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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 1:13 am
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From what I've been reading, a publishing house will not invest much to promote
the work of a first time author. So what does a publisher provide? Just some
investment to produce the book, which is not much. So what is the disadvantage
of self-publishing, which gives the author much more freedom? If there's too
much financial risk, why not publish it as an ebook and only do paperbook
through preorder? I'm considering the writers' collective. They look like the
best deal to me. Does anyone has any experience with them?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 9:55 pm
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In article <20031030171300.04463.00000017 RemoveThis @mb-m06.aol.com>,
zzz137 RemoveThis @aol.com.rt (zzz) wrote:

 > From what I've been reading, a publishing house will not invest much to
 > promote
 > the work of a first time author. So what does a publisher provide? Just
 > some
 > investment to produce the book, which is not much. So what is the
 > disadvantage
 > of self-publishing, which gives the author much more freedom? If there's too
 > much financial risk, why not publish it as an ebook and only do paperbook
 > through preorder? I'm considering the writers' collective. They look like
 > the
 > best deal to me. Does anyone has any experience with them?

The large traditional publisher offers distribution. There's zero
question that Ingram, the major wholesaler, will carry the book. The
chains will almost all have a copy or two in their stores. That's worth
something... but the big publishers will also not do much to promote the
book. (You can figure that the PR budget is about 10% of the advance. So
a writer who receives an advance of $5000 (and that's pretty good for a
first time author) will have $500 budgeted for PR for the book. While
the PR cost inside a big publisher isn't charged at the rate of PR folks
outside (about 250 per hour), even so, $500 doesn't buy much publicity
at all. Most first time authors should expect to spend a fair amount of
time and even some money promoting their book if it is to be successful.

The big publishers will get the book into the stores .... but the author
will have to create the demand for the book.

After about 90 days, if the book hasn't "taken off" the big publishers
are likely to pull the title, remainder the unsold stock, and put the
book "out of print."

Actually, this is not that unreasonable for a work of fiction.

Most successful self publishers produce non-fiction works that are
likely to have a long shelf life -- or allow for modest updates from
time to time to keep the book fresh. Because non-fiction books often
generate significant "pull" demand, even Ingram will contact the
publisher to open an account -- even with a single book publisher -- if
the sales justify the interest.

The non fiction work allows the self publisher to build publicity for
the book over a long time period. (With fiction, a "buzz" around the
time of release in necessary to get the book off to enough of a start to
gain additional publicity.) Depending on the topic, a nonfiction work
may readily be sold in non-bookstores e.g. a book on auto repair is sold
in an auto parts store... I bought an obviously self-published book on
electrical repairs that was hanging on a display by the home electrical
parts in a hardware store... These are the kinds of books that have
started the success of many self publishers who have gone on to form
small publishing companies.

If you're doing a work of fiction, then the self-publishing route is
much more difficult --- you won't be able to get the kind of exposure
that a large publisher gets. Ingram won't deal with a one book
publisher, so you'll have to use an alternative distributor (who won't
do much to promote the book, but it will cost you another 10-15% off
list price for the "privilidge" of having a distributor. (The "standard"
discount to the wholesaler (Ingram, Baker & Taylor, and a few others) is
55%, so you end up offering 65 to 70% off list to a distributor.

Don't get me wrong. I am a _strong_ supporter of self-publishing. But
you really have to evaluate your market and understand how you can
efficiently reach that market without the distribution support offered
by a large publisher. For the typical first time fiction author, it's
probably worthwhile to spend a year or two seeking a larger publisher.
Only after you've exhausted that approach (assuming non success) -- and
after you have made a reasonable assessment of your book's market
potential without significant distribution should you pursue the
self-publishing route.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2003 12:40 am
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Thanks for words from an expert.

 >From: Stella Abzug abzug RemoveThis @soda.pop.com
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 >The large traditional publisher offers distribution.
[ ... ]
 >The big publishers will get the book into the stores .... but the author
 >will have to create the demand for the book.
 >
 >After about 90 days, if the book hasn't "taken off" the big publishers
 >are likely to pull the title, remainder the unsold stock, and put the
 >book "out of print."
 >
 >Actually, this is not that unreasonable for a work of fiction.

That sounds pretty bad. So basically publishers offer distribution. But
we are living in, or heading towards, e-time, and e-distribution is cheap.

 >If you're doing a work of fiction, then the self-publishing route is
 >much more difficult --- you won't be able to get the kind of exposure
 >that a large publisher gets.

But isn't it true that a new author is not going to get that kind of
exposure anyway, with a large publisher or not? A large publisher will
send out hundreds of titles, then wait for a few of them to take off and
live on them, try to make a buck, if they are lucky. So what they
provide is captital and infrastructure; a book has to do well by itself.

 >Ingram won't deal with a one book
 >publisher, so you'll have to use an alternative distributor (who won't
 >do much to promote the book, but it will cost you another 10-15% off
 >list price for the "privilidge" of having a distributor. (The "standard"
 >discount to the wholesaler (Ingram, Baker & Taylor, and a few others) is
 >55%, so you end up offering 65 to 70% off list to a distributor.

Again, ebook should be much cheaper. Maybe for the next generation,
if the next generation still reads books.

 >Don't get me wrong. I am a _strong_ supporter of self-publishing. But
 >you really have to evaluate your market and understand how you can
 >efficiently reach that market without the distribution support offered
 >by a large publisher. For the typical first time fiction author, it's
 >probably worthwhile to spend a year or two seeking a larger publisher.

Now, the scenario is to spend a year or two seeking a large publisher,
then if one is lucky and find one, to wait another year or two till the book
comes out, then to wait 90 days, then the book heads towards book-heaven.
Why does anyone want to be an author? Why does any author want to get
published?

 >Only after you've exhausted that approach (assuming non success) -- and
 >after you have made a reasonable assessment of your book's market
 >potential without significant distribution should you pursue the
 >self-publishing route.

At least a self-publisher won't whine. If it doesn't work, fine, one can
simply
move on.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:06 am
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you're asking the right questions. pick up a book on self publishing.
you could produce an E-book yourself. there are some advantages to
printed books. even then, if you are a first time author you may want
to self publish. DON'T use a vanity press. just print them yourself
at a book printer. If you print about 3,000 copies you can get them
done pretty cheap. I suggest Poynter's book on self publishing. good
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On 30 Oct 2003 22:13:00 GMT, zzz137.RemoveThis@aol.com.rt (zzz) wrote:

 >From what I've been reading, a publishing house will not invest much to promote
 >the work of a first time author. So what does a publisher provide? Just some
 >investment to produce the book, which is not much. So what is the disadvantage
 >of self-publishing, which gives the author much more freedom? If there's too
 >much financial risk, why not publish it as an ebook and only do paperbook
 >through preorder? I'm considering the writers' collective. They look like the
 >best deal to me. Does anyone has any experience with them?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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