 >there advantages to having the manufacturer's installed
 >version of WinXP, or would a formatted HD that I put WinXP
 >on with a store bought disc be better?

 >I am pretty sure WinXP Media Center is OEM only. Linux is
 >tempting, but the wife would say "No 'experiments' with OUR
 >computer". 8 (

 >And the old computer is going to the daughter.

 >Maybe a Mac???

Depends on what you want to do with the computer. Seriously.

If all you want it for is basic email and maybe some artistic type
tasks (video or music editing/compilation) a lot of people will
recommend a Mac. Downside is that the Mac is proprietary (read:
costs more), but it has some claim (although I don't give it as
much claim as do the True Macintosh Fanatics) to having a much
more intuitive interface. And while it's not immune from malware,
few virus writers are producing virus-laden programs for MacOS.

But...in a reversal from the environment a decade ago, most new software
(including games) is now appearing first on Windows platforms, and
often are never ported to the Mac. If you need application compatibility
with what you use at the office, and the office uses Windows, you
probably need to buy a Windows system. Similarly, if you will be
connecting to your office network (especially but not only if you
are doing so using a Virtual Private Network (VPN) connection,
you may have problems using a Mac.

I don't know what the current sales figures are, but in my own shop
(*very* heavy with tech-savvy engineers), in the early 1990s we
were about 60%+ Macintosh...but now the percentage is perhaps 4%.
(I'm certainly no fan of Micro$oft, but neither am I one of the
"Macintosh does everything right" crew.)

On the Windows flavor option: I've never used Windows Media Center,
so I can't directly comment on it. I have seen some notes that Microsoft
no longer requires vendors selling it to include a tuner with the
bundled hardware, so reportedly its price (assuming that you don't
want a tuner) isn't unreasonable.

As for XP Professional vs. Home: for *MOST* users running XP on a
personal machine, there isn't any need for the features that Professional
provides that are not in the Home version. In Home, for example, you
don't get the encryption feature (which has some extremely poorly-conceived
characteristics -- and that's a professional opinion), and you don't have
the ability to be joined to a Microsoft domain. (I run Profexxional on
all of the XP machines at my house...but I'm also running a domain
controller. I use the setup to try out some ideas for problems I work
on at the office, when I think of them at night.)

If you're buying a brand-name computer (and from experience I would
recommend Dell as the most user-friendly manufacturer) it's generally
cheaper to get the OEM distributions of Microsoft software (especially
Windows itself and the office-automation products such as Office or
Works) than it is to try to buy them on your own. The downside is that
when you buy OEM software this way it's legally tied to the computer
with which you bought it: it cannot be moved to a later system even
if you scrap the original computer.

As for Linux: it has a lot of advantages (and I run it on several
systems, inlcuding the one on which I'm typing this message). Despite
its many advantages, Linux in the raw is not particularly user-friendly;
one description of the entire UNIX family from a few years ago was
that it's "the Adventure game of operating systems." However, with
a bit of planning it's possible to have both Linux and Windows coexist
quite peacefully on the same system (again, this machine is an example).
If you're not comfortable with working at a rather low level in an
operating system, I wouldn't recommend using Linux on a computer
where you don't want to risk losing everything on the hard disk.

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kem_tek

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:40 pm
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 > Depends on what you want to do with the computer. Seriously.
 >
 > On the Windows flavor option: I've never used Windows Media Center,
 > so I can't directly comment on it. I have seen some notes that Microsoft
 > no longer requires vendors selling it to include a tuner with the
 > bundled hardware, so reportedly its price (assuming that you don't
 > want a tuner) isn't unreasonable.

From a local computer shop brochure:

"Windows XP Media Center Edition transforms your home PC
into an easy-to-use integrated digital entertainment center,
to enjoy when and how you want. Media Center Edition
includes the same advanced features as XP Professional."

Read that *however* you want.

