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telicalbook

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:16 am
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Hi,

I'm going into publishing some books, and I don't want to go wtih the
idea of printing many at one time. Are there any printers out there
that can take a Word formatted text and a similar file for the cover, and
print runs of 25 book for less than $5 each?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:53 am
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In article <20031220201634.29446.00000763.RemoveThis@mb-m02.aol.com>,
telicalbook.RemoveThis@aol.comnojunk (Telicalbook) wrote:

 > Hi,
 >
 > I'm going into publishing some books, and I don't want to go wtih the
 > idea of printing many at one time. Are there any printers out there
 > that can take a Word formatted text and a similar file for the cover, and
 > print runs of 25 book for less than $5 each?
 > --
 > Robert Pearson
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.rspearson.com/</font" target="_blank">http://www.rspearson.com/</font</a>>
<font color=purple> > ParaMind Brainstorming Software <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.paramind.net</font" target="_blank">http://www.paramind.net</font</a>>
<font color=purple> > R.S. Pearson Music Page <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.rspearson.com/rsmusic.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.rspearson.com/rsmusic.html</font</a>>
 >
 >
 >
 >

Word is a poor choice of a program for laying out (typesetting) a book
and you will have difficulty finding printers willing to work with Word
files. However, if you can convert the word file to an Acrobat PDF file,
then many printers will have no problem with it.

Acrobat distiller, from Adobe, comes with the full Acrobat program and
costs around $300. You might be able to use Jaws PDF Creator which
claims to be a "full featured" PDF distilation program. It's available
for $79. (I can't recall the Jaws web site, but search at Google for
Jaws PDF Creator and it'll pop right up.)

The cover is going to be a problem. It's unlikely that you'll be able to
properly lay it out for the printer. A cover needs to be one sheet
including the front, back and spine. (The layout will have the front to
the right, the spine in the middle (oriented properly) and the back to
the left.) The spine measurement is adjusted once you have selected your
printer and you confirm the thickness of the paper to be used. For
planning purposes, figure 60# paper at 400 pages per inch and 50# paper
at 500 pages per inch. You'll be close and only have a relatively small
adjustment to make to the artwork.

You will need an appropriate program to lay it out... While "real" page
layout programs (Quark Xpress, Adobe InDesign, Adobe PageMaker, Adobe
Framemaker) are most desirable, you might be able to do it with Adobe
Illustrator, Macromedia Freehand, Deneba Canvas or a similar drawing
program. (Microsoft Publisher doesn't "do" CMYK color very well, so it's
best avoided, althoug if you are printing a simple, one-color cover with
black ink, it would do.)

There is an ancient page layout program (one of the first ones) that has
more or less disappeared, but Ready, Set, Go is available for roughly
$100 to $150 depending on the platform/version. (Google Ready Set Go to
find out more.)

As for a good ultra-short-run book printer, I can suggest
Fidlar-Doubleday. You can check out a great list of book printers at
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.aeonix.com" target="_blank">http://www.aeonix.com</a> -- follow the link to "list of book printers".
Those who do digital printing (in quantities as few as 25) are flagged
with "POD" on the list.

While there, you might check out the article that explains exactly why
Word is a poor choice for self-publishing.

You probably ought to read a couple of books on self publishing (to save
yourself some agrivation and to avoid wasting money). Look for Dan
Poynter's The Self Publishing Manual (13th Ed. is current). Dan is a
"guru" of self-publishing. Also, the other pioneers are Tom and Marilyn
Ross -- their book (4th Ed) is The Complete Guide to Self Publishing.
Both are available at Amazon.com and have been offered there with a 20%
discount. They are likely available at your local library as well.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 6:30 am
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On 21 Dec 2003 01:16:34 GMT, telicalbook.TakeThisOut@aol.comnojunk (Telicalbook)
wrote:

 >Hi,
 >
 >I'm going into publishing some books, and I don't want to go wtih the
 >idea of printing many at one time. Are there any printers out there
 >that can take a Word formatted text and a similar file for the cover, and
 >print runs of 25 book for less than $5 each?

In quantities that small, you might look at lulu.com. I don't think
they'd be economical for larger quantities. Or cafepress or someone.
Dunno if they can do it for under $5 each, but at least lulu's setup is
free, or used to be.

R.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:57 pm
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On 21 Dec 2003 01:16:34 GMT in article <20031220201634.29446.00000763
@mb-m02.aol.com>, telicalbook.TakeThisOut@aol.comnojunk spoke thusly...
 > Hi,
 >
 > I'm going into publishing some books, and I don't want to go wtih the
 > idea of printing many at one time. Are there any printers out there
 > that can take a Word formatted text and a similar file for the cover, and
 > print runs of 25 book for less than $5 each?

Try Kinko's or Office Max, or an office store that offers perfect
binding.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:57 pm
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  >> print runs of 25 book for less than $5 each?
 >
 > Try Kinko's or Office Max, or an office store that offers perfect
 > binding.
 >

I've always found the retail outlets to be rather expensive and the results to
be not so great.

There are a ton of loosely termed "POD" printers out there. These are
"Docutech" shops that have a small binding machine (or will outsource the
binding.) Geography is not a problem, especially for shipping a small qty of
books.

We use and like Alexander's Digital somewhere in Utah. ( <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.alexanders.com" target="_blank">www.alexanders.com</a> )
Usual disclaimers apply, YMMV.

Al Canton, Adams-Blake Company, Inc.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 7:18 am
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In article <buh5ts$h6l5i$1@ID-185685.news.uni-berlin.de>,
A man <uce DeleteThis @ftc.gov> wrote:

 > On 21 Dec 2003 01:16:34 GMT in article <20031220201634.29446.00000763
 > @mb-m02.aol.com>, telicalbook DeleteThis @aol.comnojunk spoke thusly...
  > > Hi,
  > >
  > > I'm going into publishing some books, and I don't want to go wtih the
  > > idea of printing many at one time. Are there any printers out there
  > > that can take a Word formatted text and a similar file for the cover, and
  > > print runs of 25 book for less than $5 each?
 >
 > Try Kinko's or Office Max, or an office store that offers perfect
 > binding.

Try Fidlar-Doubleday. Their minimum order is for 25 books and their
prices are quite competitive... with excellent quality.

They may not be too "keen" on a Word file ... but if you can get it made
into a PDF, that will solve the problem. (It will still be a Word file
and that's generally not all that great.)

The cover should be done in a program like Quark Xpress, PageMaker,
InDesign, Adobe Illustrator, Corel Draw, or Macromedia Freehand (or even
Photoshop). Word does not do CMYK color (and Microsoft Publisher handles
it poorly).

Keep in mind that the printer wants to receive the cover in a single
file with the parts in the right places. (Back to the left, spine, and
front to the right ... page with landscape orientation.) Before you
submit the cover, you need to verify the spine thickness with the
printer so you can adjust the art properly. Again, if you're using an
unusual program, you'll probably need to submit the file as an Acrobat
PDF.

Check out Jaws PDF Creator -- it's only $79 and claims to convert files
to PDF as well as the Adobe product.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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