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Sylvia M

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:50 pm
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Is it 'legal' to use the copyright symbol if you used the US Mail system to
correctly mail yourself your document, thus employing the Poor Man's
Copyright?

Sylvia M.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:11 pm
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In article <12q0rg4ld3i4l21.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
"Sylvia M" <xxxnotxxx.nsmol.TakeThisOut@invalid.com> wrote:

> Is it 'legal' to use the copyright symbol if you used the US Mail system to
> correctly mail yourself your document, thus employing the Poor Man's
> Copyright?
>
> Sylvia M.

The "poor man's" copyright is a fiction and has absolutely no legal
value whatsoever. Don't waste the postage.

Under current copyright law, your creative work is copyrighted as soon
as it is placed into fixed form (e.g. written down -- or typed into a
computer). However, this protection is pretty minimal as you must prove
actual damages to collect from an infringer -- and actual monetary loss
from an infringement can be very difficult to prove.

You may register your copyright with the US Copyright Office for a
modest fee. (Last I checked it was $30 but it may have gone up a few
dollars.) In most cases, you fill out short form TX and mail in two
copies of your work with the requisite fee. In some cases, you may need
to use long form TX -- but the fee is the same.

There are different rules for unpublished works -- but the process is
the same, fill out form, enclose a check and a copy or copies of the
work and that's that.

You can get information from the US Copyright Office web site. (Use
Google or use the links on Pete Masterson's great web site at
http://www.aeonix.com )

So, as far as the "legal" use of the copyright symbol, you can use it on
anything that you write. Simply state: "Copyright (c) 2007 by Your
Name." (Use the circle-c symbol instead of (c).)

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:17 pm
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In article <u_idndwNNJR_7z3YnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d DeleteThis @comcast.com>,
Stella Abzug <abzug DeleteThis @soda.pop.com> wrote:

> In article <12q0rg4ld3i4l21 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com>,
> "Sylvia M" <xxxnotxxx.nsmol DeleteThis @invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > Is it 'legal' to use the copyright symbol if you used the US Mail system to
> > correctly mail yourself your document, thus employing the Poor Man's
> > Copyright?
> >
> > Sylvia M.
>
> The "poor man's" copyright is a fiction and has absolutely no legal
> value whatsoever. Don't waste the postage.
>
> Under current copyright law, your creative work is copyrighted as soon
> as it is placed into fixed form (e.g. written down -- or typed into a
> computer). However, this protection is pretty minimal as you must prove
> actual damages to collect from an infringer -- and actual monetary loss
> from an infringement can be very difficult to prove.
>
> You may register your copyright with the US Copyright Office for a
> modest fee. (Last I checked it was $30 but it may have gone up a few
> dollars.) In most cases, you fill out short form TX and mail in two
> copies of your work with the requisite fee. In some cases, you may need
> to use long form TX -- but the fee is the same.
>
> There are different rules for unpublished works -- but the process is
> the same, fill out form, enclose a check and a copy or copies of the
> work and that's that.
>
> You can get information from the US Copyright Office web site. (Use
> Google or use the links on Pete Masterson's great web site at
> http://www.aeonix.com )
>
> So, as far as the "legal" use of the copyright symbol, you can use it on
> anything that you write. Simply state: "Copyright (c) 2007 by Your
> Name." (Use the circle-c symbol instead of (c).)

Oops... forgot to mention. If your copyright is _registered_ then you
may collect "statutory damages" rather than have to prove actual
monetary damages. Since statutory damages are significant, you can
usually find a lawyer to handle your case for a share of the proceeds.
Not at all the case if you simply file a claim against an infringer
where the copyright wasn't registered.
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Sylvia M

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:46 pm
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Stella Abzug wrote:
> In article <u_idndwNNJR_7z3YnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d.DeleteThis@comcast.com>,
> Stella Abzug <abzug.DeleteThis@soda.pop.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <12q0rg4ld3i4l21.DeleteThis@corp.supernews.com>,
>> "Sylvia M" <xxxnotxxx.nsmol.DeleteThis@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is it 'legal' to use the copyright symbol if you used the US Mail
>>> system to correctly mail yourself your document, thus employing the
>>> Poor Man's Copyright?
>>>
>>> Sylvia M.
>>
>> The "poor man's" copyright is a fiction and has absolutely no legal
>> value whatsoever. Don't waste the postage.
>>
>> Under current copyright law, your creative work is copyrighted as
>> soon as it is placed into fixed form (e.g. written down -- or typed
>> into a computer). However, this protection is pretty minimal as you
>> must prove actual damages to collect from an infringer -- and actual
>> monetary loss from an infringement can be very difficult to prove.
>>
>> You may register your copyright with the US Copyright Office for a
>> modest fee. (Last I checked it was $30 but it may have gone up a few
>> dollars.) In most cases, you fill out short form TX and mail in two
>> copies of your work with the requisite fee. In some cases, you may
>> need to use long form TX -- but the fee is the same.
>>
>> There are different rules for unpublished works -- but the process is
>> the same, fill out form, enclose a check and a copy or copies of the
>> work and that's that.
>>
>> You can get information from the US Copyright Office web site. (Use
>> Google or use the links on Pete Masterson's great web site at
>> http://www.aeonix.com )
>>
>> So, as far as the "legal" use of the copyright symbol, you can use
>> it on anything that you write. Simply state: "Copyright (c) 2007 by
>> Your Name." (Use the circle-c symbol instead of (c).)
>
> Oops... forgot to mention. If your copyright is _registered_ then you
> may collect "statutory damages" rather than have to prove actual
> monetary damages. Since statutory damages are significant, you can
> usually find a lawyer to handle your case for a share of the proceeds.
> Not at all the case if you simply file a claim against an infringer
> where the copyright wasn't registered.

Thank you Stella, you cleared up a lot!

Sylvia M.
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