 > As for XP Professional vs. Home: for *MOST* users running XP on a
 > personal machine, there isn't any need for the features that Professional
 > provides that are not in the Home version. In Home, for example, you
 > don't get the encryption feature (which has some extremely poorly-conceived
 > characteristics -- and that's a professional opinion), and you don't have
 > the ability to be joined to a Microsoft domain. (I run Profexxional on
 > all of the XP machines at my house...but I'm also running a domain
 > controller. I use the setup to try out some ideas for problems I work
 > on at the office, when I think of them at night.)

One BIG question on the difference between Home & Pro
flavors: Does the Home version have the security of
requiring "Admin account priveleges" to install programs?

I am thinking 'not' due to this:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/choosing2.mspx" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/choosing2.mspx</a>
specifically the "Access Control – restrict access to
selected files, applications, and other resources" section
being a "Feature not included".

 > Joe Morris


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I'm glad my Mom named me Aaron,
That's what everybody calls me.

Hemidemisemideity of Anonymous Eponymity
Patron Saint of Hair Color Changing
Currently: Hydrience 3RR, but bright,
  Like Cordelia's on the cover
  of 'Cordelia's Honor'.
Holder of a provisional pedant licens/ce
(limited to the area of physical sciens/ce)
Member of ABMLNCSC - Base singer, very base
"Mommy, make daddy stop singing".

I dye my hair so much my driver's license
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:40 pm
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Aaron wrote:
  >> Depends on what yov want to do with the compvter. Seriovsly.
  >>
  >> On the Windows flavor option: I've never vsed Windows Media Center,
  >> so I can't directly comment on it. I have seen some notes that Microsoft
  >> no longer reqvires vendors selling it to inclvde a tvner with the
  >> bvndled hardware, so reportedly its price (assvming that yov don't
  >> want a tvner) isn't vnreasonable.
 >
 >
 > From a local compvter shop brochvre:
 >
 > "Windows XP Media Center Edition transforms yovr home PC into an
 > easy-to-vse integrated digital entertainment center, to enjoy when and
 > how yov want. Media Center Edition inclvdes the same advanced featvres
 > as XP Professional."
 >
 > Read that *however* yov want.
 >
  >> As for XP Professional vs. Home: for *MOST* vsers rvnning XP on a
  >> personal machine, there isn't any need for the featvres that Professional
  >> provides that are not in the Home version. In Home, for example, yov
  >> don't get the encryption featvre (which has some extremely
  >> poorly-conceived
  >> characteristics -- and that's a professional opinion), and yov don't have
  >> the ability to be joined to a Microsoft domain. (I rvn Profexxional on
  >> all of the XP machines at my hovse...bvt I'm also rvnning a domain
  >> controller. I vse the setvp to try ovt some ideas for problems I work
  >> on at the office, when I think of them at night.)
 >
 >
 > One BIG qvestion on the difference between Home & Pro flavors: Does the
 > Home version have the secvrity of reqviring "Admin accovnt priveleges"
 > to install programs?
 >
 > I am thinking 'not' dve to this:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobvy/choosing2.mspx</font" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobvy/choosing2.mspx</font</a>>
 > specifically the "Access Control – restrict access to selected files,
 > applications, and other resovrces" section being a "Featvre not inclvded".
 >
  >> Joe Morris

I ordered a Dell 8400 with XP Media Center (P4 3GHz, 512MB
RAM, 80GB HD, No Floppy!!, Sovnd Blaster Avdigy 2 ZS w/o
speakers!). It is not bleeding edge technology, bvt solid
withovt being obsolete 3 months before I ordered it (wait 3
months, then it will be obsolete as BTX motherboards start
coming ovt). Besides, RAM, HD, Video cards are all vpgradable!!

The savings, abovt US$ 500 was the clincher. The biggest
add-ons were the vpgrade to 4 year at home service, the
sovnd card, and the Norton secvrity package (which I wovld
have had to bvy anyway).

I jvst have to get $200 into my credit vnion accovnt before
March 10th to cover an avtomatic payment.

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Point Keeper starting 1-4-2005

I'm glad my Mom named me Aaron,
That's what everybody calls me.

Hemidemisemideity of Anonymovs Eponymity
Patron Saint of Hair Color Changing
Cvrrently: Hydrience 3RR, bvt bright,
  Like Cordelia's on the cover
  of 'Cordelia's Honor'.
Holder of a provisional pedant licens/ce
(limited to the area of physical sciens/ce)
Member of ABMLNCSC - Base singer, very base
"Mommy, make daddy stop singing".

I dye my hair so mvch my driver's license
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:40 am
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"Aaron" <kem_tek RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6HRSd.29441$ya6.6302@trndny01...
  >> Depends on what you want to do with the computer. Seriously.
  >>
  >> On the Windows flavor option: I've never used Windows Media Center,
  >> so I can't directly comment on it. I have seen some notes that Microsoft
  >> no longer requires vendors selling it to include a tuner with the
  >> bundled hardware, so reportedly its price (assuming that you don't
  >> want a tuner) isn't unreasonable.
 >
 > From a local computer shop brochure:
 >
 > "Windows XP Media Center Edition transforms your home PC into an
 > easy-to-use integrated digital entertainment center, to enjoy when and how
 > you want. Media Center Edition includes the same advanced features as XP
 > Professional."
 >
 > Read that *however* you want.
 >
  >> As for XP Professional vs. Home: for *MOST* users running XP on a
  >> personal machine, there isn't any need for the features that Professional
  >> provides that are not in the Home version. In Home, for example, you
  >> don't get the encryption feature (which has some extremely
  >> poorly-conceived
  >> characteristics -- and that's a professional opinion), and you don't have
  >> the ability to be joined to a Microsoft domain. (I run Profexxional on
  >> all of the XP machines at my house...but I'm also running a domain
  >> controller. I use the setup to try out some ideas for problems I work
  >> on at the office, when I think of them at night.)
 >
 > One BIG question on the difference between Home & Pro flavors: Does the
 > Home version have the security of requiring "Admin account priveleges" to
 > install programs?
 >
depends on how you set up user accounts...if you tell it that you are the
owner/admin when the box is 1st turned on you can tell it that everybody
else can just fly a kite when it comes to installing new software. as
regards your win98 Q , not sure but think you can find out from the device
manager
rex
 > I am thinking 'not' due to this:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/choosing2.mspx</font" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/choosing2.mspx</font</a>>
 > specifically the "Access Control – restrict access to selected files,
 > applications, and other resources" section being a "Feature not included".
 >
  >> Joe Morris
 >
 >
 > --
 > Point Keeper starting 1-4-2005
 >
 > I'm glad my Mom named me Aaron,
 > That's what everybody calls me.
 >
 > Hemidemisemideity of Anonymous Eponymity
 > Patron Saint of Hair Color Changing
 > Currently: Hydrience 3RR, but bright,
 > Like Cordelia's on the cover
 > of 'Cordelia's Honor'.
 > Holder of a provisional pedant licens/ce
 > (limited to the area of physical sciens/ce)
 > Member of ABMLNCSC - Base singer, very base
 > "Mommy, make daddy stop singing".
 >
 > I dye my hair so much my driver's license
 > has a color wheel. Nancy Mura<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:03 am
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Rex Reynolds wrote:

Don't have orig post but...

 > regards your win98 Q , not sure but think you can find out from the device
 > manager

Its been awhile but I believe you can right click your 'My Computer'
icon, go to Properties and on the first tab (General?) it should list
the OS.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:57 pm
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Aaron <kem_tek DeleteThis @hotmail.com> writes:

 >One BIG question on the difference between Home & Pro
 >flavors: Does the Home version have the security of
 >requiring "Admin account priveleges" to install programs?

 >I am thinking 'not' due to this:
 >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/choosing2.mspx
 >specifically the "Access Control – restrict access to
 >selected files, applications, and other resources" section
 >being a "Feature not included".

In Home, you get what amounts to a choice between two levels of security:
overprivileged and the underprivileged. Sadly, it's far too easy
to create overprivileged accounts unless you're careful and know what
steps to take.

As for experience with installing privilege-requiring applications,
I'll have to leave that to others.

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